Former Japanese PM Shinzo Abe Assassinated

[Lamoni]

oh, no! anyways

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[Suriyanakhon]

I think probably important to note that the Moonies didn't kill Abe, but rather Abe was killed because the killer thought Abe was too close to the Moonies

and he's right, but why -- ignoring all the native shinshukyo -- was the unification church the one to capture ldp wallets?

The Moonies are pretty ardent anti-communist and aggressive proselytizers, it makes sense that they would make some inroads with right-wing Japanese people. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Red Lake Circle]

and he's right, but why -- ignoring all the native shinshukyo -- was the unification church the one to capture ldp wallets?

The Moonies are pretty ardent anti-communist and aggressive proselytizers, it makes sense that they would make some inroads with right-wing Japanese people. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It's honestly interesting, considering Abe himself was part of Nippon Kaigi, an organization that supports state Shintoism.

[Suriyanakhon]

The Moonies are pretty ardent anti-communist and aggressive proselytizers, it makes sense that they would make some inroads with right-wing Japanese people. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It's honestly interesting, considering Abe himself was part of Nippon Kaigi, an organization that supports state Shintoism.

State Shinto is a historically contentious idea. It's more accurate to say that Nippon Kaigi supports the pre-war state's use of Shinto rituals to support ideals of patriotism, which wasn't a religious position (the state actually banned priests from discussing theology during the Meiji Period). Instead these rituals were supposed to be a political ideology or imperial philosophy, one that subjects of the empire could follow while still believing in Buddhism, Christianity, or some other religion. There's actually a number of Christian LDP politicians, including prime minister Taro Aso, who participated in visits to Yasukuni Shrine as a result.

[Prima Scriptura]

Has there been any information released about a possible motive?

[Suriyanakhon]

Has there been any information released about a possible motive?

Killer's mother was swindled out of a lot of money by a cult which ruined their family, the killer blamed Abe for associating with said cult and killed him in revenge.

[Far East Blepia]

Has there been any information released about a possible motive?

he didn't like the moonies, and thought abe had something to do with moonies... not much really

[Shrillland]

Has there been any information released about a possible motive?

Quite a bit, yes. We know that the guy thought that Abe was heavily linked to the Unification Church, which had, according to him, brainwashed his mother. He'd originally planned to kill the Japanese head of the church, but he shifted his target to Abe instead.

[Concejos Unidos]

State Shinto is a historically contentious idea. It's more accurate to say that Nippon Kaigi supports the pre-war state's use of Shinto rituals to support ideals of patriotism, which wasn't a religious position (the state actually banned priests from discussing theology during the Meiji Period). Instead these rituals were supposed to be a political ideology or imperial philosophy, one that subjects of the empire could follow while still believing in Buddhism, Christianity, or some other religion. There's actually a number of Christian LDP politicians, including prime minister Taro Aso, who participated in visits to Yasukuni Shrine as a result.

So like Confucianism in Imperial China, not mutually exclusive with ritualistic/religious practices from other traditions?

[Sordhau]

oh, no! anyways

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Expressing indifference to a high profile assassination is trolling now? Moderation's definition of trolling just gets looser and looser.

[New haven america]

oh, no! anyways

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Indifference is trolling because...?

[Great Heathen Air Force]

oh, no! anyways

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I don't mean to be overly critical, but I can't see how this is meaningfully worse than IM being all perversely excited about it. And that was deemed not actionable.

[United Valik]

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Indifference is trolling because...?

You're surprised that the mods overreact? Seriously? They've been drunk on power for ages now.

[HISPIDA]

State Shinto is a historically contentious idea. It's more accurate to say that Nippon Kaigi supports the pre-war state's use of Shinto rituals to support ideals of patriotism, which wasn't a religious position (the state actually banned priests from discussing theology during the Meiji Period). Instead these rituals were supposed to be a political ideology or imperial philosophy, one that subjects of the empire could follow while still believing in Buddhism, Christianity, or some other religion. There's actually a number of Christian LDP politicians, including prime minister Taro Aso, who participated in visits to Yasukuni Shrine as a result.

So like Confucianism in Imperial China, not mutually exclusive with ritualistic/religious practices from other traditions?

generally, yes. it's important to keep in mind, however, that shinto itself wasn't an invention of the meiji regime. shintoism has likely been around since before historical records even existed and is arguably one of the oldest religions on the planet. state shinto can basically be summed up as an extension of previous government attempts to control the faith, such as the tenpo reforms, combined with modern anti-foreign nationalism and renewed japanese patriotism in general but especially within the upper class.

Indifference is trolling because...?

You're surprised that the mods overreact? Seriously? They've been drunk on power for ages now.

don't forget they also hate me

[United Valik]

So like Confucianism in Imperial China, not mutually exclusive with ritualistic/religious practices from other traditions?

generally, yes. it's important to keep in mind, however, that shinto itself wasn't an invention of the meiji regime. shintoism has likely been around since before historical records even existed and is arguably one of the oldest religions on the planet. state shinto can basically be summed up as an extension of previous government attempts to control the faith, such as the tenpo reforms, combined with modern anti-foreign nationalism and renewed japanese patriotism in general.

You're surprised that the mods overreact? Seriously? They've been drunk on power for ages now.

don't forget they also hate me

Same here. Same here. The persecution gets old after a while. And what they did to New Edom and others was just plain wrong.

[Katganistan]

generally, yes. it's important to keep in mind, however, that shinto itself wasn't an invention of the meiji regime. shintoism has likely been around since before historical records even existed and is arguably one of the oldest religions on the planet. state shinto can basically be summed up as an extension of previous government attempts to control the faith, such as the tenpo reforms, combined with modern anti-foreign nationalism and renewed japanese patriotism in general.


don't forget they also hate me

Same here. Same here. The persecution gets old after a while. And what they did to New Edom and others was just plain wrong.

The rules are very clear on rape fantasies not being allowed here. There are sites more suitable for that kind of thing, but this one isn't it.

[The Black Forrest]

Has there been any information released about a possible motive?

Last I checked (been a few days); he was out of work and had a thing for the moonies. Apparently; the mother gave them a great deal of money. Abe apparently was friendly towards or with the moonies….

[Sanrellia]

RIPiss. The worse thing about this is that his death will only acceleration the nationalist policies he's been pursuing and will further embolden the jingoistic side of Japanese politics

[Vikanias]

Rest In Peace I guess, I can’t comment much because of the these three things.

A: I have better things to worry about in the future and present
B: I don’t care
C: I am not a basement dweller

[New haven america]

Same here. Same here. The persecution gets old after a while. And what they did to New Edom and others was just plain wrong.

The rules are very clear on rape fantasies not being allowed here. There are sites more suitable for that kind of thing, but this one isn't it.

Meanwhile, rampant trolling and stalking that lasts years at a time is AOK~

[Manchuria]

Has there been any information released about a possible motive?

Apparently his mother bankrupted herself when he was 20 from giving too much money to the Unification Church, a cult. The money his mother donated to the church was also unfortunately his college tuition money, forcing him to drop out of university early without graduating. It also tore his family apart.

The part about his mom joining a cult and then bankrupting his family part has been confirmed. Not sure about exact age and him being forced to drop out of college because of it, though, but I think that part also seems true.

"The suspect’s sometime drinking buddy recalls that he rarely discussed his personal life, but one time he confided that his family had broken up after they started associating with the Unification Church and their business of offering spiritual services for money and that he believed he would still have his family if the Unification Church had never existed. He also said the Unification Church’s relationship with Abe runs deep and how that meant the police can’t investigate their activities. Uncharacteristically, he said this with rage"
^ from a former drinking buddy of his

[Manchuria]

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I don't mean to be overly critical, but I can't see how this is meaningfully worse than IM being all perversely excited about it. And that was deemed not actionable.

The mods are going to be handing out bans when Trump dies

[New haven america]

I don't mean to be overly critical, but I can't see how this is meaningfully worse than IM being all perversely excited about it. And that was deemed not actionable.

The mods are going to be handing out bans when Trump dies

Meanwhile, if a left-wing leader dies:

"Eh, it's borderline, but not actionable."

[ImperialRussia]

I don't mean to be overly critical, but I can't see how this is meaningfully worse than IM being all perversely excited about it. And that was deemed not actionable.

The mods are going to be handing out bans when Trump dies

Will Desantis overcome the challenge if that situation ever to occur.

[Suriyanakhon]

State Shinto is a historically contentious idea. It's more accurate to say that Nippon Kaigi supports the pre-war state's use of Shinto rituals to support ideals of patriotism, which wasn't a religious position (the state actually banned priests from discussing theology during the Meiji Period). Instead these rituals were supposed to be a political ideology or imperial philosophy, one that subjects of the empire could follow while still believing in Buddhism, Christianity, or some other religion. There's actually a number of Christian LDP politicians, including prime minister Taro Aso, who participated in visits to Yasukuni Shrine as a result.

So like Confucianism in Imperial China, not mutually exclusive with ritualistic/religious practices from other traditions?

Yes, the fusion of nativist ideas and Neo-Confucianism was actually a primary trend that lead to the Meiji Revolution. A lot of Japanese Neo-Confucian thinkers cast Shinto as the native Japanese version of Confucianism, with the deities and rulers being the equivalent of the sages of ancient China.

generally, yes. it's important to keep in mind, however, that shinto itself wasn't an invention of the meiji regime. shintoism has likely been around since before historical records even existed and is arguably one of the oldest religions on the planet. state shinto can basically be summed up as an extension of previous government attempts to control the faith, such as the tenpo reforms, combined with modern anti-foreign nationalism and renewed japanese patriotism in general but especially within the upper class.

Not at all, most academics have shied away from primordialist interpretations of Shinto over the years and see it as a recent invention. There are medieval schools of thought that can be called Shinto and inspired the later movements, but they all derived their content from Confucianism or Esoteric Buddhism, rather than extending into the remote past like has been suggested.