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What do you believe in?

Darwinian Evolution
477
67%
Young Earth Creationism
39
6%
Old Earth Creationism
25
4%
Intelligent Design
48
7%
Theistic Evolution
88
12%
Other
30
4%
 
Total votes : 707

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Postby Genivaria » Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:08 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:Theistic evolution.

God is real, and evolution is real.

To me, evolution never has seemed irreligious.

Well no evolution doesn't contradict the possibility of a god, merely the possibility of a benevolent god.

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Postby Individuality-ness » Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:08 pm

Dyakovo wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:... you don't have to be an atheist to believe realize creationism is bullocks.

Fixed that for you...

Touche. :lol:
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Postby Gallup » Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:08 pm

Could you atheists be more smug?

That is not an invitation, Div or Thafoo.
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Postby New Panti » Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:08 pm

European Socialist Republic wrote:
Divair wrote:source pls


You need to have faith!

Belief in something does not make it real.

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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:08 pm

European Socialist Republic wrote:
Divair wrote:source pls


You need to have faith!

I have a dragon in my garage.
He's there, trust me - you just need to have faith.
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Postby Zonolia » Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:08 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
Zonolia wrote:Well I'm agnostic and I believe in Evolution...so...

Are you an agnostic theist or an agnostic atheist?

That's the second time someone has asked me that on NSG when I said I was agnostic...

And neither, neither, er, Id say slightly leaning towards theistic...but barely...
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:09 pm

Gallup wrote:Could you atheists be more smug?

That is not an invitation, Div or Thafoo.

Could you whine harder?
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Postby Frisivisia » Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:09 pm

Matta wrote:
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:"That men may know that thou, whose name alone is Jehovah, art the most high over all the earth."

And?


You better not have just looked that up just now. Here is another one that you probably won't know Acts 24:1

Acts 24:1

"Moses rode down Mount Sinai upon his Holy Toboggan and proclaimed, "Sweet Jesus, I am going to crash!", before crashing and making all of the little childrens laugh. He then prayed to God and God smote the childrens."
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Postby European Socialist Republic » Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:09 pm

Gallup wrote:Could you atheists be more smug?


Yes.
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Postby Divair » Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:09 pm

Gallup wrote:Could you atheists be more smug?

That is not an invitation, Div or Thafoo.

Religion is created by the Devil himself.



wait

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Postby Dyakovo » Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:09 pm

European Socialist Republic wrote:
Divair wrote:source pls


You need to have faith!

I don't have faith, ergo god isn't real.
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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:09 pm

Matta wrote:
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:Of course I looked it up, I don't know the entire bloody book off by heart.

Reading the Bible =/= Memorising it.


So that does not mean you read the bible that means you just now looked it up. If you read the bible you would remember important scriptures like that.

Not down to the exact damn verse without a hint of what the subject is.
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:09 pm

Matta wrote:
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Well, yes, there were, because the Earth was geologically active 2,000 years ago, just as it is today.

Crazy, I know.

There are alot more earthquakes today
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/ ... qstats.php
several million earthquakes occur in the world each year. Many go undetected because they hit remote areas or have very small magnitudes. The NEIC now locates about 50 earthquakes each day, or about 20,000 a year.


So because people didn't have seismological equipment in the past, earthquakes didn't happen.

Come on, man.


This is completely false.

Proof?


Livy records a major famine in 5th-century BC Rome.
http://apaclassics.org/images/uploads/d ... ldrete.pdf
http://www.mitosyfraudes.org/Polit/Famines.html
http://biblehub.com/acts/11-28.htm It's mentioned in the New Testament.


So you're trying to tell me that there weren't avaricious, corrupt and hedonistic people in Ancient Rome, despite the fact that Paul regularly criticises much of Roman society for this in the Epistles.

Right.


Much worse today.


What a laughably stupid statement.


Except it's not in perfect harmony with itself.

Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 contradict one another on the order of creation.


Um no. IT said he created it then described how so no that is wrong.


Genesis 1

Day 3: "11 Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so. 12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.

Day 6: "26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”"

Genesis 2

"5 Now no shrub had yet appeared on the earth[a] and no plant had yet sprung up, for the Lord God had not sent rain on the earth and there was no one to work the ground, 6 but streams[b] came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground. 7 Then the Lord God formed a man[c] from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being."

Have you actually read the Bible?

Yes


Obviously not.
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Postby Frisivisia » Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:09 pm

Gallup wrote:Could you atheists be more smug?

That is not an invitation, Div or Thafoo.

*runs over with Prius*
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Postby Genivaria » Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:09 pm

Gallup wrote:Could you atheists be more smug?

That is not an invitation, Div or Thafoo.

Wow, very mature.

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Postby European Socialist Republic » Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:10 pm

Tlaceceyaya wrote:
European Socialist Republic wrote:
You need to have faith!

I have a dragon in my garage.
He's there, trust me - you just need to have faith.


I believe you!
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:10 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
Matta wrote:
You better not have just looked that up just now. Here is another one that you probably won't know Acts 24:1

Acts 24:1

"Moses rode down Mount Sinai upon his Holy Toboggan and proclaimed, "Sweet Jesus, I am going to crash!", before crashing and making all of the little childrens laugh. He then prayed to God and God smote the childrens."

Which is why the Catholic Church has long sought to punish the childrens for mocking their Lord and Saviour, Moses.
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Postby Frisivisia » Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:10 pm

Zonolia wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:Are you an agnostic theist or an agnostic atheist?

That's the second time someone has asked me that on NSG when I said I was agnostic...

And neither, neither, er, Id say slightly leaning towards theistic...but barely...

Theism is stupid.
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Postby Thafoo » Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:10 pm

Gallup wrote:Could you atheists be more smug?

That is not an invitation, Div or Thafoo.

If it wasn't an invitation, then why did you say it?


I'm just saying that in my view, evolution is obvious.

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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:10 pm

Matta wrote:
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:"That men may know that thou, whose name alone is Jehovah, art the most high over all the earth."

And?


You better not have just looked that up just now. Here is another one that you probably won't know Acts 24:1


Why do you have to have memorised the Bible to have read it?
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Postby Gallup » Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:10 pm

Look, why not both? God created evolution. What's wrong with that?
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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:10 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
Matta wrote:
You better not have just looked that up just now. Here is another one that you probably won't know Acts 24:1

Acts 24:1

"Moses rode down Mount Sinai upon his Holy Toboggan and proclaimed, "Sweet Jesus, I am going to crash!", before crashing and making all of the little childrens laugh. He then prayed to God and God smote the childrens."

How did you get hold of the uncensored version?
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Postby Frisivisia » Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:10 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:Acts 24:1

"Moses rode down Mount Sinai upon his Holy Toboggan and proclaimed, "Sweet Jesus, I am going to crash!", before crashing and making all of the little childrens laugh. He then prayed to God and God smote the childrens."

Which is why the Catholic Church has long sought to punish the childrens for mocking their Lord and Saviour, Moses.

And punish the children they did.
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:10 pm

Gallup wrote:Could you atheists be more smug?


My apologies for being correct.
Don't be deceived when our Revolution has finally been stamped out and they tell you things are better now even if there's no poverty to see, because the poverty's been hidden...even if you ever got more wages and could afford to buy more of these new and useless goods which these new industries foist on you, and even if it seems to you that "you never had so much" - that is only the slogan of those who have much more than you.

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Postby Divair » Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:11 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Gallup wrote:Could you atheists be more smug?

That is not an invitation, Div or Thafoo.

Wow, very mature.

All atheists are supamature.


What? He asked if we could be more smug.

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