Something more moral than abortion. Perhaps blackjack and hookers?
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by Drongonia » Sat Mar 06, 2021 5:25 am
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by My Political Fantasy » Sat Mar 06, 2021 5:30 am
by The Blaatschapen » Sat Mar 06, 2021 5:42 am
Infected Mushroom wrote:The Nihilistic view wrote:Answered yes because whilst we would all like to think we would say no if you actually had that much money sat in front of you with no personal strings attached and nobody would know would you really actually say no? Most people's threshold for grabbing the money is significantly below one hundred million.
It's like all the people that would have done the Russian revolution without the death and how 100% of people would have resisted the Nazis or how everybody pretends they would be the three people that first campaigned against slavery. No you wouldn't be, you would fall foul of all the same pitfalls the people back then did and you would be at a very minimum complicit in the oppression by inactivity.
You are taking the money if it was real.
My understanding is that 100 million is quite a lot. I completely understand what you're saying.
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by Kannap » Sat Mar 06, 2021 6:20 am
Infected Mushroom wrote:Please consider this very simple hypothetical (inspired by a very casual conversation at work):
A supernatural entity comes to you. She says to you, “I can give you 100 million dollars… but if you accept this money, then there will be a huge social cost. Immediately all over the world, magical forces will come into play and make abortions impossible to carry out for the next 1,000 years. Any attempts by individuals to work around these magical laws will not only fail but will also result in horrifying curses being placed on them.”
If you take the money… then the entire world will suddenly be bound by these all-powerful magical rules that make it impossible to carry out any and all abortions. The ONE EXCEPTION to this rule however, is where the abortion is absolutely necessary for the literal survival of the mother (those can and will still work). The world would be fundamentally altered by these new rules of magic.
After 1,000 years, the magical rules will be lifted and it will become possible for abortions to be carried out once again.
Please assume that the money would be transferred to you in a way that is legal, non-taxable, and recognized. However, no one would know the real reason you were paid.
Do you accept the money? Or would you consider the societal cost unacceptable?
It’s a lot of money and 100 million dollars can be used to change the world, but some things shouldn’t be bought and sold. What do you say?
This a very difficult decision to make (especially coming from a personally pro-abortion political perspective), but in the end I would take the money because it is quite a lot. The most important factor here is that the ban on abortions wouldn't be permanent (it's only for 1,000 years), meanwhile, the 100 million dollars can be used to make things better immediately.
Luna Amore wrote:Please remember to attend the ritualistic burning of Kannap for heresy
by Kannap » Sat Mar 06, 2021 6:27 am
Luna Amore wrote:Please remember to attend the ritualistic burning of Kannap for heresy
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by Great Pacific Switzerland » Sat Mar 06, 2021 6:42 am
by The Free Joy State » Sat Mar 06, 2021 6:45 am
Luna Amore wrote:This is an obvious no. Besides being a ridiculous underask, 1,000 years locked into one decision? Nah, you should at least entertain that possibility you could have the wrong view especially on that long a time scale. I mean, Blaat found a monkeypaw loophole in like 15 seconds.
That's not even taking into the account the exception. Does the Supernatural Entity have to decide if an abortion is "necessary for the survival of the mother" or is it up to the doctor and woman involved? If it's the later, you're going to see a sudden near 100% rate of medically necessary abortions. If it's the former, man, this Supernatural Entity must get beat up a lot by his supernatural entity buddies. He just doomed himself to 1,000 years of medical bureaucracy.
Great Pacific Switzerland wrote:I reckon to give me the money and the gov support women heavily for the absence of abortion or I cause a coup and do it myself with my new found wealth
by Great Pacific Switzerland » Sat Mar 06, 2021 6:48 am
The Free Joy State wrote:Great Pacific Switzerland wrote:I reckon to give me the money and the gov support women heavily for the absence of abortion or I cause a coup and do it myself with my new found wealth
Yes, one hundred million can do what $5.329 billion a year (and that's just on the American foster care system) has failed to do.
It's not even a drop in a bucket.
by The Free Joy State » Sat Mar 06, 2021 6:51 am
Great Pacific Switzerland wrote:The Free Joy State wrote:Yes, one hundred million can do what $5.329 billion a year (and that's just on the American foster care system) has failed to do.
It's not even a drop in a bucket.
Talking about using the money to get more money to use to fund a coup and take over as El Presidente
by Great Pacific Switzerland » Sat Mar 06, 2021 6:55 am
The Free Joy State wrote:Great Pacific Switzerland wrote:Talking about using the money to get more money to use to fund a coup and take over as El Presidente
Good luck with that. You're looking at about 1/2 a billion.
Even in 1992, it cost nearly 200 million to run for President.
by The Free Joy State » Sat Mar 06, 2021 7:02 am
Great Pacific Switzerland wrote:The Free Joy State wrote:Good luck with that. You're looking at about 1/2 a billion.
Even in 1992, it cost nearly 200 million to run for President.
Read again. I'm doing a coup
by Ifreann » Sat Mar 06, 2021 7:04 am
by Kannap » Sat Mar 06, 2021 7:12 am
Ifreann wrote:Not for any amount of money would I trade away other people's rights.
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