Squatters Seize House

[-St George]

Yeah, because a shotgun is highly likely to just nick their arm, amirite?

Entirely possible if you know you're talking about a shotgun and not an assault rifle.

What?

[The Warrior Hearted]

Entirely possible if you know you're talking about a shotgun and not an assault rifle.

What?

bean bag round, rubber rounds, tazer round...

i could go on

[Germania Alliance]

What?

bean bag round, rubber rounds, tazer round...

i could go on

Not sure about tazer rounds, but thank you for the other examples.

[-St George]

bean bag round, rubber rounds, tazer round...

i could go on

Not sure about tazer rounds, but thank you for the other examples.

Because Joe the Plumber has bean bag rounds amirite?

[Germania Alliance]

Not sure about tazer rounds, but thank you for the other examples.

Because Joe the Plumber has bean bag rounds amirite?

You've pulled that card twice now. It's pretty old.

[Whittoria]

I'm not sure if this has crossed your mind, but you know, it's entirely possible to shoot someone and not kill them.

Yeah, because a shotgun is highly likely to just nick their arm, amirite?

Depends on a number of factors. What gauge, size of the shell, type of load, what type of choke, barrel length, how far away you are from your target, where you're aimed, etc.

While I am a gun owner myself, most likely the only situation I'd ever point a gun at another human being would be if I were called to serve in the military, if I were a cop, or if it was absolutely necessary for self-defense (it would be my last resort).

Of course if I were in the situation this hotelier is in I'd be tempted to find the biggest of those squatters and hit him in the mouth.

And while I'm thinking about it, does anybody else think it's stupid when people with a pump action shotgun pump once before even firing a shot? All you do is waste a shell.

[The Warrior Hearted]

bean bag round, rubber rounds, tazer round...

i could go on

Not sure about tazer rounds, but thank you for the other examples.

its a law enforcement round designed for shotgun use. It would hurt like hell but it likely wouldnt kill you.

[Phonencia]

no, but Joe the Plumber can beat the dude over the head with a fucking baseball bat, or better yet, buttstroke. hit them with the butt of your rifle/shotgun, my AK can very easily be used essentially a club and come out unscathed. that's why I love my rifle, if you rip the guts out of it and make it physically impossible to shoot, you still have a bigass motherfuckin' club to beat people with.

[The Warrior Hearted]

Not sure about tazer rounds, but thank you for the other examples.

Because Joe the Plumber has bean bag rounds amirite?

its not exactly difficult to buy them

[-St George]

Because Joe the Plumber has bean bag rounds amirite?

its not exactly difficult to buy them

But the question is will he buy them?

[Germania Alliance]

Because Joe the Plumber has bean bag rounds amirite?

its not exactly difficult to buy them

Or snake shot... Used it before, and a good option as long as you don't aim for their chest or above.

[Germania Alliance]

its not exactly difficult to buy them

But the question is will he buy them?

Most Americans who (legally) own a firearm generally have ammunition that can be considered non-lethal.

[The Warrior Hearted]

its not exactly difficult to buy them

But the question is will he buy them?

why wouldnt he?

Its not like its $100 a round

[Whittoria]

its not exactly difficult to buy them

But the question is will he buy them?

What's stopping him?

[NERVUN]

Coffee break gang.

Edit: Alrighty then...

The topic...

Tht topic is not about shooting people, what constitutes leathel ammo, or about if or not Redneck is an insulting term or not.

The topic

Is thatta way. So, if you all will kindly get back to the topic and chill it down, you won't have to see what a Mod hammer is capable of.

[Sinuata]

^

Was totally going to say something but someone beat me to it.

Anywho...

While I am supportive of the fact that squatters may feel that they have no option other than to essentially break and enter into someones home I cannot condone it under any circumstances. Squatters rights laws were there to ensure that a person could use a vacated building that is not being used for shelter if they have none. It was surely not meant to encourage unlawful entry into a personal residence with the intent of never leaving despite evidence that the home is in current use.

Are there no shelters in the entire UK? Are there no places for a person or family to go if they are without a home? Are there no other empty buildings at the very least? If there are viable options to squatting in someones home then they are completely without justification in my opinion and at the least should be forced to reimburse the owner or serve some sort of community service or jail if necessary.

In response to U.S. law - yes. In many states ( but not all ) if someone enters your house and changes the locks it is considered both breaking and entry. If they mess up anything on the inside it is destruction of property and if they refuse to leave it is considered trespassing. Only those who have signed a lease agreement with the owner or can produce evidence that they are there legally - (not just an address ) then they need an eviction notice to remove them, and in the states that can literally take months.

The general rule here is that you can only claim possession by squatting if you live there openly and with the landowners knowledge for several years. Other than that the police haul you off.

That all being said - I think squatting is absolutely abhorrent and loathsome. I can understand the socio-political lure of it and a wanting to co-operate in a free and equal community but squatters end up doing so at the expense of someone who is actually working to secure a better home and life for themselves. It's taking advantage of someone elses effort while contributing absolutely nothing to the world yourself.

In other words, those who won't work don't eat. Or live in nice fancy houses.

[Mushet]

These assholes just make the rest of the squatters look bad, alot of squatters just go into these old decrepit and forgotten buildings

[Brent Kockman]

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I'm not familiar with UK law, but how exactly does moving into a currently occupied house count as squatting?

That's something I haven't quite figured out myself. I can see occupying an abandoned property but I would think that taking over someone's home, that is occupied by the owner, when it's being decorated would count as trespass not squatting, especially if the alleged squatters were not invited and were told to leave. I'd also think that taking and using someone else's property without asking and against their wishes would constitute theft. This is why this case bothers me. It doesn't seem to be a case of poor homeless kids squatting in an abandoned property, it seems more like asses breaking and entering, trespassing, and potentially stealing and damaging someone's property.

Keep in mind:
>They claim the fact they cannot afford to rent gives them the right to take over the Victorian property in Camberwell, South-East London.
This, to me, sounds like they are asserting that the status of poverty gives you the right to steal and that, above all else, is what bothers me about this case.

[West Guiana]

I was wondering why is everyone talking about this since the link is nearly a year old?

[Sorratsin]

I'd never have guessed your source.

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It’s absolutely true because I read it in the Daily Mail.

I don't see how this is news worthy, the guy will get his house back after he takes the case to court.

[Globexanter]

I was wondering why is everyone talking about this since the link is nearly a year old?

Because most of them hear the word "squatter" and immediately turn into a pot of hot bubbling rage.

[Brent Kockman]

I was wondering why is everyone talking about this since the link is nearly a year old?

I only heard about it yesterday. I admit I neglected to check the date until now. Apologies for dredging up old news but I think it is still perfectly useful for starting a conversation on squatting, trespass, and the nature of property rights. I have also started another topic on the use of lethal force for those interested in discussing its legality and morality. You can join the discussion here.

[Gun Manufacturers]

edit: deleted because I saw Nervun's post.

[Laerod]

I was wondering why is everyone talking about this since the link is nearly a year old?

I only heard about it yesterday. I admit I neglected to check the date until now. Apologies for dredging up old news but I think it is still perfectly useful for starting a conversation on squatting, trespass, and the nature of property rights.

No it's not, seeing as it misrepresents the case and the rights of the persons involved:

Examples of homeowners who have fallen victim to squatters taking over their homes include Connan Gupta, whose home in Camberwell, South London, was taken over by squatters after he’d moved out while repairs were being made. Another one is 72-year-old George Pope, whose home in Barking was taken over by squatters while he stayed with friends.

Now Housing Minister Grant Shapps has pledged to shut the door to squatters by making homeowners as aware of their rights as those looking to take over their properties. He has launched an online guide for homeowners setting out their rights and what to do if their property is invaded.

The guidance, produced jointly with the Ministry of Justice, makes clear that it is an offence for a squatter to fail to leave a residential property when required to do so by or on behalf of either a displaced residential occupier or certain other occupiers whose interest in the premises is protected under the legislation.

Anyone looking to remove squatters from their home can also apply for an Interim Possession Order. This requires squatters to leave the property within 24 hours of the order being served, or they are committing a criminal offence and can be arrested and face up to six months’ imprisonment.

Linky.

And that's also from about a year ago.

[Wilgrove]

Hotelier leaves home for a week so it can be decorated . . . then 15 jobless Italian squatters move in

In the middle of completely refurbishing his five-bedroom house, Connan Gupta felt he deserved a week off.

It is a decision he is now regretting because 15 squatters took advantage of his short absence to occupy the £700,000 property.

The jobless Italians changed the locks and have taken up residence along with their three dogs and two cats.

They claim the fact they cannot afford to rent gives them the right to take over the Victorian property in Camberwell, South-East London.

Police are powerless to intervene because squatting is a civil rather than criminal offence.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z1YRBPul3z

>They claim the fact they cannot afford to rent gives them the right to take over the Victorian property in Camberwell, South-East London.

See, this is why the United States have lax gun control laws. Who's going to argue with the homeowner that has a pump action 12 gauge shotgun? No one, that's who.