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Postby Byzantium Imperial » Sat Jun 01, 2013 5:47 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Belmaria wrote:I thought it was serious enough already

"Water must be wet"? I don't think we need to legislate that. Do we need to legislate "The sun must be hot"?

Dont be silly. There is no sun in aurentine, thats in space

My constituents are demanding this! I have no choice but to fight for it
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Postby Ujh Uhj » Sat Jun 01, 2013 6:01 pm

Byzantium Imperial wrote:
Geilinor wrote:"Water must be wet"? I don't think we need to legislate that. Do we need to legislate "The sun must be hot"?

Dont be silly. There is no sun in aurentine, thats in space

My constituents are demanding this! I have no choice but to fight for it

You need to stop.

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Postby Belmaria » Sat Jun 01, 2013 6:04 pm

Ujh Uhj wrote:
Byzantium Imperial wrote:Dont be silly. There is no sun in aurentine, thats in space

My constituents are demanding this! I have no choice but to fight for it

You need to stop.

You need to develop a sense of humor :p
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Postby Ujh Uhj » Sat Jun 01, 2013 6:08 pm

Belmaria wrote:
Ujh Uhj wrote:You need to stop.

You need to develop a sense of humor :p

*I* do? I'm not the one who thinks bills about water being wet are funny. You need to grow up.
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Postby Byzantium Imperial » Sat Jun 01, 2013 6:09 pm

Ujh Uhj wrote:
Belmaria wrote:You need to develop a sense of humor :p

*I* do? I'm not the one who thinks bills about water being wet are funny. You need to grow up.

Lighten up good sir, you are clearly a little too irritable at the moment
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The Grumpy Cat wrote:Their very existence... makes me sick.
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Postby New Zepuha » Sat Jun 01, 2013 6:10 pm

Byzantium Imperial wrote:
Ujh Uhj wrote:*I* do? I'm not the one who thinks bills about water being wet are funny. You need to grow up.

Lighten up good sir, you are clearly a little too irritable at the moment

Can you not see the applications of said bill, both real and humorous. Seriously though, this is Forum 7, the joke capital of NS.
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Postby Belmaria » Sat Jun 01, 2013 6:10 pm

Ujh Uhj wrote:
Belmaria wrote:You need to develop a sense of humor :p

*I* do? I'm not the one who thinks bills about water being wet are funny. You need to grow up.

Would you stop complaining and let us have a little fun? Our ideas of fun may differ but that doesn't mean you can force your idea down my throat.
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Postby Yanalia » Sat Jun 01, 2013 6:13 pm

Belmaria wrote:
Ujh Uhj wrote:*I* do? I'm not the one who thinks bills about water being wet are funny. You need to grow up.

Would you stop complaining and let us have a little fun? Our ideas of fun may differ but that doesn't mean you can force your idea down my throat.


It's all fun if you keep it in the Coffee Shop. It gets annoying when you start actually adding it to the queue and forcing us to debate and vote on it.
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Postby Ujh Uhj » Sat Jun 01, 2013 6:16 pm

Belmaria wrote:
Ujh Uhj wrote:*I* do? I'm not the one who thinks bills about water being wet are funny. You need to grow up.

Would you stop complaining and let us have a little fun? Our ideas of fun may differ but that doesn't mean you can force your idea down my throat.

I am forcing nothing down anyone's throat. You guys want to submit unfunny jokes as bills and make us waste time voting on them, and you can hardly decide if that part is serious or not.

This may be forum 7, but the Senate isn't like one of those "Rate the nation above you's flag!" threads. Do you get that?

Sorry if I seem irritable, but this is just stupid. Now, can we do something productive?

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Postby Byzantium Imperial » Sat Jun 01, 2013 6:18 pm

Ujh Uhj wrote:
Belmaria wrote:Would you stop complaining and let us have a little fun? Our ideas of fun may differ but that doesn't mean you can force your idea down my throat.

I am forcing nothing down anyone's throat. You guys want to submit unfunny jokes as bills and make us waste time voting on them, and you can hardly decide if that part is serious or not.

This may be forum 7, but the Senate isn't like one of those "Rate the nation above you's flag!" threads. Do you get that?

Sorry if I seem irritable, but this is just stupid. Now, can we do something productive?

You mean sit quietly while capital punishment is outlawed?
Face it, we dont actually have anything else to do at this time
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The Grumpy Cat wrote:Their very existence... makes me sick.
After a short 600 year rest, the Empire is back, and is better then ever! After our grueling experience since 1453, no longer will our great empire be suppressed. The Ottomans may be gone, but the war continues!
I support Thermonuclear Warfare. Do you?
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Postby Belmaria » Sat Jun 01, 2013 6:19 pm

Byzantium Imperial wrote:
Ujh Uhj wrote:I am forcing nothing down anyone's throat. You guys want to submit unfunny jokes as bills and make us waste time voting on them, and you can hardly decide if that part is serious or not.

This may be forum 7, but the Senate isn't like one of those "Rate the nation above you's flag!" threads. Do you get that?

Sorry if I seem irritable, but this is just stupid. Now, can we do something productive?

You mean sit quietly while capital punishment is outlawed?
Face it, we dont actually have anything else to do at this time

We could talk about my various bills and try to get support for them
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Postby Byzantium Imperial » Sat Jun 01, 2013 6:20 pm

Belmaria wrote:
Byzantium Imperial wrote:You mean sit quietly while capital punishment is outlawed?
Face it, we dont actually have anything else to do at this time

We could talk about my various bills and try to get support for them

If someone brigs something up il be productive
New Pyrrhius wrote:Byzantium, eat a Snickers. You become an imperialistic psychopathic dictatorship when you're hungry.

The Grumpy Cat wrote:Their very existence... makes me sick.
After a short 600 year rest, the Empire is back, and is better then ever! After our grueling experience since 1453, no longer will our great empire be suppressed. The Ottomans may be gone, but the war continues!
I support Thermonuclear Warfare. Do you?
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Postby Ujh Uhj » Sat Jun 01, 2013 6:21 pm

Byzantium Imperial wrote:
Ujh Uhj wrote:I am forcing nothing down anyone's throat. You guys want to submit unfunny jokes as bills and make us waste time voting on them, and you can hardly decide if that part is serious or not.

This may be forum 7, but the Senate isn't like one of those "Rate the nation above you's flag!" threads. Do you get that?

Sorry if I seem irritable, but this is just stupid. Now, can we do something productive?

You mean sit quietly while capital punishment is outlawed?
Face it, we dont actually have anything else to do at this time

No, I mean do something productive. Surely you aren't so dim as to sit around and come up with bad "joke" bills to pass the time? Or am I overestimating your intelligence?

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Postby Byzantium Imperial » Sat Jun 01, 2013 6:21 pm

Ujh Uhj wrote:
Byzantium Imperial wrote:You mean sit quietly while capital punishment is outlawed?
Face it, we dont actually have anything else to do at this time

No, I mean do something productive. Surely you aren't so dim as to sit around and come up with bad "joke" bills to pass the time? Or am I overestimating your intelligence?

Refer to above post
New Pyrrhius wrote:Byzantium, eat a Snickers. You become an imperialistic psychopathic dictatorship when you're hungry.

The Grumpy Cat wrote:Their very existence... makes me sick.
After a short 600 year rest, the Empire is back, and is better then ever! After our grueling experience since 1453, no longer will our great empire be suppressed. The Ottomans may be gone, but the war continues!
I support Thermonuclear Warfare. Do you?
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Postby Belmaria » Sat Jun 01, 2013 6:22 pm

Byzantium Imperial wrote:
Belmaria wrote:We could talk about my various bills and try to get support for them

If someone brigs something up il be productive

Why not visit the Coalition for Economic Responsibility's website:

Coalition for Economic Responsibility

And tell me what you think please
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Postby Byzantium Imperial » Sat Jun 01, 2013 6:23 pm

Belmaria wrote:
Byzantium Imperial wrote:If someone brigs something up il be productive

Why not visit the Coalition for Economic Accountability's website:

Coalition for Economic Responsibility

And tell me what you think please

I already gave my feeback and havent been satisfied. I like the idea of a goldstandard, but i simply dont see a practical means of collecting the bullion. Those alternative meathods proposed in cofee shop (plastic, electronic ext) have merrit, so how fo you feel about usjn those?
New Pyrrhius wrote:Byzantium, eat a Snickers. You become an imperialistic psychopathic dictatorship when you're hungry.

The Grumpy Cat wrote:Their very existence... makes me sick.
After a short 600 year rest, the Empire is back, and is better then ever! After our grueling experience since 1453, no longer will our great empire be suppressed. The Ottomans may be gone, but the war continues!
I support Thermonuclear Warfare. Do you?
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Postby Belmaria » Sat Jun 01, 2013 6:26 pm

Byzantium Imperial wrote:
Belmaria wrote:Why not visit the Coalition for Economic Accountability's website:

Coalition for Economic Responsibility

And tell me what you think please

I already gave my feeback and havent been satisfied. I like the idea of a goldstandard, but i simply dont see a practical means of collecting the bullion. Those alternative meathods proposed in cofee shop (plastic, electronic ext) have merrit, so how fo you feel about usjn those?

I don't like electronic or plastic currency, as it gives too much power to those in control of it. I have already addressed the issue of getting the gold. I have a stash of (what used to be $100 million) now $250 million dollars worth of gold that I would be willing to donate.
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Postby Byzantium Imperial » Sat Jun 01, 2013 6:29 pm

Belmaria wrote:
Byzantium Imperial wrote:I already gave my feeback and havent been satisfied. I like the idea of a goldstandard, but i simply dont see a practical means of collecting the bullion. Those alternative meathods proposed in cofee shop (plastic, electronic ext) have merrit, so how fo you feel about usjn those?

I don't like electronic or plastic currency, as it gives too much power to those in control of it. I have already addressed the issue of getting the gold. I have a stash of (what used to be $100 million) now $250 million dollars worth of gold that I would be willing to donate.

Ok private donations work (il donate my senators personal fortunes tobthe effort)
How much gold do you estimate we will need to create a stable currency aproxmatly ($)?
New Pyrrhius wrote:Byzantium, eat a Snickers. You become an imperialistic psychopathic dictatorship when you're hungry.

The Grumpy Cat wrote:Their very existence... makes me sick.
After a short 600 year rest, the Empire is back, and is better then ever! After our grueling experience since 1453, no longer will our great empire be suppressed. The Ottomans may be gone, but the war continues!
I support Thermonuclear Warfare. Do you?
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Postby NSG Senate Administrators » Sat Jun 01, 2013 6:31 pm

MOVE THE NON-RCPA DEBATE OR QUEUE ADDING ACTIVITIES OUT. NOW.

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Postby Belmaria » Sat Jun 01, 2013 6:32 pm

Byzantium Imperial wrote:
Belmaria wrote:I don't like electronic or plastic currency, as it gives too much power to those in control of it. I have already addressed the issue of getting the gold. I have a stash of (what used to be $100 million) now $250 million dollars worth of gold that I would be willing to donate.

Ok private donations work (il donate my senators personal fortunes tobthe effort)
How much gold do you estimate we will need to create a stable currency aproxmatly ($)?

Depends on how many people we are providing for. It will range in the billions of dollars, but we obviously can't start off with that much. So, we start off with my amount (plus what other people donate) and use a percentage of taxes to pay for expansion of our deposits.
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Postby Belmaria » Sat Jun 01, 2013 6:32 pm

NSG Senate Administrators wrote:
MOVE THE NON-RCPA DEBATE OR QUEUE ADDING ACTIVITIES OUT. NOW.

Sorry
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Postby Grenartia » Sat Jun 01, 2013 10:09 pm

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MOVE THE NON-RCPA DEBATE OR QUEUE ADDING ACTIVITIES OUT. NOW.


I take it we've moved it back to debate? *has not caught up on the threads due to being busy IRL*
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Postby NSG Senate Administrators » Sat Jun 01, 2013 10:32 pm

Grenartia wrote:
NSG Senate Administrators wrote:
MOVE THE NON-RCPA DEBATE OR QUEUE ADDING ACTIVITIES OUT. NOW.


I take it we've moved it back to debate? *has not caught up on the threads due to being busy IRL*

Not on the RCPA, but they were debating on unnecessary measures.

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Postby Polvia » Sun Jun 02, 2013 1:43 am

Per the request of the Administration, Article IV Sections 4 - 6 have been amended to be consistent with the current Senate Administration's policy on punishment. All other parts of the act remain the same.
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Article I – Unacceptable Behavior
    (1) Remarks directed specifically at another Member which question that Member’s integrity, honesty or character are not in order.
    (2) A Member will be requested to withdraw offensive remarks, allegations, or accusations of impropriety directed towards another Member.
    (3) It is unacceptable to question the integrity of impartiality of a Presiding Officer, or the Administrators of the Senate, and if such comments are made, the Administrators shall call for the withdrawal of the statements by the Member. Only with a call to question the impartiality of a specific Presiding Officer, confirmed and approved by five other Senate members via motion, may the impartiality of Presiding Officers, or the Administrators, be called into question.
    (4) The use of offensive, provocative or threatening language in any Senate thread is strictly forbidden.
    (5) Personal attacks, insults and obscenities are not in order.
    (6) A direct charge against a Member may be made only by way of a motion for which is confirmed by five other Senate Members.
    (7) If language used in debate appears questionable to the Administrators, they will intervene. Nonetheless, any Member who feels aggrieved by a remark or allegation may also bring the matter to the immediate attention of the Administrators on a Point of Order.
Article II – Points of Order
    (1) A Point of Order is an intervention by a Member who believes that the rules or customary procedures have been incorrectly applied or overlooked during proceedings. Members may rise on Points of Order to bring to attention of the Administrator any breach of any rule or unacceptable remarks.
    (2) Points of order respecting procedure must be raised promptly and before the remark has passed to a stage at which the objection would be out of place. The time period on which a Point of Order may be raised shall be up to forty-eight hours after the statement in question has been made.
    (3) As a Point of Order concerns the interpretation of the rules of procedure, it is the responsibility of the Administrators to determine its merits and to resolve the issue.
    (4) One Point of Order must be disposed of before another one is raised.
    (5) Any Member can bring to the Administrators’ attention a procedural irregularity the moment it occurs. When recognized on a Point of Order, a Member should only state which Standing Order or practice he or she considers to have been breached; if this is not done, the Administrators may request that the Member do so.
    (6) A brief debate on the Point of Order is possible at the Administrators' discretion.
    (7) A Member may not direct remarks to separate issues or engage in debate by raising a matter under the guise of a Point of Order.
Article III – The Administrators
    (1) The Administrators shall be charged with the moderation of all threads under Senate jurisdiction.
    (2) The Administrators shall have no authority to rule on statements made outside of threads not under the jurisdiction of the Senate by one Member against another.
    (3) The Administrators, and all Presiding Officers, are subject to all subject articles of this act, as are all Members who post on the Senate threads.
    (4) The Administrators have the duty to preserve order and decorum and to decide any matter of procedure that may arise.
    (5) The Administrators are bound to call the attention of a thread, under Senate jurisdiction, to an irregularity in debate or procedure immediately, without waiting for the intervention of a Member.
    (6) When a Point of Order is raise, The Administrators attempt to rule on the matter immediately. However, if necessary, the Administrators may take the matter under advisement and come back to the issue later (within twenty-four hours) with a formal ruling.
    (7) In doubtful cases, the Administrators may also allow discussion on the Point of Order before coming to a decision but the comments must be strictly relevant to the point raised.
    (8) When a decision on a question of order is reached, the Administrators support it with quotations from the Standing Orders or other Senate Policy, or simply by citing the number of the applicable Standing Order(s).
    (9) Once the decision is rendered, the matter is no longer open to debate or discussion and the ruling may not be appealed.
Article IV – Punishment
    (1) Should the Administrators find the utterances of a particular Member offensive or disorderly, that Member will be requested to post on the thread and to withdraw the unacceptable word or phrase unequivocally. The Member’s apology is accepted in good faith and the matter is then considered closed.
    (2) However, if the Member persists in refusing to obey the directive of the Administrators to retract his or her words, the Administrators may then take action in punishment of the Member in question.
    (3) The Member who has refused to withdraw their statements shall be warned of the punishment that will be given should they not withdraw their statements in their next immediate post on the Senate thread in question.
    (4) The punishment that is enforced by the Administrators shall be the equivalent to the raising of the Member's disciplinary level by one, under the current punishment policy of the Administration of the NSG Senate.
    (5) The punishments enforced, in accordance with this Act, shall liable to change with the changing of punishments enforced by the Administrators, and shall be reapplied by the Administration to proper equivalents in punishment at the passage of this act, at the Administrators' discretion.
    (6) The contents of this act that are separate from the punishments shall remain constant despite any changes in the punishment by the Administrators unless the Act is otherwise amended.
Article V – Definitions
    (1) Standing Order – the rules and procedures governing the Senate
    (2) Member(s) – any NationStates account
    (3) Senate threads – any thread under the jurisdiction of the Senate
    (4) Presiding Officer - Any official of the NSG Senate Administration
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