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Postby Great Agram » Mon May 16, 2011 9:33 am

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Arkhanta wrote:all i can say is: take a good look at the Roman Empire. They had gay rights, and all we can do is marvel at their ruins...


is that sarcasm or are you just completely ignorant of the fact that they controlled just about ALL of the known world and were one of the most technologically advanced civilisations of all time.

this is very questionable

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Postby Farnhamia » Mon May 16, 2011 9:34 am

Great Agram wrote:
Daircoill wrote:
is that sarcasm or are you just completely ignorant of the fact that they controlled just about ALL of the known world and were one of the most technologically advanced civilisations of all time.

this is very questionable

So is the idea that "gay rights" brought about the fall of the Roman Empire. And the Roman stance on homosexuality was not as open as many seem to think.
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Postby Great Agram » Mon May 16, 2011 9:35 am

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Great Agram wrote:you are not tolerant.

this is a paradox of all pro-gay assotiations. they are not tolerant to other who do not like gays but in another hand they are seeking to be tolerated.


I am tolerant of your right to dislike homosexuals. i am intolerant of anybody who calls for the death of another human being.

ok, that is fair

but saying that someone is primitive only because someone do not like gays is not very good

btw, do you know what happended in belgrade?

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Postby Umbra Ac Silentium » Mon May 16, 2011 9:36 am

Undivulged Principles wrote:-snip-

Except that marriage originated to trade women, practically. Love had very little to do with it.
Our society's version of marriage is much different. Why can't it change a little more?
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Marriage is a legal term (both in origin and over the last 5000 years - Laws of Eshunna) to describe the union between a Man and a Woman

More like man and his herd of women.
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Postby Tekania » Mon May 16, 2011 9:37 am

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Great Anthonland wrote:Tell me what you think about LGBT (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender) rights. And also explain why you hold that view.


They practice wicked abomination. Do they not fear their Lord? Verily Allah shows His Mercy towards all His creatures. Yet they transgress all bounds in their perverse enormities that they reject his Compassion and incur His wrath. Do they not see what happened to the People of Lot, who commited the same monstrous sins and looked at men with lust? Allah says in the Quran 11:82:

"When Our Decree issued, We turned (the cities) upside down, and rained down on them brimstones hard as baked clay, spread, layer upon layer."

These evildoers should be punished severely in this world, but they should be forgiven if the repent in earnest before their Creator and Sustainer.

And grievous is the penalty they will incur in the hereafter for their detestable doings, they will burn in a blazing Fire.


"See, there, they destroyed the town because they were queers!" I'm sure in context it would have been perfectly okay for them to gang-rape female visitors.... I mean, it's perfectly okay for the towns-folk to get together and sexual assault a group of visiting women, I mean, that's how some true believers say hello... But men? Whoa.. we're stepping out of line now, don't we have any morals?

You're living proof that the majority of so-called "believers" really miss the point of a story.
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Postby Daircoill » Mon May 16, 2011 9:37 am

Great Agram wrote:
Daircoill wrote:
is that sarcasm or are you just completely ignorant of the fact that they controlled just about ALL of the known world and were one of the most technologically advanced civilisations of all time.

this is very questionable


your right let me rephrase:
considering they existed over 2000 years ago, not only did they have primitive brain surgery, sewage, aqueducts, astronomical knowledge and detailed starmaps, knowledge of internal bleeding and the ability to dress wounds as well as we can today, makes them one of the most technologically advanced civilizations ever (when taking into account the era they were living in)

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Postby Farnhamia » Mon May 16, 2011 9:37 am

Great Agram wrote:
Daircoill wrote:
I am tolerant of your right to dislike homosexuals. i am intolerant of anybody who calls for the death of another human being.

ok, that is fair

but saying that someone is primitive only because someone do not like gays is not very good

btw, do you know what happended in belgrade?

What does Belgrade have to do with homosexual rights?
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Postby Daircoill » Mon May 16, 2011 9:38 am

Great Agram wrote:
Daircoill wrote:
I am tolerant of your right to dislike homosexuals. i am intolerant of anybody who calls for the death of another human being.

ok, that is fair

but saying that someone is primitive only because someone do not like gays is not very good

btw, do you know what happended in belgrade?


A) I don't think I ever called anyone primitive
B) No, i don't know what happened in Belgrade. Enlighten me.

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Postby Great Agram » Mon May 16, 2011 9:39 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Great Agram wrote:this is very questionable

So is the idea that "gay rights" brought about the fall of the Roman Empire. And the Roman stance on homosexuality was not as open as many seem to think.

it is questionable that the roman empire the greatest civilisation on the world was.

the roman and the greeks really tolerated the in some period of their history really tolerated homosexualism (alexander the great was gay), but there is a diference: the gays in rome and greece never were open for gay marriages nor for adopting children, they self thought that was only for heteros reserved was

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Postby Flameswroth » Mon May 16, 2011 9:39 am

Farnhamia wrote:What does Belgrade have to do with homosexual rights?

More like, what doesn't Belgrade have to do with homosexual rights! I mean, c'mon now.

Next you'll be saying, "What do the Annunaki have to do with the NWO". Pffft!
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Postby Liriena » Mon May 16, 2011 9:39 am

They should have the same rights as everyone else.

On another note, I do believe that the strong emphasis the LGBT rights movement has placed on the fight for their right to marriage and adoption has probably undermined their chances of being accepted by the rest of society, as it has made them look as a political movement and thus, some straight people feel as though their own rights are under attack by the LGBT rights movement.
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Postby Daircoill » Mon May 16, 2011 9:42 am

Flameswroth wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:What does Belgrade have to do with homosexual rights?

More like, what doesn't Belgrade have to do with homosexual rights! I mean, c'mon now.

Next you'll be saying, "What do the Annunaki have to do with the NWO". Pffft!


I somehow followed that logic. A little worried now.

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Postby Great Agram » Mon May 16, 2011 9:45 am

Daircoill wrote:
Great Agram wrote:ok, that is fair

but saying that someone is primitive only because someone do not like gays is not very good

btw, do you know what happended in belgrade?


A) I don't think I ever called anyone primitive
B) No, i don't know what happened in Belgrade. Enlighten me.



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so think some countries about homosexualims

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Postby Great Agram » Mon May 16, 2011 9:47 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Great Agram wrote:ok, that is fair

but saying that someone is primitive only because someone do not like gays is not very good

btw, do you know what happended in belgrade?

What does Belgrade have to do with homosexual rights?

there was a gay pride in belgrade in 2010. as a reaction on the attemped gay pride 10 000 antiprotesters came to the main square and fought with the police

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Postby Kleomentia » Mon May 16, 2011 9:48 am

Let them do anything they want that will not kill them or/and will not kill anyone else or if anyone else doesn't have to look at them parading in the streets and smooching with each other. I'm all for right and all, but i don't want to have to watch them doing that in public.
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Postby Unhealthy2 » Mon May 16, 2011 9:48 am

Hyorius wrote:They practice wicked abomination. Do they not fear their Lord? Verily Allah shows His Mercy towards all His creatures. Yet they transgress all bounds in their perverse enormities that they reject his Compassion and incur His wrath. Do they not see what happened to the People of Lot, who commited the same monstrous sins and looked at men with lust? Allah says in the Quran 11:82:

"When Our Decree issued, We turned (the cities) upside down, and rained down on them brimstones hard as baked clay, spread, layer upon layer."

These evildoers should be punished severely in this world, but they should be forgiven if the repent in earnest before their Creator and Sustainer.

And grievous is the penalty they will incur in the hereafter for their detestable doings, they will burn in a blazing Fire.


Even assuming that Allah exists, which I have absolutely no reason to do, how is homosexuality bad? How does doing gay things hurt anyone, including Allah? It doesn't make sense.
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Postby Wamitoria » Mon May 16, 2011 9:49 am

Kleomentia wrote:Let them do anything they want that will not kill them or/and will not kill anyone else or if anyone else doesn't have to look at them parading in the streets and smooching with each other. I'm all for right and all, but i don't want to have to watch them doing that in public.

How is it fair that we heterosexuals have the right to "make out" in public but homosexuals can't?
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Postby Unhealthy2 » Mon May 16, 2011 9:50 am

Great Agram wrote:you are not tolerant.

this is a paradox of all pro-gay assotiations. they are not tolerant to other who do not like gays but in another hand they are seeking to be tolerated.


No one has a blanket axiom that "tolerance" is always good in all situations and contexts, and no matter what it is that is being tolerated. Stop playing childish semantic games.
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Postby Kleomentia » Mon May 16, 2011 9:52 am

Wamitoria wrote:
Kleomentia wrote:Let them do anything they want that will not kill them or/and will not kill anyone else or if anyone else doesn't have to look at them parading in the streets and smooching with each other. I'm all for right and all, but i don't want to have to watch them doing that in public.

How is it fair that we heterosexuals have the right to "make out" in public but homosexuals can't?

I didn't mean that, i said it wrong. I mean i don't want a giant parade about their rights that will only cause trouble and damage to the city.They can make out in the public any time they want, but not to make a parade about it.Seriously...
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Postby Tekania » Mon May 16, 2011 9:53 am

Great Agram wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:What does Belgrade have to do with homosexual rights?

there was a gay pride in belgrade in 2010. as a reaction on the attemped gay pride 10 000 antiprotesters came to the main square and fought with the police


Yes, it's a testimony to anti-gay idiots.
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Postby Wamitoria » Mon May 16, 2011 9:53 am

Kleomentia wrote:
Wamitoria wrote:How is it fair that we heterosexuals have the right to "make out" in public but homosexuals can't?

I didn't mean that, i said it wrong. I mean i don't want a giant parade about their rights that will only cause trouble and damage to the city.They can make out in the public any time they want, but not to make a parade about it.Seriously...

I fail to see how Gay Pride parades cause trouble and damage to anyone.

Apart from the horrid fashion senses of the participants, of course. ;)
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Postby Farnhamia » Mon May 16, 2011 9:54 am

Great Agram wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:What does Belgrade have to do with homosexual rights?

there was a gay pride in belgrade in 2010. as a reaction on the attemped gay pride 10 000 antiprotesters came to the main square and fought with the police

So? That's more a comment on the state of Serbian culture than it is on homosexuality.
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Postby Great Agram » Mon May 16, 2011 9:54 am

Unhealthy2 wrote:
Great Agram wrote:you are not tolerant.

this is a paradox of all pro-gay assotiations. they are not tolerant to other who do not like gays but in another hand they are seeking to be tolerated.


No one has a blanket axiom that "tolerance" is always good in all situations and contexts, and no matter what it is that is being tolerated. Stop playing childish semantic games.

well, that is hypocrisy, the problem in which cases tolerance is good and in which not. you and I have diferent views when is good and where not.

btw, this arguments is not mine, it is from a man called thomas Hobbes, i bet you heard for him.

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Postby -St George » Mon May 16, 2011 9:55 am

Sanguinthium wrote:
Great Anthonland wrote:Tell me what you think about LGBT (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender) rights. And also explain why you hold that view.



Nonexistant. unless you consider being hanged, drawn, and quartered a right. in which case, the right is to be executed publically old style english treason way. Hanged, Drawn, Quartered.

Why: Leviticus 20:13
"A man who lays with a man as a man lays with a woman have commited an abommination; they shall surely be put to death. they have no one to blame but themselves; they have forfeited their lives"

as an islamic nation, we follow Sharia law, which coincidentally is almost exactly the same as OT justice.

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Marriage is the bedrock of our society. Our population has grown and flourished around the family unit, and our societies have developed around the family unit, reinforced by the institution of marriage. The institution was conceived to, and has been maintained to, regulate procreation and the continuation of the human species. It has existed for centuries to facilitate families and kinship. The forming of families is the key function of marriage, and extending the scope of marriage to those who are biologically unable to procreate makes marriage itself redundant. The upholding marriage between man and woman simply recognises important and inherent differences between the two sexes. There is nothing unequal about recognising difference.

The government does not and should not regulate or concern itself with love, and if you argue that those who love each other should be able to be married to announce that love, then I seriously wonder about their notion of love that needs paper, formal ceremony, or nomenclature to justify itself.
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Romans 1:27 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Leviticus 20:13 If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.
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Paul, who forms much of New Testament theology (as the author/central source for Romans, Corinthians and others), never outwardly condemns homosexuality, and Mathew leaves it off a list of condemnable acts in his Gospel, and, of course, there's the central fucking theme of the New Testament, Tolerance, as evidenced by Mathew 5:43-44 which, for the third time this post, states: "You have heard that it was said, "Love your neighbor and hate your enemy." But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you"
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Postby Tekania » Mon May 16, 2011 9:55 am

Kleomentia wrote:
Wamitoria wrote:How is it fair that we heterosexuals have the right to "make out" in public but homosexuals can't?

I didn't mean that, i said it wrong. I mean i don't want a giant parade about their rights that will only cause trouble and damage to the city.They can make out in the public any time they want, but not to make a parade about it.Seriously...


The parade doesn't damage the city, it's the idiots attempting to shoot people and firebomb buildings that damage the city.
Such heroic nonsense!

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