Harsh punishments don't deter people from committing crimes, especially not adolescents.
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by Ifreann » Thu Jun 25, 2020 7:56 am
by The Industries2 » Thu Jun 25, 2020 7:59 am
Purpelia wrote:No, not only should they not be tougher but they should be entirely removed. Animals are NOT people. And to restrict the rights of your voting populace for the sake of non sentient critters is frankly moronic. We only do it out of a wrong and moronic sense of sentimentality. And that is not a good reason to do anything. Animal rights should instead be rolled back and entirely removed so that beasts can once again take their rightful place as property.
PS. This does not mean I condone killing other peoples pets or livestock. That's property damage. And property damage should be dealt with with cruelty and wrath.
PPS. I am also not against conservation. Maintaining a functioning ecosystem is in the higher interest of all humans not dying horribly so concessions have to be made to that. Just as long as we remember we are doing it for humans sake and NOT for natures sake. It's a keep your slave alive and healthy so that it can keep working your field efficiently sort of deal.
by Nobel Hobos 2 » Thu Jun 25, 2020 8:03 am
Qabea wrote:I mean, to call it "murder" when regarding the eggs really walks on the thin line of hypocrisy for someone I assume is a pro-choicer. Uhh if you mean the broken heart thing is murder, that's an unintended consequence these boys probably didn't know. I still think these were some asshole kids who deserve a slap on the wrist but nothing further.
by Andsed » Thu Jun 25, 2020 8:11 am
by The Emerald Legion » Thu Jun 25, 2020 8:21 am
by Nobel Hobos 2 » Thu Jun 25, 2020 8:27 am
The Emerald Legion wrote:Ifreann wrote:Your assumption is as false as your edginess.
It's as true as the fact that animals are not your friend.
Also, a swan is literally just a goose but pretty. The only reason this is a thing is because British royalty are the only ones allowed to eat swan because the UK is a backwards country with no concept of freedom.
by Ifreann » Thu Jun 25, 2020 8:36 am
by Kustonia » Thu Jun 25, 2020 8:39 am
San Lumen wrote:https://www.smalljoys.tv/mother-swan-broken-heart/
A swan in Manchester died of a apparent broken heart after several teens destroyed her nest causing her partner to leave her. Swans often mate for life. Who raised such monsters that they would do something so awful? I hope whoever did this is caught and charged to the fullest extent of the law possible.
I often wonder if making animal cruelty charges a felony is enough to make heartbreaking stories like this stop. Perhaps if these teens were charged with murder it would make others think twice about doing something similar and make people have more respect and care for other creatures.
What do you think NSG?
by Nobel Hobos 2 » Thu Jun 25, 2020 8:50 am
Kustonia wrote:San Lumen wrote:https://www.smalljoys.tv/mother-swan-broken-heart/
A swan in Manchester died of a apparent broken heart after several teens destroyed her nest causing her partner to leave her. Swans often mate for life. Who raised such monsters that they would do something so awful? I hope whoever did this is caught and charged to the fullest extent of the law possible.
I often wonder if making animal cruelty charges a felony is enough to make heartbreaking stories like this stop. Perhaps if these teens were charged with murder it would make others think twice about doing something similar and make people have more respect and care for other creatures.
What do you think NSG?
People are not taught to respect nature anymore. The teens probably didn't know the harm they caused to another living creature, and that's a symptom of the current conflict between the Modern World vs. Nature.
Animal cruelty cannot go unpunished, but punishment alone will cause resentment. We need a thorough anti-modern and anti-liberal education to teach the next generation about how to accept discipline and to show respect instead of pursuing unlimited freedom and every sadistic, hedonistic pleasure known to man.
by Ifreann » Thu Jun 25, 2020 8:52 am
Kustonia wrote:San Lumen wrote:https://www.smalljoys.tv/mother-swan-broken-heart/
A swan in Manchester died of a apparent broken heart after several teens destroyed her nest causing her partner to leave her. Swans often mate for life. Who raised such monsters that they would do something so awful? I hope whoever did this is caught and charged to the fullest extent of the law possible.
I often wonder if making animal cruelty charges a felony is enough to make heartbreaking stories like this stop. Perhaps if these teens were charged with murder it would make others think twice about doing something similar and make people have more respect and care for other creatures.
What do you think NSG?
People are not taught to respect nature anymore. The teens probably didn't know the harm they caused to another living creature, and that's a symptom of the current conflict between the Modern World vs. Nature.
Animal cruelty cannot go unpunished, but punishment alone will cause resentment. We need a thorough anti-modern and anti-liberal education to teach the next generation about how to accept discipline and to show respect instead of pursuing unlimited freedom and every sadistic, hedonistic pleasure known to man.
by Stellar Colonies » Fri Jun 26, 2020 1:28 pm
The Alma Mater wrote:Ifreann wrote:If you want to reduce crime by imposing harsher punishments then you don't agree, to any extent, that harsher punishments do not reduce crime.
Hoe about we use the anti-abortion tactics ? If people e.g. want to buy meat they would first have to watch a video of the life the animal had and it being slaughtered.
Preferably with sound.
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by Purple Rats » Fri Jun 26, 2020 2:40 pm
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by Middle Barael » Fri Jun 26, 2020 3:02 pm
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:San Lumen wrote:
What do you propose?
I’d impose jail (adults) or correctional time (teens) depending on the severity of the animal abuse and the circumstances by which it happened. Community service is another one. But not just any type, something quite time consuming and physically taxing, and expunging of records can be done upon completion. You don’t necessarily want to ruin a teenager’s life, but rather make them aware that actions have very real consequences.
by San Lumen » Fri Jun 26, 2020 3:42 pm
Middle Barael wrote:Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
I’d impose jail (adults) or correctional time (teens) depending on the severity of the animal abuse and the circumstances by which it happened. Community service is another one. But not just any type, something quite time consuming and physically taxing, and expunging of records can be done upon completion. You don’t necessarily want to ruin a teenager’s life, but rather make them aware that actions have very real consequences.
I completely agree. I do however believe that they should not be in jail for too long, more like a week or two, followed by community service, as we only want to teach them a lesson, not ruin their lives. If they are a serial animal abuser or serial animal murderer, then it is fine to keep them in jail for a while.
by Katganistan » Fri Jun 26, 2020 3:49 pm
Qabea wrote:San Lumen wrote:And they deserve to be prosecuted to the fullest extent possible and should face jail time
That's a little too far, maybe a fine. I don't think a few kids lives should be ruined because of this, it's literally the epitome of "boys being boys." At the end of the day, I would say the only reason this probably happened is because kids are bored under the quarantine.
Purple Rats wrote:I have mixed feelings about this situation / thread. Part of me is glad that there are people who are angry about what happened with the swan, cause it shows they care.
On the other hand, every time when I see something similar happening somewhere and people react to these, it's always some "beautiful animal". Swans are viewed as gorgeous birds (which they are), and therefor people feel more empathy towards them. Same way how people feel about pets, or are sad because tigers being hunted or being in circus, while there are happening lot of animal cruelty (and I am not even talking about livestock animals) towards other animals as well, and people just think "what a sicko" for a sec and then moving on with their lives. (there was one thread about some youtuber, true, but I am speaking more general not NS)
Animal cruelty is always terrible, and always wrong, no matter what kind of an animal is that.
And for the ones who ask "Why should I care about animals", I could ask the same "why should we care about humans then?"
by Salus Maior » Fri Jun 26, 2020 4:46 pm
by Salus Maior » Fri Jun 26, 2020 4:48 pm
Purple Rats wrote:And for the ones who ask "Why should I care about animals", I could ask the same "why should we care about humans then?"
by San Lumen » Fri Jun 26, 2020 4:50 pm
Salus Maior wrote:I mean, sure, they should get in some deep trouble and maybe a pretty significant fine/community service to straighten them out but it is just a bird.
Birds die all the time, it's nature. In this case it wasn't, but I don't know how much of a difference that really makes.
by Salus Maior » Fri Jun 26, 2020 4:54 pm
San Lumen wrote:Salus Maior wrote:I mean, sure, they should get in some deep trouble and maybe a pretty significant fine/community service to straighten them out but it is just a bird.
Birds die all the time, it's nature. In this case it wasn't, but I don't know how much of a difference that really makes.
Just a bird implies they are less important than humans. They committed an act of murder and deserve a heavy fine and a few days in jail to straighten these monsters out.
by San Lumen » Fri Jun 26, 2020 4:56 pm
Salus Maior wrote:San Lumen wrote:
Just a bird implies they are less important than humans. They committed an act of murder and deserve a heavy fine and a few days in jail to straighten these monsters out.
You catch on pretty quick. It's not murder, because 1. they didn't directly kill the bird, and probably didn't know that destroying the nest would end that way, and 2. it's a fucking bird.
Are you a vegan?
by Salus Maior » Fri Jun 26, 2020 5:02 pm
San Lumen wrote:Salus Maior wrote:
You catch on pretty quick. It's not murder, because 1. they didn't directly kill the bird, and probably didn't know that destroying the nest would end that way, and 2. it's a fucking bird.
Are you a vegan?
Yes they did. Why would anyone do something so evil? It's not just a bird. its a living creature who has the same right to exist and reproduce as we do.
by Estanglia » Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:20 pm
San Lumen wrote:Salus Maior wrote:I mean, sure, they should get in some deep trouble and maybe a pretty significant fine/community service to straighten them out but it is just a bird.
Birds die all the time, it's nature. In this case it wasn't, but I don't know how much of a difference that really makes.
Just a bird implies they are less important than humans.
They committed an act of murder and deserve a heavy fine and a few days in jail to straighten these monsters out.
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by Gun Manufacturers » Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:04 pm
San Lumen wrote:Qabea wrote:That's a little too far, maybe a fine. I don't think a few kids lives should be ruined because of this, it's literally the epitome of "boys being boys." At the end of the day, I would say the only reason this probably happened is because kids are bored under the quarantine.
That’s not a excuse. This was murder plain and simple and they need to be taught a lesson and made an example of
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