The Problem With Alcohol

[Emotional Support Crocodile]

Starve yourselves to meet Jesus

[Portzania]

Starve yourselves to meet Jesus

Me when I cherry pick unregulated churches and extremists, besides, this is about alcohol, not religion.

[Train mountain]

the problem isn't with one substance, that is the cheapest and most legal in most places, but with mind altering substances in general, and the social and cultural structures that make them forbidden fruit for the young, which thus create a market for them, and a continuing market by addiction once of age.

making them forbidden fruit universally has been tried, and is continuing to be in some place, generally on the pretext of religious beliefs, none of which are universal anywhere. my only though, if we're talking about problems, presumably we are looking for solutions. if a problem is cultural, presumably the most logical place to look for solutions is in the culture itself.

[Ifreann]

Starve yourselves to meet Jesus

Me when I cherry pick unregulated churches and extremists

It's simple guys, religion doesn't kill people because any time that people die because of their religion, that doesn't count.

[Portzania]

Me when I cherry pick unregulated churches and extremists

It's simple guys, religion doesn't kill people because any time that people die because of their religion, that doesn't count.

I never used any of floofy's short sighted arguments.

[Luminesa]

Ladies, gents, and non-binary individuals, is this still the alcohol thread? Or is this the “Entertain Basic Anti-Religion v. Religion” thread? Asking for coherent debate is usually too much for most of NSG, but I get the feeling that alcohol is no longer the topic.

Plus Floofy isn’t really interested in discussing alcohol anymore, since he seems unwilling to turn back to the topic at hand unless someone actively reminds him.

[United Calanworie]

The topic of the thread is alcohol, and the problems with it. Those are *checks notes* not gun violence, religious wars, the merits of knives versus guns as weapons, surveillance capitalism, and *looks closely at topics discussed* personal responsibility being the sole domain of conservatives. Back on track, please, before the Ominous Warning Tags need to be broken out.

-- United Calanworie
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[Vrbo]

Every year, 5% of deaths are attributed to alcohol. Alcohol can be a deadly substance that can have harmful affects to your brain, liver, and many other vital organs. Alcoholics and alcohol abusers are much more likely to get divorced, have problems with domestic violence, struggle with unemployment, and live in poverty.

So what do we do? Is it really much of a problem?

Well, I'd say the 1 in 12 Americans who have an alcohol addiction would say yes. The nearly 400 people who die a day in the United States alone would say yes. The ten thousand people who died in drunk driving accidents would say yes.

So how do we stop it? We can't "live and let live" because all that does is live and let other people die. Can we ban it? We all know very well of the gang violence in the prohibition days, but it law enforcement advanced enough to put a stop to it? Or do we need larger law enforcement to crack down on alcohol abuse? Obviously, this isn't a matter of, "my friend only drinks once a week, it shouldn't be banned because she can moderate." No, we need to do something about it. But what?

Personally, I like the option of banning it and upping law enforcement. However, I'm not entirely sure. What do you think?

Remember, this thread is about alcohol. Deal with alcohol now and we can talk about drugs in another thread. And finally, site rules apply, I don't want anyone to get warned.

I've always had horrible reactions to alcohol, gagging and almost vomiting with some alcohol with high alcohol content. So I tend to stay away from the stuff. That being said, bringing back prohibition proves we never learn from our mistakes. If you outlaw something, you are not stopping it but you are simply increasing demand and decreasing supply. You can try to ban it but realistically you are going to have people who are going to illegally make it, including making moonshine.

A matter best left to the states in the United States from my perspective, but it's important to analyze states who have the strictest laws, and compare how they do in DUI arrests and deaths from alcohol poisoning or drunk driving or vice versa.

[Luminesa]

Every year, 5% of deaths are attributed to alcohol. Alcohol can be a deadly substance that can have harmful affects to your brain, liver, and many other vital organs. Alcoholics and alcohol abusers are much more likely to get divorced, have problems with domestic violence, struggle with unemployment, and live in poverty.

So what do we do? Is it really much of a problem?

Well, I'd say the 1 in 12 Americans who have an alcohol addiction would say yes. The nearly 400 people who die a day in the United States alone would say yes. The ten thousand people who died in drunk driving accidents would say yes.

So how do we stop it? We can't "live and let live" because all that does is live and let other people die. Can we ban it? We all know very well of the gang violence in the prohibition days, but it law enforcement advanced enough to put a stop to it? Or do we need larger law enforcement to crack down on alcohol abuse? Obviously, this isn't a matter of, "my friend only drinks once a week, it shouldn't be banned because she can moderate." No, we need to do something about it. But what?

Personally, I like the option of banning it and upping law enforcement. However, I'm not entirely sure. What do you think?

Remember, this thread is about alcohol. Deal with alcohol now and we can talk about drugs in another thread. And finally, site rules apply, I don't want anyone to get warned.

I've always had horrible reactions to alcohol, gagging and almost vomiting with some alcohol with high alcohol content. So I tend to stay away from the stuff. That being said, bringing back prohibition proves we never learn from our mistakes. If you outlaw something, you are not stopping it but you are simply increasing demand and decreasing supply. You can try to ban it but realistically you are going to have people who are going to illegally make it, including making moonshine.

A matter best left to the states in the United States from my perspective, but it's important to analyze states who have the strictest laws, and compare how they do in DUI arrests and deaths from alcohol poisoning or drunk driving or vice versa.

This is a good point. And states with a lot of dry counties (like when you go further into the Midwest and Appalachia) still have high rates of poverty and crime. It’s a matter of seeing how that correlates with alcohol abuse.

[Vrbo]

I've always had horrible reactions to alcohol, gagging and almost vomiting with some alcohol with high alcohol content. So I tend to stay away from the stuff. That being said, bringing back prohibition proves we never learn from our mistakes. If you outlaw something, you are not stopping it but you are simply increasing demand and decreasing supply. You can try to ban it but realistically you are going to have people who are going to illegally make it, including making moonshine.

A matter best left to the states in the United States from my perspective, but it's important to analyze states who have the strictest laws, and compare how they do in DUI arrests and deaths from alcohol poisoning or drunk driving or vice versa.

This is a good point. And states with a lot of dry counties (like when you go further into the Midwest and Appalachia) still have high rates of poverty and crime. It’s a matter of seeing how that correlates with alcohol abuse.

As a note, I live in a county that still has blue laws despite not being overtly religious. Alongside that, New Jersey has some of the most draconian alcohol-distribution laws in the country with some of the tightest restrictions on retailers. There is a single supermarket I can think of that makes selling alcohol convenient, whereas if you want to buy alcohol while grocery shopping, you need to go to a totally different segment of the building after you have bought everything else. Hard alcohol can't be purchased before 12:00 AM and after 9:00 PM, light alcohol after 10:00 PM (Most stores close at 9:00). Yadda yadda yadda.

As a result, New Jersey has some of the lowest statistics for drinking in general. It's not absent but it's not prevalent.

[Katganistan]

This is a good point. And states with a lot of dry counties (like when you go further into the Midwest and Appalachia) still have high rates of poverty and crime. It’s a matter of seeing how that correlates with alcohol abuse.

As a note, I live in a county that still has blue laws despite not being overtly religious. Alongside that, New Jersey has some of the most draconian alcohol-distribution laws in the country with some of the tightest restrictions on retailers. There is a single supermarket I can think of that makes selling alcohol convenient, whereas if you want to buy alcohol while grocery shopping, you need to go to a totally different segment of the building after you have bought everything else. Hard alcohol can't be purchased before 12:00 AM and after 9:00 PM, light alcohol after 10:00 PM (Most stores close at 9:00). Yadda yadda yadda.

As a result, New Jersey has some of the lowest statistics for drinking in general. It's not absent but it's not prevalent.

Planet of Wine on Route 1 is where I tend to get my stuff.... yes, you don't have hard liquor in GROCERY STORES (though you can buy at Costco) but your package stores are doing just fine.

As for dry towns like Ocean City.... the package store just across the bridge going into Ocean City does a lively bit of business.

[Drongonia]

As I recall, there have been several wars waged explicitly in the name of religion.

But religion never killed anyone. The people did.

Alcohol has never killed anyone, excessive drinking has.

[Vrbo]

As a note, I live in a county that still has blue laws despite not being overtly religious. Alongside that, New Jersey has some of the most draconian alcohol-distribution laws in the country with some of the tightest restrictions on retailers. There is a single supermarket I can think of that makes selling alcohol convenient, whereas if you want to buy alcohol while grocery shopping, you need to go to a totally different segment of the building after you have bought everything else. Hard alcohol can't be purchased before 12:00 AM and after 9:00 PM, light alcohol after 10:00 PM (Most stores close at 9:00). Yadda yadda yadda.

As a result, New Jersey has some of the lowest statistics for drinking in general. It's not absent but it's not prevalent.

Planet of Wine on Route 1 is where I tend to get my stuff.... yes, you don't have hard liquor in GROCERY STORES (though you can buy at Costco) but your package stores are doing just fine.

As for dry towns like Ocean City.... the package store just across the bridge going into Ocean City does a lively bit of business.

One of the selling packages of Stew Leonards on Route 17 that I mentioned, they don't need you to finish your transaction before getting alcohol.

New Jersey and North Carolina make it both inconvenient but unlike New Jersey, North Carolina's alcohol is entirely state-owned...not by package stores. I mean they are package stores but nobody calls them that, they're ABC stores. Alcohol Beverage Commission stores.

Honestly can't say I've been to Ocean City, I'm firmly in Taylor ham country here. Stop and Shop over in Rochelle Park close to Route 4 makes me go to a separate part of the store, that's the only experience I have with that. Did go to Atlantic City once, sin city of New Jersey with alcohol at all hours.

[The Northern Chinese Republic]

Every year, 5% of deaths are attributed to alcohol. Alcohol can be a deadly substance that can have harmful affects to your brain, liver, and many other vital organs. Alcoholics and alcohol abusers are much more likely to get divorced, have problems with domestic violence, struggle with unemployment, and live in poverty.

So what do we do? Is it really much of a problem? Well, I'd say the 1 in 12 Americans who have an alcohol addiction would say yes. The nearly 400 people who die a day in the United States alone would say yes. The ten thousand people who died in drunk driving accidents would say yes.

So how do we stop it? We can't "live and let live" because all that does is live and let other people die. Can we ban it? We all know very well of the gang violence in the prohibition days, but it law enforcement advanced enough to put a stop to it? Or do we need larger law enforcement to crack down on alcohol abuse? Obviously, this isn't a matter of, "my friend only drinks once a week, it shouldn't be banned because she can moderate." No, we need to do something about it. But what?

Personally, I like the option of banning it and upping law enforcement. However, I'm not entirely sure. What do you think?

Remember, this thread is about alcohol. Deal with alcohol now and we can talk about drugs in another thread. And finally, site rules apply, I don't want anyone to get warned.

Sounds like a recipe for more stupid policing issues.

Heavy-handed policing means more opportunities for cops to fuck up, have something go wrong and someone gets hurt, barge into the wrong house, etc.

[Tuscaria]

bruh thats not fair

Lol, FA always has the HOTTEST takes

What, May I Ask, happens to Be What you are saying here?

[Floofybit]

Lol, FA always has the HOTTEST takes

What, May I Ask, happens to Be What you are saying here?

Just that the things they say are very controversial, and very few people actually agree with them

[Soviet Haaregrad]

Those who demand prohibition should be shot into the sun. That is all.