NSG Senate Chamber [NSG Senate] - Version 3

[TaQud]

we more like you) still debating right?

[Free South Califas]

Yep

Here's the thing about the budget and the tax burden.

If you tax the poor less, they can buy more food, clothes, and entertainment products.

If there are workers who aren't paid a living wage, the holders of concentrated wealth should be taxed until we resolve that issue. If there are poor people who haven't voluntarily joined some kind of monastery, that is an emergency. Poverty is linked to higher crime rates and lower health.

Making the State depend on the poor enforces poverty, creating an endless vicious cycle and a permanent underclass.

Vote Nay on the proposed budget. If you want to stimulate the economy, let the poor use their money, or give them some, even. We have to assume that private corporations just hang on to the savings, turning profit wherever they can.

GN's comment that it is fair for the poor to be punitively taxed for ambitious public research projects, really speaks for itself. GN wants the government to help solidify a permanent underclass while making fantastic advancements for profitable enterprises. I guess that's no surprise.

Absolutely no one is being punitively taxed.

I don't take that interpretation from your saying "it is fair to tax the poor". Fairness has nothing to do with it in reality, of course; see above.

Ministry Foundation Act establishes the Ministry of Research and Astronomy, but last I checked, GN had established an illegal ministry and was ignoring the requirement to establish MoRA.

I am Minister of Research and Astronomy chairing Ministry of Research and Astronomy. It is unofficially called ministry of research and something but it is not used in official ministry's documents.

That's not the policy I observed in the government thread, but I'll take your word for it and I'm glad to hear it.

I'm concerned about the possibility that this research may be intended to help private interests to generate profit without any requirement to spend it on stimulating the Aurentine economy or increasing stable employment.

The revenue generated from this will benefit our economy greatly since ministry is intent on retaining shares of revenue generated from its money.

I'm glad to hear that, although I'm still worried that this research could lead to individuals exploiting public knowledge and scientific consensus for potentially obscene profit. Can you tell me anything about how MoRA plans to address this issue? This may be a bit abstract, so if you want to take it to the Lobby, that's fine with me.

[Byzantium Imperial]

I did not know we were the united states. I used britains figures mostly because we were part f the uk untill very recently
Also, while the history is not yet completed, it was agreed on we were INVADED.

No, I think you missed my point. The survival rate of US servicemen is around 1 out of 16. (Rough calculation) Why would Britain's survival rate be so far off?

How the hell ahould i know why, universal healthcare, more women... Your guess is as good as mine in that regard.
However, if you look at my sources, the fact is as of 2007 (so yes, its possible a thid of them dropped dead in the past 6 years) that over 50% of them survived.


While it doesnt actually make sense to me why the uk turned out soo much higher, thats what the evidense shows, and untill someone provides opposing figures relating to british figures, my report remains the official one
(It also provides a good indicator of our population growth as well)


As for the "alternative" figure proposed by someone else with 300,000 to 400,000: provide statistics or numbers. If you just pull numbers out of the air, then i have a counter number: 10 billion.

[Welsh Cowboy]

No, I think you missed my point. The survival rate of US servicemen is around 1 out of 16. (Rough calculation) Why would Britain's survival rate be so far off?

How the hell ahould i know why, universal healthcare, more women... Your guess is as good as mine in that regard.
However, if you look at my sources, the fact is as of 2007 (so yes, its possible a thid of them dropped dead in the past 6 years) that over 50% of them survived.


While it doesnt actually make sense to me why the uk turned out soo much higher, thats what the evidense shows, and untill someone provides opposing figures relating to british figures, my report remains the official one
(It also provides a good indicator of our population growth as well)


As for the "alternative" figure proposed by someone else with 300,000 to 400,000: provide statistics or numbers. If you just pull numbers out of the air, then i have a counter number: 10 billion.

Minister, you must have really misread the WW2 forum. Those are US numbers In 2007, about 3 million WWII veterans were around. With 1,000 dying a day, well, I haven't done the calculations yet.

So no one has British numbers...

[Byzantium Imperial]

How on earth did i miss that... Though to be fair given the the site name its undetstandeable obrtlooking one word


I will continue yhe hunt for british figures
Keep in mind though; the militaty pensions act guarantees a good sized pension, so when it passes a bydget cut may not be wise

[Welsh Cowboy]

How on earth did i miss that... Though to be fair given the the site name its undetstandeable obrtlooking one word


I will continue yhe hunt for british figures
Keep in mind though; the militaty pensions act guarantees a good sized pension, so when it passes a bydget cut may not be wise

The only need for a significant VA budget is if we had to pay for British veterans. We don't know how many there are, nor have we established why we have to pay for British veterans...

So unless we find that we have a lot of British veterans which we are required to pay, I don't see why the ministry needs more than basic upkeep costs... I doubt those come to £500 MILLION.

[The Realm of God]

Put this in any SIMBIDS category you deem fit.

.....

Driving Direction Standardisation Act
Urgency: Medium.
Category. Domestic Development.
Author. PM Jean-Henri Rousseau (PCon)
Cosponsors, Free South Califas (C), Geilinor (LibDem), Battlion (NLP), Great Nepal (CFE), Britanno (PCon)

This Act was written to standardise the direction of transit on all public and private roads in the Commonwealth of Aurentina to provide a safer and more harmonious road system.

1.0 We realise that we do not have a standardised direction and orientation of our road system.

2.0 We mandate that all roads in the Commonwealth of Aurentina shall be oriented so that we drive on the left hand side of the road.

3.0 The government shall reimburse all individuals and businesses that have to change the orientation of their private roads due to this act.

4.0. All automobiles that shall be made in Aurentina for the domestic market or imported into Aurentina for the domestic market after the passing of this Act shall be mandated to configure their products in left hand drive configuration, products made for export are exempt.

The Senate of Aurentina hereby passes the Driving Direction Standardisation Act.

[Maklohi Vai]

Put this in any SIMBIDS category you deem fit.

Authors are mandated by the SIMBEDS act to place their bill in the appropriate category. (I would suggest Domestic Development though.)

[The Realm of God]

Put this in any SIMBIDS category you deem fit.

Authors are mandated by the SIMBEDS act to place their bill in the appropriate category. (I would suggest Domestic Development though.)

done.

[Senate President pro Tempore]

Done, Mr. Prime Minister.

For clarity's sake, here is the omnibus we are currently debating:

Business & Finance
To deal with issues pertinent to the Work, Commerce, and Treasury ministries
CURRENTLY AT DEBATE

---

- Repeal Most of the Commerce Ministry Act
-Fair Business Act
- Military Pensions Act
- Protection from Religious Fraud Act
- Economic Democratisation Act
- Participatory Consumption Systems Act
- Free Education for Innovative Self-Management
- Collective Benefit Option Act
- Public Work Centre Act
- National Tariff
- Reasonable Wage Act
- Food Vendor Act
- Responsible Government Act
- Aurentine Revenue and Spending Plans for 2013

[Pesda]

Done, Mr. Prime Minister.

For clarity's sake, here is the omnibus we are currently debating:

Business & Finance
To deal with issues pertinent to the Work, Commerce, and Treasury ministries
CURRENTLY AT DEBATE

---

- Repeal Most of the Commerce Ministry Act
-Fair Business Act
- Military Pensions Act
- Protection from Religious Fraud Act
- Economic Democratisation Act
- Participatory Consumption Systems Act
- Free Education for Innovative Self-Management
- Collective Benefit Option Act
- Public Work Centre Act
- National Tariff
- Reasonable Wage Act
- Food Vendor Act
- Responsible Government Act
- Aurentine Revenue and Spending Plans for 2013

We're voting on 14 bills at once? Ouch.

[Free South Califas]

We can motion to extend the vote, though.
Edit for clarity: A motion of 10 with the support of PM, Deputy PM or President pro tempore can extend the debating time.

ETA: With a motion of 7 and the support of the President, we can split the omnibus or change it in some other way, too.

[Geilinor]

How on earth did i miss that... Though to be fair given the the site name its undetstandeable obrtlooking one word


I will continue yhe hunt for british figures
Keep in mind though; the militaty pensions act guarantees a good sized pension, so when it passes a bydget cut may not be wise

The only need for a significant VA budget is if we had to pay for British veterans. We don't know how many there are, nor have we established why we have to pay for British veterans...

So unless we find that we have a lot of British veterans which we are required to pay, I don't see why the ministry needs more than basic upkeep costs... I doubt those come to £500 MILLION.

We were a British colony during World War II, so we'd have our own veterans. I doubt it would cost half a billion pounds though.

[Bleckonia]

Put this in any SIMBIDS category you deem fit.

.....

Driving Direction Standardisation Act
Urgency: Medium.
Category. Domestic Development.
Author. PM Jean-Henri Rousseau (PCon)
Cosponsors, Free South Califas (C), Geilinor (LibDem), Battlion (NLP), Great Nepal (CFE), Britanno (PCon)

This Act was written to standardise the direction of transit on all public and private roads in the Commonwealth of Aurentina to provide a safer and more harmonious road system.

1.0 We realise that we do not have a standardised direction and orientation of our road system.

2.0 We mandate that all roads in the Commonwealth of Aurentina shall be oriented so that we drive on the left hand side of the road.

3.0 The government shall reimburse all individuals and businesses that have to change the orientation of their private roads due to this act.

4.0. All automobiles that shall be made in Aurentina for the domestic market or imported into Aurentina for the domestic market after the passing of this Act shall be mandated to configure their products in left hand drive configuration, products made for export are exempt.

The Senate of Aurentina hereby passes the Driving Direction Standardisation Act.

Make it the right side of the road and I'll sponsor.

[Geilinor]

Put this in any SIMBIDS category you deem fit.

.....

Driving Direction Standardisation Act
Urgency: Medium.
Category. Domestic Development.
Author. PM Jean-Henri Rousseau (PCon)
Cosponsors, Free South Califas (C), Geilinor (LibDem), Battlion (NLP), Great Nepal (CFE), Britanno (PCon)

This Act was written to standardise the direction of transit on all public and private roads in the Commonwealth of Aurentina to provide a safer and more harmonious road system.

1.0 We realise that we do not have a standardised direction and orientation of our road system.

2.0 We mandate that all roads in the Commonwealth of Aurentina shall be oriented so that we drive on the left hand side of the road.

3.0 The government shall reimburse all individuals and businesses that have to change the orientation of their private roads due to this act.

4.0. All automobiles that shall be made in Aurentina for the domestic market or imported into Aurentina for the domestic market after the passing of this Act shall be mandated to configure their products in left hand drive configuration, products made for export are exempt.

The Senate of Aurentina hereby passes the Driving Direction Standardisation Act.

Make it the right side of the road and I'll sponsor.

We'd have to switch sides. We just got independence from the UK. Why do we need to switch?

[Beta Test]

Put this in any SIMBIDS category you deem fit.

.....

Driving Direction Standardisation Act
Urgency: Medium.
Category. Domestic Development.
Author. PM Jean-Henri Rousseau (PCon)
Cosponsors, Free South Califas (C), Geilinor (LibDem), Battlion (NLP), Great Nepal (CFE), Britanno (PCon)

This Act was written to standardise the direction of transit on all public and private roads in the Commonwealth of Aurentina to provide a safer and more harmonious road system.

1.0 We realise that we do not have a standardised direction and orientation of our road system.

2.0 We mandate that all roads in the Commonwealth of Aurentina shall be oriented so that we drive on the left hand side of the road.

3.0 The government shall reimburse all individuals and businesses that have to change the orientation of their private roads due to this act.

4.0. All automobiles that shall be made in Aurentina for the domestic market or imported into Aurentina for the domestic market after the passing of this Act shall be mandated to configure their products in left hand drive configuration, products made for export are exempt.

The Senate of Aurentina hereby passes the Driving Direction Standardisation Act.

Make it the right side of the road and I'll sponsor.

Are you insane!? We've been a British colony for god knows how long, and you think we can just switch to the other side of the road?

[Geilinor]

Done, Mr. Prime Minister.

For clarity's sake, here is the omnibus we are currently debating:

We're voting on 14 bills at once? Ouch.

We'll have 72 hours. You can submit a few at a time.

[Bleckonia]

Make it the right side of the road and I'll sponsor.

We'd have to switch sides. We just got independence from the UK. Why do we need to switch?

We JUST got independence? Fine, left side it is. I'll sponsor.

[Pesda]

We can motion to extend the vote, though.
Edit for clarity: A motion of 10 with the support of PM, Deputy PM or President pro tempore can extend the debating time.

ETA: With a motion of 7 and the support of the President, we can split the omnibus or change it in some other way, too.

Very well, I move that we split the omnibus into this;
- Collective Benefit Option Act
- Public Work Centre Act
- National Tariff
- Reasonable Wage Act
- Food Vendor Act
- Responsible Government Act
- Aurentine Revenue and Spending Plans for 2013

and then this

- Repeal Most of the Commerce Ministry Act
-Fair Business Act
- Military Pensions Act
- Protection from Religious Fraud Act
- Economic Democratisation Act
- Participatory Consumption Systems Act
- Free Education for Innovative Self-Management

[Lamaredia]

We can motion to extend the vote, though.
Edit for clarity: A motion of 10 with the support of PM, Deputy PM or President pro tempore can extend the debating time.

ETA: With a motion of 7 and the support of the President, we can split the omnibus or change it in some other way, too.

Very well, I move that we split the omnibus into this;
- Collective Benefit Option Act
- Public Work Centre Act
- National Tariff
- Reasonable Wage Act
- Food Vendor Act
- Responsible Government Act
- Aurentine Revenue and Spending Plans for 2013

and then this

- Repeal Most of the Commerce Ministry Act
-Fair Business Act
- Military Pensions Act
- Protection from Religious Fraud Act
- Economic Democratisation Act
- Participatory Consumption Systems Act
- Free Education for Innovative Self-Management

I second this, but what would the new Omnibuses be called and how would they be organized?

[Geilinor]

Make it the right side of the road and I'll sponsor.

Are you insane!? We've been a British colony for god knows how long, and you think we can just switch to the other side of the road?

We can. Samoa just did it in 2009 and Sweden did it in 1967. Not that hard if we wanted to, but those countries had to do it because their cars were in right-hand drive configuration.

[Maklohi Vai]

We can motion to extend the vote, though.
Edit for clarity: A motion of 10 with the support of PM, Deputy PM or President pro tempore can extend the debating time.

ETA: With a motion of 7 and the support of the President, we can split the omnibus or change it in some other way, too.

Very well, I move that we split the omnibus into this;
- Collective Benefit Option Act
- Public Work Centre Act
- National Tariff
- Reasonable Wage Act
- Food Vendor Act
- Responsible Government Act
- Aurentine Revenue and Spending Plans for 2013

and then this

- Repeal Most of the Commerce Ministry Act
-Fair Business Act
- Military Pensions Act
- Protection from Religious Fraud Act
- Economic Democratisation Act
- Participatory Consumption Systems Act
- Free Education for Innovative Self-Management

You are not allowed to split the category.

[Lamaredia]

Very well, I move that we split the omnibus into this;
- Collective Benefit Option Act
- Public Work Centre Act
- National Tariff
- Reasonable Wage Act
- Food Vendor Act
- Responsible Government Act
- Aurentine Revenue and Spending Plans for 2013

and then this

- Repeal Most of the Commerce Ministry Act
-Fair Business Act
- Military Pensions Act
- Protection from Religious Fraud Act
- Economic Democratisation Act
- Participatory Consumption Systems Act
- Free Education for Innovative Self-Management

You are not allowed to split the category.

Why isn't he? If it's a motion to split the category due to the extreme amounts of bills that are at vote at once, then I don't see any reason for it not being allowed if it's seconded 6 (7?) times!

[Pesda]

Very well, I move that we split the omnibus into this;
- Collective Benefit Option Act
- Public Work Centre Act
- National Tariff
- Reasonable Wage Act
- Food Vendor Act
- Responsible Government Act
- Aurentine Revenue and Spending Plans for 2013

and then this

- Repeal Most of the Commerce Ministry Act
-Fair Business Act
- Military Pensions Act
- Protection from Religious Fraud Act
- Economic Democratisation Act
- Participatory Consumption Systems Act
- Free Education for Innovative Self-Management

You are not allowed to split the category.

We can motion to extend the vote, though.
Edit for clarity: A motion of 10 with the support of PM, Deputy PM or President pro tempore can extend the debating time.

ETA: With a motion of 7 and the support of the President, we can split the omnibus or change it in some other way, too.

If I'm allowed to, I'll try to. If not, then never mind.

[Maklohi Vai]

You are not allowed to split the category.

Why isn't he? If it's a motion to split the category due to the extreme amounts of bills that are at vote at once, then I don't see any reason for it not being allowed if it's seconded 6 (7?) times!

The SIMBEDS Omnibus Procedure Act established seven omnibus categories, and made these categories to be the only way for bills to be voted on. Bills also must be assigned to their relevant category no matter what, so by breaking out of a category you break the system, and therefore the law. If you wish to write a bill amending the SIMBEDS Act, you can do so.