[Abortion Thread] (YET ANOTHER POLL!) Taking measure.

[Godular]

EDITED TO ADD: YET ANOTHER POLL!

IMPORTANT MESSAGE REGARDING NEW POLL: In light of the previous poll, and in keeping with a suggestion that I thought was pretty spiffy, I'm making this most recent questionnaire focus on specific measures that one might consider in order to reduce abortion numbers. Poll-takers can choose up to six options, so that those who might support a ban of some form can also express support for some of the other options.[/b]

CHANGELOG: Altered the double standard option to be more general.
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Oh yeah... previous threads for reading displeasure:

https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=415543 - If you had the power...
https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=388685 - pro choice or pro life / five points review

RESULTS OF THIRD POLL

HONEY: Encourage women to keep the pregnancy with incentives (specify if ya want) -- 120 votes, 22%
VINEGAR: Discourage women from getting an abortion by whatever means (specify if ya want) -- 73 votes, 13%
BOTH: Incentives AND Inquisitions! (For those who have to be complicated) -- 104 votes, 19%
NEITHER: I dun' see nuffin' wrong with how it is now. (And there's nothing wrong with that... I think) -- 164 votes, 30%
SHUT UP: No, YOU shut up. -- 85 votes, 16%

RESULTS OF SECOND POLL (Only including options 1-4, so the percentages will look odd):

In a conflict of rights between a woman and a zygote/fetus/etc, who do you side with?

The Woman (Pro-Choice): 359 (37%)
The Unborn (Pro-Life): 322 (33%)
HEY! What About The Man? (I dun’ like double standards!): 90 (9%)
I Wish There Wasn’t A Conflict At All (fix other stuff first, then we can talk): 100 (10%)

[Genivaria]

Something that always bugs me is that too often the same people who are 'pro-life' also support measures that would actually reduce teen pregnancy rates and abortion.

[Geneviev]

And now, let the insanity begin.

Abortion is really only justifiable if the mother's life or the child's life are in danger, but the government should not ban abortion because that won't fix the problem.

[Auze]

New thread smell. I've learned from last time, and this I propose that we cover the surfaces with flame resistant foil.

[The South Falls]

And now, let the insanity begin.

Abortion is really only justifiable if the mother's life or the child's life are in danger, but the government should not ban abortion because that won't fix the problem.

So you're morally against it, but legally for it?

I'm in it full-access.

[Geneviev]

And now, let the insanity begin.

Abortion is really only justifiable if the mother's life or the child's life are in danger, but the government should not ban abortion because that won't fix the problem.

So you're morally against it, but legally for it?

I'm in it full-access.

Yeah, pretty much.

[Telconi]

Only permitted in such a situation ad to cause a net preservation of life. Er go, when termination causes a higher number of living people than attempting to carry the pregnancy.

[Sovaal]

I'm still pretty shaky on this subject tbh, tho if I had to pick whenever the fetus can survive outside of the mother, or just a few weeks before so.

[Baalkistann]

To me abortion is only justified in rape or when the mothers life is in danger. The whole “women have the right to do what they want with their bodies” doesn’t make any sense to me

[Genivaria]

To me abortion is only justified in rape or when the mothers life is in danger. The whole “women have the right to do what they want with their bodies” doesn’t make any sense to me

How does it not make sense?
Do men not have that right?

[Neutraligon]

To me abortion is only justified in rape or when the mothers life is in danger. The whole “women have the right to do what they want with their bodies” doesn’t make any sense to me

So long as I can take your organs and enslave you in turn.

[Telconi]

To me abortion is only justified in rape or when the mothers life is in danger. The whole “women have the right to do what they want with their bodies” doesn’t make any sense to me

So long as I can take your organs and enslave you in turn.

Or not.

[Sovaal]

To me abortion is only justified in rape or when the mothers life is in danger. The whole “women have the right to do what they want with their bodies” doesn’t make any sense to me

So long as I can take your organs and enslave you in turn.

I call the gall bladder!

[Baalkistann]

To me abortion is only justified in rape or when the mothers life is in danger. The whole “women have the right to do what they want with their bodies” doesn’t make any sense to me

So long as I can take your organs and enslave you in turn.

You can do whatever you want with my organs when I’m dead just like they do with the kids they abort

[New haven america]

To me abortion is only justified in rape or when the mothers life is in danger. The whole “women have the right to do what they want with their bodies” doesn’t make any sense to me

What century do you live in?

[The Anglo-American Commonwealth]

Full access, of course.

The whole “women have the right to do what they want with their bodies” doesn’t make any sense to me

Why?

[Dogmeat]

And now, let the insanity begin.

Abortion is really only justifiable if the mother's life or the child's life are in danger, but the government should not ban abortion because that won't fix the problem.

Very well. The mothers life is always in danger. Pregnancy carries with it an increased risk of ischemic stroke and intracerebral hemorrhage. Among many other potentially fatal complications, and lifelong deterioration of health.

[Hakons]

To me abortion is only justified in rape or when the mothers life is in danger. The whole “women have the right to do what they want with their bodies” doesn’t make any sense to me

So long as I can take your organs and enslave you in turn.

>Pretending a fetus is like an organ

[Dogmeat]

So long as I can take your organs and enslave you in turn.

>Pretending a fetus is like an organ

Did they really though?

[Geneviev]

To me abortion is only justified in rape or when the mothers life is in danger. The whole “women have the right to do what they want with their bodies” doesn’t make any sense to me

What century do you live in?

The 21st, last I checked. And you must be in another century.

[Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft]

Given that multiple scientific studies suggest that a fetus becomes conscious at 24-30 weeks, I'd set the limit of abortions at 24 weeks (which is also the limit of viability, so countries such as the United States and the UK can leave the limit where it is) - the vast majority of abortions (especially elective abortions) happen before 12 weeks, let alone 24, though.

[Senkaku]

The whole “women have the right to do what they want with their bodies” doesn’t make any sense to me

Does "men have the right to do what they want with their bodies" make sense as a proposition?

[The South Falls]

The whole “women have the right to do what they want with their bodies” doesn’t make any sense to me

Does "men have the right to do what they want with their bodies" make sense as a proposition?

No one has the right to do anything with their bodies. They belong to the state now.

[Katganistan]

I would prefer there also be comprehensive sex ed and access to low-cost/free contraception and or/the stigma is greatly reduced for being forced to use social welfare programs, to greatly reduce unintended pregnancy, but -- generally I am for abortion up until the fetus could reasonably be able to survive outside the womb, barring medical necessity.

[The South Falls]

Let's remember, all, that the Catholic church is against contraception and abortion. It doesn't make sense.