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Postby Augarundus » Tue May 17, 2011 7:17 pm

Umbra Ac Silentium wrote:
Augarundus wrote:I don't believe in a state, but, given that the state exists, marriage is not a matter that concerns the state.

But, given that marriage does concern the state...?


Then I would consider homosexual marriage as valid as heterosexual marriage (which I would consider as valid as polygamy).
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Postby Farnhamia » Tue May 17, 2011 8:03 pm

Sociobiology wrote:I demand for every man and woman the same rights I demand for myself.

I demand all your rights and the rights of everyone else! The one with the most rights when they die wins!
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Postby Luciratus » Tue May 17, 2011 9:39 pm

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Sociobiology wrote:I demand for every man and woman the same rights I demand for myself.

I demand all your rights and the rights of everyone else! The one with the most rights when they die wins!

Anarchy, then? Fuck yeah! 8)
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Postby Luciratus » Tue May 17, 2011 9:43 pm

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To some it does. Evidently most, as only a few Christians I know hesitate to eat pork. (I, myself, do not eat pork, but that is for different reasons)

Because pork sucks, ammirite? Perhaps the Jews were onto something...

We certainly were and are onto something. ;)
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Postby Farnhamia » Tue May 17, 2011 10:01 pm

Luciratus wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:I demand all your rights and the rights of everyone else! The one with the most rights when they die wins!

Anarchy, then? Fuck yeah! 8)

Where'd you read anarchy into that? As I accumulate more and more rights, everyone else falls under tighter and tighter control. Mine, of course.
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Postby Umbra Ac Silentium » Tue May 17, 2011 10:44 pm

Augarundus wrote:
Umbra Ac Silentium wrote:But, given that marriage does concern the state...?


Then I would consider homosexual marriage as valid as heterosexual marriage (which I would consider as valid as polygamy).

There we go, thanks. :clap:

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Postby Luciratus » Tue May 17, 2011 10:51 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Luciratus wrote:Anarchy, then? Fuck yeah! 8)

Where'd you read anarchy into that? As I accumulate more and more rights, everyone else falls under tighter and tighter control. Mine, of course.

However, based on social contract theory, wouldn't the most liberated state (at least initially) be under some form of natural anarchy. From there, you could devolve (or evolve if you fancy) into something more like autocracy. I suppose I suspected you would favor a more egalitarian beginning to this competition. No matter, I shall declare myself dictator and have my enemies beheaded in the public square in order to cement the only person's rights that matter: mine. :twisted:
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Postby Farnhamia » Tue May 17, 2011 11:19 pm

Luciratus wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Where'd you read anarchy into that? As I accumulate more and more rights, everyone else falls under tighter and tighter control. Mine, of course.

However, based on social contract theory, wouldn't the most liberated state (at least initially) be under some form of natural anarchy. From there, you could devolve (or evolve if you fancy) into something more like autocracy. I suppose I suspected you would favor a more egalitarian beginning to this competition. No matter, I shall declare myself dictator and have my enemies beheaded in the public square in order to cement the only person's rights that matter: mine. :twisted:

Once you have an insurmountable lead in the number of rights you own, you may do that. But with 7 billion people in the world, that's very hard to do. I've had 15,000 years to work on it and I'm just getting started.
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Postby -St George » Wed May 18, 2011 2:33 am

NeoByzantine wrote:i have no problems with gays, but be gay ur going to hell

You're wrong. Nowhere in the bible is homosexuality explicitly criticised, aside from Leviticus which a) is a set of guidelines for Priests and b) is apart of the Old Covenant and as such has as much relevance to modern Christian theology as the Four Humors do to modern medicine.
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Postby Daircoill » Wed May 18, 2011 5:50 am

-St George wrote:
NeoByzantine wrote:i have no problems with gays, but be gay ur going to hell

You're wrong. Nowhere in the bible is homosexuality explicitly criticised, aside from Leviticus which a) is a set of guidelines for Priests and b) is apart of the Old Covenant and as such has as much relevance to modern Christian theology as the Four Humors do to modern medicine.


Also, nowhere in the bible does it ever make mention of Hell. Hell is a idea dreamed up after the fact by power hungry old men eager to exploit to fearful.

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Postby Ifreann » Wed May 18, 2011 5:57 am

-St George wrote:
NeoByzantine wrote:i have no problems with gays, but be gay ur going to hell

You're wrong. Nowhere in the bible is homosexuality explicitly criticised, aside from Leviticus which a) is a set of guidelines for Priests and b) is apart of the Old Covenant and as such has as much relevance to modern Christian theology as the Four Humors do to modern medicine.

Doesn't Paul say something about the gays?
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Postby -St George » Wed May 18, 2011 7:46 am

Ifreann wrote:
-St George wrote:You're wrong. Nowhere in the bible is homosexuality explicitly criticised, aside from Leviticus which a) is a set of guidelines for Priests and b) is apart of the Old Covenant and as such has as much relevance to modern Christian theology as the Four Humors do to modern medicine.

Doesn't Paul say something about the gays?

Paul never specifically mentions homosexuality. In 1 Corinthians 6 (the word also appears in 1 Timothy 1) he uses the word 'arsenokoitai' which is a word he seems to have invented and, in the King James Version at least, the relevant verses don't appear to refer to homosexuals:
"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
The bold is how 'arsenokoitai' is translated in the KJV.

However, in the New American Standard Version and the New International Version, the verses have been written to read thusly:
"9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men [the NASB simply puts 'homosexuals'] 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God".
Note how "abusers of themselves with mankind" becomes "men who have sex with men". Had Paul actually meant homosexuals, or even just male homosexuals as the NIV has it, he would've used "paiderasste".

Romans 1:26-27 has been called a so-called 'clobber passage' by those who would use the Bible and it's texts to justify bigotry but, as is seen with Leviticus (which is both apart of the Old Covenant and thus irrelevant and a set of guidelines for Jewish Priests), they miss the bigger message/aim of the Passage, which partially tells the story of a group of Christians who left the Church, converted to Paganism and engaged firstly in heterosexual 'orgies' as was common with Pagan fertility religions at the time of Paul's writing, and then, as Paul writes, God "God "gave them over" to something: i.e. homosexual activity.

Now, read that last sentence again. God, God, gave them over to homosexuality. Now, if the Big G were against such a thing, why would he do so? Further, as they were formerly heterosexuals, homosexuality would be, as the passage states, "unnatural for them.
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Postby EnragedMaldivians » Wed May 18, 2011 10:21 am

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They practice wicked abomination. Do they not fear their Lord? Verily Allah shows His Mercy towards all His creatures. Yet they transgress all bounds in their perverse enormities that they reject his Compassion and incur His wrath. Do they not see what happened to the People of Lot, who commited the same monstrous sins and looked at men with lust? Allah says in the Quran 11:82:

"When Our Decree issued, We turned (the cities) upside down, and rained down on them brimstones hard as baked clay, spread, layer upon layer."

These evildoers should be punished severely in this world, but they should be forgiven if the repent in earnest before their Creator and Sustainer.

And grievous is the penalty they will incur in the hereafter for their detestable doings, they will burn in a blazing Fire.


"See, there, they destroyed the town because they were queers!" I'm sure in context it would have been perfectly okay for them to gang-rape female visitors.... I mean, it's perfectly okay for the towns-folk to get together and sexual assault a group of visiting women, I mean, that's how some true believers say hello... But men? Whoa.. we're stepping out of line now, don't we have any morals?

You're living proof that the majority of so-called "believers" really miss the point of a story.


In the Islamic version - Lot does not offer his daughters to the visitors. But other than that...yeah...

I think he's a troll anyway, seeing as he thinks Pakistan is a shining beacon of Islam - and has recently gone around calling his fellow Muslims, "Shi'ite, Ahmadi, traitors."
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Postby Brandenburg-Altmark » Wed May 18, 2011 12:09 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Luciratus wrote:However, based on social contract theory, wouldn't the most liberated state (at least initially) be under some form of natural anarchy. From there, you could devolve (or evolve if you fancy) into something more like autocracy. I suppose I suspected you would favor a more egalitarian beginning to this competition. No matter, I shall declare myself dictator and have my enemies beheaded in the public square in order to cement the only person's rights that matter: mine. :twisted:

Once you have an insurmountable lead in the number of rights you own, you may do that. But with 7 billion people in the world, that's very hard to do. I've had 15,000 years to work on it and I'm just getting started.


Yeah. The more special rights secured by gays and blacks and jews and mexicans the more able they are to crush the god fearing WASPS. That's why they're pushing for so many of them!
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed May 18, 2011 12:19 pm

Brandenburg-Altmark wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Once you have an insurmountable lead in the number of rights you own, you may do that. But with 7 billion people in the world, that's very hard to do. I've had 15,000 years to work on it and I'm just getting started.


Yeah. The more special rights secured by gays and blacks and jews and mexicans the more able they are to crush the god fearing WASPS. That's why they're pushing for so many of them!

It is a cut-throat competition, I know. If only rights weren't a zero-sum game, and each of us could all have as many rights as we want, and my receiving a right wouldn't automatically reduce yours. Ah, well, in the best of all possible worlds, I suppose, but not here.
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Postby In the end » Wed May 18, 2011 12:23 pm

Personally I think its disgusting disgracefull & they can all go rot in hell, because u can not have a kid by stickin a dick in a mans ass & u can't have a kid by a chick puttin a strapon on & screwin the other ladies pussy it just ain't right natural or normal, hell have u read the bible

Now politically ya their people I shouldn't judge em they hve the same right 2 have marital "bliss" or as some would say hell, just causei & god don't aprove doesn't mean it should b restricted just cause some of us don't agree that's wat makes america great the freedom 2 do as u pleas, I may disagree 100% of who u want 2 b but I will fight 2 the death 2 make sure we both have the right 2 b who we want

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Postby Ceannairceach » Wed May 18, 2011 12:27 pm

In the end wrote:Personally I think its disgusting disgracefull & they can all go rot in hell, because u can not have a kid by stickin a dick in a mans ass & u can't have a kid by a chick puttin a strapon on & screwin the other ladies pussy it just ain't right natural or normal, hell have u read the bible

Not all of us believe in the Bible, or hell for that matter. I certainly don't. This said, several homosexual couples have biological children.
Now politically ya their people I shouldn't judge em they hve the same right 2 have marital "bliss" or as some would say hell, just causei & god don't aprove doesn't mean it should b restricted just cause some of us don't agree that's wat makes america great the freedom 2 do as u pleas, I may disagree 100% of who u want 2 b but I will fight 2 the death 2 make sure we both have the right 2 b who we want

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Postby Marcheria » Wed May 18, 2011 12:37 pm

In the end wrote:Personally I think its disgusting disgracefull & they can all go rot in hell, because u can not have a kid by stickin a dick in a mans ass & u can't have a kid by a chick puttin a strapon on & screwin the other ladies pussy it just ain't right natural or normal, hell have u read the bible

Now politically ya their people I shouldn't judge em they hve the same right 2 have marital "bliss" or as some would say hell, just causei & god don't aprove doesn't mean it should b restricted just cause some of us don't agree that's wat makes america great the freedom 2 do as u pleas, I may disagree 100% of who u want 2 b but I will fight 2 the death 2 make sure we both have the right 2 b who we want

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Postby Bellganamos » Wed May 18, 2011 12:44 pm

In the end wrote:Personally I think its disgusting disgracefull & they can all go rot in hell, because u can not have a kid by stickin a dick in a mans ass & u can't have a kid by a chick puttin a strapon on & screwin the other ladies pussy it just ain't right natural or normal, hell have u read the bible

Now politically ya their people I shouldn't judge em they hve the same right 2 have marital "bliss" or as some would say hell, just causei & god don't aprove doesn't mean it should b restricted just cause some of us don't agree that's wat makes america great the freedom 2 do as u pleas, I may disagree 100% of who u want 2 b but I will fight 2 the death 2 make sure we both have the right 2 b who we want


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Postby Wiztopia » Wed May 18, 2011 1:03 pm

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In the end wrote:Personally I think its disgusting disgracefull & they can all go rot in hell, because u can not have a kid by stickin a dick in a mans ass & u can't have a kid by a chick puttin a strapon on & screwin the other ladies pussy it just ain't right natural or normal, hell have u read the bible

Now politically ya their people I shouldn't judge em they hve the same right 2 have marital "bliss" or as some would say hell, just causei & god don't aprove doesn't mean it should b restricted just cause some of us don't agree that's wat makes america great the freedom 2 do as u pleas, I may disagree 100% of who u want 2 b but I will fight 2 the death 2 make sure we both have the right 2 b who we want


I don't know if this is a troll or not...if it is, props to you.


It is. Person signed up recently with only one post and makes a comment like that.

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alguien habla español?
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Postby Freelanderness » Wed May 18, 2011 4:40 pm

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In the end wrote:Personally I think its disgusting disgracefull & they can all go rot in hell, because u can not have a kid by stickin a dick in a mans ass & u can't have a kid by a chick puttin a strapon on & screwin the other ladies pussy it just ain't right natural or normal, hell have u read the bible

Now politically ya their people I shouldn't judge em they hve the same right 2 have marital "bliss" or as some would say hell, just causei & god don't aprove doesn't mean it should b restricted just cause some of us don't agree that's wat makes america great the freedom 2 do as u pleas, I may disagree 100% of who u want 2 b but I will fight 2 the death 2 make sure we both have the right 2 b who we want

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Postby Farnhamia » Wed May 18, 2011 4:42 pm

Freelanderness wrote:
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What language is this?

It looks like MIddle Low Troll. Been a while, though, I could be wrong.
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Postby Westmalle Tripel » Wed May 18, 2011 4:50 pm

In the end wrote:Personally I think its disgusting disgracefull & they can all go rot in hell, because u can not have a kid by stickin a dick in a mans ass & u can't have a kid by a chick puttin a strapon on & screwin the other ladies pussy it just ain't right natural or normal, hell have u read the bible

Now politically ya their people I shouldn't judge em they hve the same right 2 have marital "bliss" or as some would say hell, just causei & god don't aprove doesn't mean it should b restricted just cause some of us don't agree that's wat makes america great the freedom 2 do as u pleas, I may disagree 100% of who u want 2 b but I will fight 2 the death 2 make sure we both have the right 2 b who we want


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