NSG Senate Chamber [NSG Senate]

[Kouralia]

Sadly there will always be those unwilling to do so. I do support using volunteers as far as possible but in dire times drastic action must be taken.

When we are forced to force people to take up arms to defend their homes, something has gone badly wrong and we have lost everything we stand for.

I rly think you're talking out of your arse here, Senator.

[Britcan]

Sadly there will always be those unwilling to do so. I do support using volunteers as far as possible but in dire times drastic action must be taken.

When we are forced to force people to take up arms to defend their homes, something has gone badly wrong and we have lost everything we stand for.

It seems we stand for different things. For me the survival of the nation is of paramount concern. If conscription is required for this nation to survive then that is a sacrifice we must make.

[Great Nepal]

When we are forced to force people to take up arms to defend their homes, something has gone badly wrong and we have lost everything we stand for.

It seems we stand for different things. For me the survival of the nation is of paramount concern. If conscription is required for this nation to survive then that is a sacrifice we must make.

I would rather let the nation die rather than force people to take arms against their will.

[Kouralia]

It seems we stand for different things. For me the survival of the nation is of paramount concern. If conscription is required for this nation to survive then that is a sacrifice we must make.

I would rather let the nation die rather than force people to take arms against their will.

And therein lies the problem.

[Britcan]

It seems we stand for different things. For me the survival of the nation is of paramount concern. If conscription is required for this nation to survive then that is a sacrifice we must make.

I would rather let the nation die rather than force people to take arms against their will.

Conscription is not the same as taking arms. If people are pacifists then they will not be required to fight.

[Great Nepal]

I would rather let the nation die rather than force people to take arms against their will.

Conscription is not the same as taking arms. If people are pacifists then they will not be required to fight.

Fine, I would rather let the nation die rather than force people into servitude to the state against their will.

[Britcan]

Conscription is not the same as taking arms. If people are pacifists then they will not be required to fight.

Fine, I would rather let the nation die rather than force people into servitude to the state against their will.

That is where the disagreement comes.

[Atherille]

There is another option. 2 year compulsory national service for all citizens upon their completion of secondary schools. They can have the choice between military service or public service, the latter consisting of jobs such as construction, clerical, or social work. The national service would include vocational training, so those citizens not desiring attending university after fulfilling their service term will have vocational skills.

[Great Nepal]

Fine, I would rather let the nation die rather than force people into servitude to the state against their will.

That is where the disagreement comes.

I agree here, I believe state exists to serve the people not the other way round.

[Fulflood]

There is another option. 2 year compulsory national service for all citizens upon their completion of secondary schools. They can have the choice between military service or public service, the latter consisting of jobs such as construction, clerical, or social work. The national service would include vocational training, so those citizens not desiring attending university after fulfilling their service term will have vocational skills.

We're discussing the possibility of conscription only in extreme circumstances, not any form of compulsory peacetime military service, which I wouldn't support anyway.

[Britcan]

There is another option. 2 year compulsory national service for all citizens upon their completion of secondary schools. They can have the choice between military service or public service, the latter consisting of jobs such as construction, clerical, or social work. The national service would include vocational training, so those citizens not desiring attending university after fulfilling their service term will have vocational skills.

No. Conscription should only be permitted under extreme circumstances.

[Great Nepal]

There is another option. 2 year compulsory national service for all citizens upon their completion of secondary schools. They can have the choice between military service or public service, the latter consisting of jobs such as construction, clerical, or social work. The national service would include vocational training, so those citizens not desiring attending university after fulfilling their service term will have vocational skills.

We are debating if conscription should be legal at all, I think your suggestion to force citizens into servitude to the state wont be accepted here.

[Soviet Canuckistan]

There is another option. 2 year compulsory national service for all citizens upon their completion of secondary schools. They can have the choice between military service or public service, the latter consisting of jobs such as construction, clerical, or social work. The national service would include vocational training, so those citizens not desiring attending university after fulfilling their service term will have vocational skills.

Strongly against, why should the young people of Aurentina have to spend their young adulthood building things for the state when they can go to university.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

The first Cabinet is hereby appointed as follows:

President: Aeken, Liberal Democrats
Vice President: Wolfmanne, Progressive-Conservatives
PM: Of the Free Socialist Territories, Communists
Deputy PM: Grenartia, Totally Rad

Ministry of Interiors: Costa Alegria, Progressive-Conservatives
Ministry of Defense: The Realm of God, Progressive-Conservatives
Ministry of Research and Astronomy: Ainin, Totally Rad
Ministry of Education: Greater Pokarnia, Communists
Ministry of Treasury and Finance: Ceannairceach, Totally Rad
Ministry of Health: Chestaan, Communists
Ministry of Energy: Yanalia, Red-Greens
Ministry of Culture and Sports: Venaleria, Red-Greens
Ministry of Justice: Finium, Progressive-Conservatives
Ministry of Work: TerraPublica, Communists
Ministry of Foreign Affairs: Glasgia, Liberal Democrats
Ministry of Environment: Priory Academy USSR, Totally Rad

Further appointments will be announced as and when legislation establishing the relevant Ministries is passed by the Senate.

FreeSoc
Prime Minister

[Britcan]

Sale of Harmful Substances Act (2013)
Urgency: Moderate

Drafted by: Britcan [TR]
Co-sponsored by: Greater Pokarnia [C], Hathradic States [NIFP], Kamchastkia [USLP], Geilinor [LD], Silent Majority [C]

I) Sets the following restrictions on the consumption, purchase and possession of alcoholic beverages:
a) Below the age of 12 minors are not permitted to consume alcohol for non-medical purposes.
b) At the age of 12 minors are permitted to consume and possess, but not purchase, undistilled (fermented) alcoholic beverages, such as beer and wine, as long as they are in the company of their parents or a legal guardian.
c) At 16 the age of minors are permitted to consume, purchase and possess undistilled (fermented) alcoholic beverages, such as beer and wine without their parents or a legal guardian.
d) At the age of 18, having become adults, people are permitted to consume, purchase and posses distilled liquor.

II) Creates the following categories for drugs and requires the Ministry of Health to sort known drugs into classes D, C, B, A and X with D being safe for consumption, C being moderately dangerous, B being significantly dangerous, A being highly dangerous and X being lethal for human consumption even in small quantities.

III) Sets the following restrictions on the consumption, purchase and possession of drugs:
a) All persons are permitted to consume, purchase and posses drugs in Class D.
b) Only persons of at least 18 years of age are permitted to consume, purchase and posses drugs in Classes C and B, excluding cases described in clause III, section f.
c) Only persons of at least 21 years of age are permitted to consume, purchase and posses drugs in Class A, excluding cases described in clause III, section f.
d) Drugs in class X are completely outlawed.
e) Drugs in categories C, B and A may only be consumed on private property with the owners consent. Persons who require the drugs for medical purposes are exempt from this regulation.
f) Any persons who have a medical condition requiring the use of a drugs in categories C, B and A is permitted to consume, purchase and posses drugs necessary for their treatment.

IV) This bill does not prevent the outlawing of individual drugs in future legislation but sets these restrictions on those drugs that are not outlawed.

It's got five co-sponsors plus myself. I would like to request that this be added to the queue.

[Lemanrussland]

I would only support military conscription in two cases:
1) It is absolutely necessary to maintain large reserves for the national defense, as in Israel or Finland.
2) It is absolutely necessary for the prosecution of a war in which victory or defeat will determine the national survival.

In short, conscription only when necessary, and only with Senatorial approval. Conscription just for it's own sake, or as a way to "discipline youngsters" is wasteful, silly, and immoral. We should always strive to maintain a politically independent, fully volunteer, appropriately sized, and high quality military.

[The State of Czecho-Slovakia]

Unfortunately, do to RL, where I engaged in a fruitless argument over a Constitution for my Anime Club which has made me tried of drafting legislation and of political struggles, I herby resign my seat in the Senate. I might be back some time if I get the feeling, but for now I'm out. Syonara.

[Ujh Uhj]

Since we're talking about conscription, I suppose I can pitch in. I would only support mandatory conscription in one scenario: a fleet of at least 14 billion Martian Pegasus-unicorns armed with nuclear missiles flying at us with the goal of destroying planet Earth and the entire galaxy. Well, probably not even then.

[Of the Quendi]

On the matter of conscription I believe I can speak for all of the Libertarian Freedom Party in saying that we cannot accept state sanctioned bondage. The day this country in order to defend itself enslaves its people is the day it becomes a country not worth defending.

That said should the need for a conscription ever come an act of the Senate should be required to permit it why discussing conscription in regards to a general bill on military matters seem superfluous to me.

[The Treorai]

The first Cabinet is hereby appointed as follows:

President: Aeken, Liberal Democrats
Vice President: Wolfmanne, Progressive-Conservatives
PM: Of the Free Socialist Territories, Communists
Deputy PM: Grenartia, Totally Rad

Ministry of Interiors: Costa Alegria, Progressive-Conservatives
Ministry of Defense: The Realm of God, Progressive-Conservatives
Ministry of Research and Astronomy: Ainin, Totally Rad
Ministry of Education: Greater Pokarnia, Communists
Ministry of Treasury and Finance: Ceannairceach, Totally Rad
Ministry of Health: Chestaan, Communists
Ministry of Energy: Yanalia, Red-Greens
Ministry of Culture and Sports: Venaleria, Red-Greens
Ministry of Justice: Finium, Progressive-Conservatives
Ministry of Work: TerraPublica, Communists
Ministry of Foreign Affairs: Glasgia, Liberal Democrats
Ministry of Environment: Priory Academy USSR, Totally Rad

Further appointments will be announced as and when legislation establishing the relevant Ministries is passed by the Senate.

FreeSoc
Prime Minister

There IS NO OFFICE OF VICE PRESIDENT.

[The Treorai]

I am going to withhold my congratulations to a communist prime minister.

Either way, since Limiting Legislation Act, The Civil Treatment Act, Sexual Industry Regulation Act and The Anti-Slavery Act essentially deals with similar stuff, I move for omnibus bill combining all of the above listed bills and for this to be brought to vote.

Fifthed.

Sixthed.

[Greater Pokarnia]

The first Cabinet is hereby appointed as follows:

President: Aeken, Liberal Democrats
Vice President: Wolfmanne, Progressive-Conservatives
PM: Of the Free Socialist Territories, Communists
Deputy PM: Grenartia, Totally Rad

Ministry of Interiors: Costa Alegria, Progressive-Conservatives
Ministry of Defense: The Realm of God, Progressive-Conservatives
Ministry of Research and Astronomy: Ainin, Totally Rad
Ministry of Education: Greater Pokarnia, Communists
Ministry of Treasury and Finance: Ceannairceach, Totally Rad
Ministry of Health: Chestaan, Communists
Ministry of Energy: Yanalia, Red-Greens
Ministry of Culture and Sports: Venaleria, Red-Greens
Ministry of Justice: Finium, Progressive-Conservatives
Ministry of Work: TerraPublica, Communists
Ministry of Foreign Affairs: Glasgia, Liberal Democrats
Ministry of Environment: Priory Academy USSR, Totally Rad

Further appointments will be announced as and when legislation establishing the relevant Ministries is passed by the Senate.

FreeSoc
Prime Minister

There IS NO OFFICE OF VICE PRESIDENT.

The Constitution of the New Senate gives the ability of any president to elect a vice president:

The ability for the party with the majority to elect a President of the Senate, who selects a Vice President of the senate,

And besides, currently the VP has no powers. Just consider him somebody that the president likes to call vice president.

[Geilinor]

When we are forced to force people to take up arms to defend their homes, something has gone badly wrong and we have lost everything we stand for.

It seems we stand for different things. For me the survival of the nation is of paramount concern. If conscription is required for this nation to survive then that is a sacrifice we must make.

Conscription should only exist in dire circumstances. In peace time, it should never exist.

[Great Nepal]

It seems we stand for different things. For me the survival of the nation is of paramount concern. If conscription is required for this nation to survive then that is a sacrifice we must make.

Conscription should only exist in dire circumstances. In peace time, it should never exist.

So, we should force our people to unpaid servitude so that we can survive?

[Regnum Dominae]

On the matter of conscription I believe I can speak for all of the Libertarian Freedom Party in saying that we cannot accept state sanctioned bondage. The day this country in order to defend itself enslaves its people is the day it becomes a country not worth defending.

That said should the need for a conscription ever come an act of the Senate should be required to permit it why discussing conscription in regards to a general bill on military matters seem superfluous to me.

Seconded. A state that needs to enslave people in order to win its battles is a state that doesn't deserve to win at all.