Aussie Rules World Cup Discussion Thread (OOC)

[Ko-oren]

Okay, I think we all need to see what guaranteed points for a second place finish looks like before we vote on it. How many points? If first place gets 10.00, how about 9.00 for second place?

Could be. It will be full points for all matches, save the final. However, this is only if there at ten matches in the competition (for the winners and runners up, as well as third and fourth place). If there are say, seven matches, then the runners up will get 6/7 * 10 points (8.86...)

This! There's not a single amount of points handed out per tournament - it's all fractional and depends on how long the tournament was.

Table with both options shown in red

I'd also heavily recommend leaving the formulas visible in the sheet so it's transparent how these are calculated. In mine you can see that cell B43 is C43 minus 1: aka 'total number of games in tournament' minus 1. If I'm curious how my rank is calculated, you can click the cell with your total points and see what values are added together. You can then go to the cells involved to see how their numbers come about, etc.

[Sylestone]

We never really reached a consensus on this and with plans to open ARWC IV signups sometime in the next few days to a week, I think it would be good to stage a vote on this. If possible, I'd like to have this done before signups so we know which ranks should be deemed "official", so unless anyone has any objections, we can start it sometime in the next day or two.

our options, thus far, are these:

Ko-oren's two proposals, explained here and here

The original rankings

Additionally, with the next year or so looking hectic for me, I may stand down as president if someone else wants to jump into the presidency position. The vice-president position is also open, too. I would like to run this vote alongside the host bids for ARWC IV if possible, with a term every three cycles (down from four, which was what I originally said). If anyone would like to run, a simple post indicating this on this thread is all that is needed. This user must also have posted at least a roster in one of the three ARWC tournaments thus far. Therefore, the following is a list of all possible candidates:

Alice Bay
Baggieland
Central Antarctic Peninsula
Ecabo (puppet of Sylestone)
Hebitaka
HMS Onslaught (puppet of Baggieland)
HUElavia
Juvencus
Kelssek
Ko-oren
Kriegiersien
Mathuvan Union
Megistos
Rwekazaland
Sarzonia
Sylestone
Thea Liters
TJUN-ia
Transvolcanic
Zodis Ceres (puppet of Hebitaka)

[Sarzonia]

I think it would be a good idea to have a vote on which system to use for ranks.

As for a vote for President, I would like to announce that I will decline any nominations for President or Vice President in the event that any nominations would have actually been forthcoming.

[Ko-oren]

I'd rather not be president but I'm always willing to help if needed.

For the rankings, it's probably best to issue a poll/vote, officially, where all of the nations in 'Candidates' have a vote. I can live with either one of my options - preferably Option 1 (protect only the winner) instead of option 2 (protect winner and runner-up).

[Sylestone]

For the rankings, it's probably best to issue a poll/vote, officially, where all of the nations in 'Candidates' have a vote. I can live with either one of my options - preferably Option 1 (protect only the winner) instead of option 2 (protect winner and runner-up).

Thanks to you and Sarzonia for chipping in, it's great to hear we're all on roughly the same train of thought. With that, I'll announce a vote on the rankings. The following people may vote:

Alice Bay
Baggieland
Central Antarctic Peninsula
Ecabo (puppet of Sylestone)
Hebitaka
HMS Onslaught (puppet of Baggieland)
HUElavia
Juvencus
Kelssek
Ko-oren
Kriegiersien
Mathuvan Union
Megistos
Rwekazaland
Sarzonia
Sylestone
Thea Liters
TJUN-ia
Transvolcanic
Zodis Ceres (puppet of Hebitaka)

Our options are:

1. Ko-oren's two proposals, explained here and here. The first option listed in the sheet will be known as Winner Protection Ranks, while the second one will be known as the Runner-Up Protection Ranks (because I couldn't think of any better names at this time in the morning). Please note that these are only examples and will be built upon.

2. The original rankings

For all eligible nations, please send your votes in ballot order as a telegram to this account, with one vote per user. I will only vote if I need to break a tie. Please note that while there are only two sheets, there are three possible options. The voting period will close at 9:00 pm UTC on the 14th of October, which is a little under 72 hours from now.

[Sylestone]

Reminder to those on the list of eligible voters to get your votes in for which ranking formula should be used. There is roughly 21 hours to go until the deadline passes, and I have only received three votes.

Those who would like to run for president are still able to throw their name into the ring.

[Sarzonia]

I'd rather not be president but I'm always willing to help if needed.

I don't want either President or Vice President, but I'm happy to help out in other ways

[Sarzonia]

Reminder to those on the list of eligible voters to get your votes in for which ranking formula should be used. There is roughly 21 hours to go until the deadline passes, and I have only received three votes.

Those who would like to run for president are still able to throw their name into the ring.

Have you had a chance to tabulate the results? I know you've got other things you're working on like the Cup of Harmony and all.

[Sylestone]

Reminder to those on the list of eligible voters to get your votes in for which ranking formula should be used. There is roughly 21 hours to go until the deadline passes, and I have only received three votes.

Those who would like to run for president are still able to throw their name into the ring.

Have you had a chance to tabulate the results? I know you've got other things you're working on like the Cup of Harmony and all.

Oop, I forgot. Thanks for reminding me!
I've still only received three votes, so here they are.

Runner-Up Protection Ranks - 2
Winner Protection Ranks - 1
Original Ranks - 0

Therefore, we will be proceeding with the second option on this sheet.

With that, I'll be opening signups for ARWC IV in the next couple of days and we'll work on fleshing out the ranks as they're obviously not quite complete yet.

[Baggieland]

I don't want either President or Vice President, but I'm happy to help out in other ways

I have the exact same feeling às above.

[Sarzonia]

Thanks for hosting, Baggieland! Happy to see TJUN-ia make it a bit of a Big Four!

[Sylestone]

Congrats Sarzonia, commiserations TJUN-ia and thank you for hosting, Baggieland/The Alani! Again, apologies for my lack of RP this edition, but at least this time it didn't hinder anyone else who deserved it more.

Rankings have been updated (thanks Ko-oren!) You can find the link here

[Baggieland]

Congrats Sarzonia, again! Thanks to Sylestone for scorinating all my knock out matches. The new rankings will make for a very interesting and tighter ARWC V.

[TJUN-ia]

G'Day, my friends. Are the lights still on?

When should we expect signups to open for ARWC5?

[Sylestone]

A couple of days time is the current plan.

[StrayaRoos]

Just letting everyone know,The QFs have been delayed totonight AEST or tomorrow so try to get rps in

[Ko-oren]

Congratulations and commisserations where applicable. Thanks all for RPing, and thanks StrayaRoos for a job well done. I hope you enjoyed hosting it, it all seems to have gone well without many incidents.

For next time, could you let us know a time frame that you're cutting off in? MD1 was a guess for us, with how quickly it happened after the thread opening, and with the undisclosed time frame. Not to detract from the rest of the tournament, which was really well done. Thanks again!

[Sarzonia]

Congrats to Ko-oren on winning the title, even though it was at my expense. It's probably better for the code to have more than just the Big Three winning.

Congrats to StrayaRoos for a solid job hosting. I second Ko-oren's feedback and also suggest being a bit more responsive when a competitor brings something to your attention.

[Baggieland]

Congrats to Ko-oren, NS Aussie rules has finally got the shake up it needed.

Well done to StrayaRoos for a solid bit of hosting.

StrayaRoos, I repeat what Ko-oren said about the lack of time we were given to post rosters and prepare for MD1. Most NS sports tournaments give 4 - 5 days for the posting of rosters. Also, your decision to use the RL AFL format for the knockout stages should have been mentioned in your host bid. Please view these comments as the constructive criticism they are meant to be.

I believe there are two points of discussion for everyone involved in NS Aussie rules.

1. Should we continue to use the +15 points in future tournaments?
I say a definite yes.
Also, I think it would be a good idea to just add these +15 to every nation when the new ranks are released.

2. Should we use the RL AFL format for the knockout stages in future tournaments?
I say no.
Take this scenario:
Group winners Sylestone meet group winners Sarzonia in QF1. Sylestone wins and progresses straight to the semis, which they also win, putting them in the final.
Meanwhile, Sarzonia wins their QF2, then wins their semi, meaning that Sylestone and Sarzonia meet once again in the final.
Under this scenario, Sylestone has had 5 chances to RP before the final (MD1, MD2, MD3, QF1, SF).
Whereas Sarzonia has had 6 chances to RP (MD1, MD2, MD3, QF1, QF2, SF).

That puts Sylestone at a disadvantage when it comes to RP bonus possibilities, even though Sylestone reached the final "in a better way".

So, I say we should always just use the standard knockout format where group winners play group runner ups and it's "win or go home".

[Sylestone]

Under this scenario, Sylestone has had 5 chances to RP before the final (MD1, MD2, MD3, QF1, SF).
Whereas Sarzonia has had 6 chances to RP (MD1, MD2, MD3, QF1, QF2, SF).

Not necessarily, as in this case, there's every likelihood that someone may elect to do a bit of worldbuilding, build upon a previous RP or do something of the like on their bye day, but your point is still very valid and should 100% be taken into account.

I think that adding the 15 points definitely helped. Although the same few nations dominated most of the tournament, at least all of them (us?) were RPing consistently and deserved it. I'm not sure adding +15 points to rankings is the way to go about it at the moment, as the top rank is likely to gradually decrease as time goes on, giving lower-ranked teams more opportunities for upsets, but I would definitely not be against it.

Although there is certainly work for improvement, the hosting of the tournament was certainly adequate for a first time host, so congratulations and thank you for StrayaRoos for that.

[Sarzonia]

I'm all for trying a different format in this tournament at least once. I'm not opposed in theory to following a format actually used in the code in real life.

What I don't like is finding out seemingly literally when the knockout rounds began what the format would be and how it worked. That was the effect this had on me at least.

Would anything we say now dissuade me from voting for a future hosting bid? Probably not. I want to see growth for a new host from one tournament to the other. If the same issues recur in subsequent threads, it will have an impact.