What do you think of Capitalism?

[Ifreann]

Karl Marx, the original simp.

He was down so bad - Darwin was apparently one of those people that scribbled notes in the margins of all his books as he read them, and went back to refer to them and add more if he read it again. The copy of 'Capital' that still sits in his library today is completely pristine.

You've heard of being left on read, now hear the horror story of the man who was left unread.

[Rakhalia]

Karl Marx, the original simp.

He was down so bad - Darwin was apparently one of those people that scribbled notes in the margins of all his books as he read them, and went back to refer to them and add more if he read it again. The copy of 'Capital' that still sits in his library today is completely pristine.

i feel so bad for my guy tbh he just had a crush

[Nevertopia]

capitalism is still the best system we've come up with imho, everything else pales in comparison.

[The Aber]

capitalism is still the best system we've come up with imho, everything else pales in comparison.

Don't like the "intellectually superior revolutionaries" see you say that, lmao.

[Nevertopia]

capitalism is still the best system we've come up with imho, everything else pales in comparison.

Don't like the "intellectually superior revolutionaries" see you say that, lmao.

they say theyre intellectually superior but they never seem to figure out how to make money once theyve abolished capitalism.

[The Aber]

Don't like the "intellectually superior revolutionaries" see you say that, lmao.

they say theyre intellectually superior but they never seem to figure out how to make money once theyve abolished capitalism.

Easy. Just get the gullible shmucks who help you get to your position to do it for you.

[Nevertopia]

they say theyre intellectually superior but they never seem to figure out how to make money once theyve abolished capitalism.

Easy. Just get the gullible shmucks who help you get to your position to do it for you.

Right? Its not like a capitalist country cant just come into theirs and fill the financial vacuum and dominate them economically.

[HISPIDA]

capitalism is still the best system we've come up with imho, everything else pales in comparison.

indeed. i doubt any other system has enslaved so many africans, south americans, and asians (among others) for so little expenditure.

[HISPIDA]

Don't like the "intellectually superior revolutionaries" see you say that, lmao.

they say theyre intellectually superior but they never seem to figure out how to make money once theyve abolished capitalism.

hear me out, and this is gonna sound crazy: what if... there was no money?

[The Aber]

capitalism is still the best system we've come up with imho, everything else pales in comparison.

indeed. i doubt any other system has enslaved so many africans, south americans, and asians (among others) for so little expenditure.

Ah yes. I bet the Bank of America had an absolute say on what governments who used their services did with minorities.

[Nevertopia]

capitalism is still the best system we've come up with imho, everything else pales in comparison.

indeed. i doubt any other system has enslaved so many africans, south americans, and asians (among others) for so little expenditure.

this is a purely reactionary post and has nothing to do with the conversation. Please stop spreading misinformation, slavery is slavery.

[Nyoskova]

It works for me, at least.

[The Aber]

indeed. i doubt any other system has enslaved so many africans, south americans, and asians (among others) for so little expenditure.

this is a purely reactionary post and has nothing to do with the conversation. Please stop spreading misinformation, slavery is slavery.

They'll find ways to blame capitalism for everything, whilst being utterly unable to find any sort of fault within their own side. And it's just pitiful. But our generation loves them, for some Godforsaken reason.

[Drongonia]

this is a purely reactionary post and has nothing to do with the conversation. Please stop spreading misinformation, slavery is slavery.

They'll find ways to blame capitalism for everything, whilst being utterly unable to find any sort of fault within their own side. And it's just pitiful. But our generation loves them, for some Godforsaken reason.

"Tripped over my shoelaces this morning, damn capitalists "

[Sordhau]

they say theyre intellectually superior but they never seem to figure out how to make money once theyve abolished capitalism.

hear me out, and this is gonna sound crazy: what if... there was no money?

B-b-but then how will the few be able to pursue their wants at the expense of the many's needs???

[Western Fardelshufflestein]

this is a purely reactionary post and has nothing to do with the conversation. Please stop spreading misinformation, slavery is slavery.

They'll find ways to blame capitalism for everything, whilst being utterly unable to find any sort of fault within their own side. And it's just pitiful. But our generation loves them, for some Godforsaken reason.

Are you a zoomer?

[The Aber]

They'll find ways to blame capitalism for everything, whilst being utterly unable to find any sort of fault within their own side. And it's just pitiful. But our generation loves them, for some Godforsaken reason.

Are you a zoomer?

As someone born in 1998? Unfortunately.

[Umeria]

this is a purely reactionary post and has nothing to do with the conversation. Please stop spreading misinformation, slavery is slavery.

They'll find ways to blame capitalism for everything, whilst being utterly unable to find any sort of fault within their own side. And it's just pitiful. But our generation loves them, for some Godforsaken reason.

This isn't really a "sides" thing. It's more "what's causing societal problems, and how do we fix them"

[Nilokeras]

'those capitalists think they're so superior, but the dumb dumb heads can't even tell you who is supposed to be your liege lord once we get rid of feudalism!'

[Alexiandra]

Personally, I like Capitalism, it lets people make money and take care of themselves.

What you are doing here is interpreting the negative constraints capitalism imposes upon you as a positive means for the fulfilment of your own interests. Capitalism certainly does 'let' people make money and take care of themselves. But it also forces people to make money in order to take care of themselves. The flourishing or ruination of the individual is therefore a matter of chance, a secondary concern, and depends on how much money they are able to accrue.

Its better than any of the other systems we've come up with so far but it does have its problems. For example, eventually all the money accumulates in a few hands, or how people with less money are most likely to stay that way. There have been different schools of thought on how to fix that issue, for example taxing the rich proportionally to their wealth, government investment in small businesses and things like Universal Basic Income. But those things are always iffy because of tricky things like inflation.

These things aren't 'iffy' just because of inflation. They're simply not means that are capable of producing the desired end, i.e. the removal of class differences. The latter are intrinsic to capitalist production, which is based on the extraction of surplus-labour from workers by capitalists. Because workers are nothing more than a business expense to capital, capital will strive to keep wages - the share of the product belonging to the worker - as low as possible. Indeed, the worker's share of his own product tends to diminish over time, because improvements to productive technique under capitalism always redound to the benefit of the capitalist rather than the worker. That is, they multiply the productivity of labour, reducing the cost of the worker's subsistence, by which wages are determined. The labourer produces more in a shorter space of time, but his wages decrease. Workers are laid off, left to fend for themselves, when machinery enables one worker to perform the work previously done by two, four, six. The difference is simply pocketed by the capitalist, since the worker is nothing more than a business expense whose product belongs to the boss.

The other day I was reading up on someone's factbook and the idea of unions and collective bargaining being enshrined in their national bill of rights seemed like a genius move in dealing with corporations trying to union bust and break up people from negotiating as a group. Right now the world seems to be going through a financial meltdown, stock market is crashing, housing market is still unaffordable since the Boomer generation, and the minimum wage not only has not kept up with inflation but factually has less buying power than any other time in modern history.

I'm not sure why you think enshrining 'the idea of unions and collective bargaining' in the constitution would solve this. The right to collectively bargain and form unions is widely recognised across the world today, and has not been able to arrest the trend you point out, i.e. the decline in the buying power of the wage. Inflation is also an integral part of modern capitalism, resulting from the extension of credit and the equation of promises to pay with payment itself.

While this is all happening, corporations are reaping in record profits. Maybe if there was a system codefied in law where a certain amount of generated gross profits go directly back to the workers, or that the least earning member in a company is earned proportional to the most earning member, so a high earning CEO HAS to increase pay for everyone else if he or she wants more money, either through bonuses, salary or any other form of income received.

This would be nothing but a bribe for the workers. They would still have to work for someone else in order to survive, and the fulfilment of their needs would still be dependent upon the needs of capital - this is an obviously backwards way to run a society. Many corporations (e.g. Mondragon) already have a system of wage regulation like this.

[United Northen States Canada]

Capitalism is the only system we have that gives everyone a chance to grow,unlike communism/socialism that tries to make everyone's wage be nearly the same,totally ignoring the fact that, if you are going to pay a low wage to everyone regardless of their knowledge and their profession,people will just choose not to work at all.
Or would you work as a doctor(for example) for a minimum wage?
Let's just remember that most countries that follows socialism/communism starve their population and some even forbids people.from leaving,while their "government" is enjoying luxurious life style.
So yeah, I'd rather live in a capitalist country,where my rights are preserved than in a socialist/communist country where people work for their government benefits and have their rights taken away

[Ifreann]

Capitalism is the only system we have that gives everyone a chance to grow,unlike communism/socialism that tries to make everyone's wage be nearly the same,totally ignoring the fact that, if you are going to pay a low wage to everyone regardless of their knowledge and their profession,people will just choose not to work at all.
Or would you work as a doctor(for example) for a minimum wage?
Let's just remember that most countries that follows socialism/communism starve their population and some even forbids people.from leaving,while their "government" is enjoying luxurious life style.
So yeah, I'd rather live in a capitalist country,where my rights are preserved than in a socialist/communist country where people work for their government benefits and have their rights taken away

Capitalism absolutely does not give everyone a chance to grow.

[United Northen States Canada]

Capitalism is the only system we have that gives everyone a chance to grow,unlike communism/socialism that tries to make everyone's wage be nearly the same,totally ignoring the fact that, if you are going to pay a low wage to everyone regardless of their knowledge and their profession,people will just choose not to work at all.
Or would you work as a doctor(for example) for a minimum wage?
Let's just remember that most countries that follows socialism/communism starve their population and some even forbids people.from leaving,while their "government" is enjoying luxurious life style.
So yeah, I'd rather live in a capitalist country,where my rights are preserved than in a socialist/communist country where people work for their government benefits and have their rights taken away

Capitalism absolutely does not give everyone a chance to grow.

It does .you just need to study and pay attention to opportunities when they arrive!at least it's working for me and my friends.

[Sordhau]

Capitalism absolutely does not give everyone a chance to grow.

It does .you just need to study and pay attention to opportunities when they arrive!at least it's working for me and my friends.

For every one person it's "working for" it's not working for about 50 other people. If Capitalism was truly so ripe with opportunity then everyone would be rich by now.

[Ifreann]

Capitalism absolutely does not give everyone a chance to grow.

It does .you just need to study and pay attention to opportunities when they arrive!at least it's working for me and my friends.

There aren't opportunities for everyone. There can't be.