Battle for the Beehive(A New Zealand Election Thread)

[Jedi Council]

My contention was their broad generalization that states these strategies offer "the best outcomes" was an assumption.

Oh granted. They might have a study from some US "university" which shows that you know. Not the sort of study that deserves to be called a "paper" of course.

One more time. Stay abstinent before marriage. Get married. Stay abstinent forever ...

If they are talking about STI's or Abortions, sure, statistics might be on their side, but saying those strategies offer "the best outcomes for all" is an extremely vague, and most likely incorrect statement.

Glad it will be an option, but it should be taught properly.

Which one are you glad of being an option? Abstinence or long-term relationship?

Abstinence can be taught as a method of reducing ones risk of STIs provided that other contraceptive methods are taught alongside it..

I think teaching that long term relationships lower STI risk is kind of pointless, since it is basically saying that a smaller number of sexual partners will have the same result. They are merely couching a small number of partners as a series of long term relationships to fit their preferred moral framework.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Top of page two, and I'm the first to ask: what beehive?

[Liriena]

Her government is dogshit is not really an argument, it's an opinion.

Apart from not implementing policies, what else makes her government dogshit?

One thing I absolutely hate her for is the handling of Christchurch which was awful and only supported by fudds or people who know nothing about firearms. And the results of innocent people being sent to jail for "terrorism".

Dafuq

[Jedi Council]

Her government is dogshit is not really an argument, it's an opinion.

Apart from not implementing policies, what else makes her government dogshit?

One thing I absolutely hate her for is the handling of Christchurch which was awful and only supported by fudds or people who know nothing about firearms. And the results of innocent people being sent to jail for "terrorism".

Could you source any of that? I'd hate to have to consider myself a fudd on your word alone..

[Jedi Council]

Top of page two, and I'm the first to ask: what beehive?

The House of Representatives meets in a building nicknamed the Beehive I believe.

Edit: Quick google search shows I am wrong, it is the Executive Wing of the NZ Parliament complex.

[Drongonia]

OP, please change the poll option from Nationals (Aussie style) to National, as it is usually said here.

Also, I see that me mentioning the New Conservatives got widely panned, which is to be expected as this is NSG, after all. I saw the mention of the term "personal responsibility" which I personally dislike as the term has barely any meaning anymore, and is one the mainstream right carts out to try make sense of some of their stupid decisions. Also, personal responsibility is implying that the general public are capable of making their own decisions - they aren't.

Maybe I should reconsider my support for NC, but I have to say although I don't agree with all of their stances/opinions, they are the best fit for me. You guys can "yikes" all you want.

[Jedi Council]

OP, please change the poll option from Nationals (Aussie style) to National, as it is usually said here.

Also, I see that me mentioning the New Conservatives got widely panned, which is to be expected as this is NSG, after all. I saw the mention of the term "personal responsibility" which I personally dislike as the term has barely any meaning anymore, and is one the mainstream right carts out to try make sense of some of their stupid decisions. Also, personal responsibility is implying that the general public are capable of making their own decisions - they aren't.

Maybe I should reconsider my support for NC, but I have to say although I don't agree with all of their stances/opinions, they are the best fit for me. You guys can "yikes" all you want.

The personal responsibility part was in reference to the New Conservative policy that would see Marriage/Relationship training courses be funded, and highly encouraged, by the state.

And just to clarify, it's not you that was being panned, it was the Party itself.

[Slavakino]

One thing I absolutely hate her for is the handling of Christchurch which was awful and only supported by fudds or people who know nothing about firearms. And the results of innocent people being sent to jail for "terrorism".

Could you source any of that? I'd hate to have to consider myself a fudd on your word alone..

Don't expect me to spend time digging for articles about how laws were changed early last year. The gun laws were unnecessarily restricted like any damn centre-left 'liberal' party does these days (inb4 banned for trolling). Not to mention sharing videos or photos of the actions of Christchurch can result in kiwis getting sent to jail for apparently spreading terrorist material. The only way to appropriately stop terrorism is though a strong intelligence service, all this gun banning crap is a load of horseshit and security theatre

[Jedi Council]

Could you source any of that? I'd hate to have to consider myself a fudd on your word alone..

Don't expect me to spend time digging for articles about how laws were changed early last year. The gun laws were unnecessarily restricted like any damn centre-left 'liberal' party does these days (inb4 banned for trolling). Not to mention sharing videos or photos of the actions of Christchurch can result in kiwis getting sent to jail for apparently spreading terrorist material. The only way to appropriately stop terrorism is though a strong intelligence service, all this gun banning crap is a load of horseshit and security theatre

Dont expect me to take your opinions at face value then if you are not going to back them up with evidence.

I think we are all aware of what happened at Christchurch; there is no need to share any photos or videos from that tragedy.

[Drongonia]

The personal responsibility part was in reference to the New Conservative policy that would see Marriage/Relationship training courses be funded, and highly encouraged, by the state.

Right, right I misread.

And just to clarify, it's not you that was being panned, it was the Party itself.

Yeah I know, was just saying that any kind of conservatism, especially anything to do with religion, is pretty widely panned on NSG. Anyway I'm looking forward to coming back to this thread in September.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Oh granted. They might have a study from some US "university" which shows that you know. Not the sort of study that deserves to be called a "paper" of course.

One more time. Stay abstinent before marriage. Get married. Stay abstinent forever ...



Which one are you glad of being an option? Abstinence or long-term relationship?

Abstinence can be taught as a method of reducing ones risk of STIs provided that other contraceptive methods are taught alongside it..

U think teaching that long term relationships lower STI risk is kind of pointless, since it is basically saying that a smaller number of sexual partners will have the same result. They are merely couching a small number of partners as a series of long term relationships to fit their preferred moral framework.

No, I think they really believe that married or long-term-relationship people shouldn't have sex.

I think teaching of long term relationships probably should be in the syllabus, with due caveats like don't trust a player, don't marry anyone without thinking it through and asking your friends, and long term is two weeks or less if your chosen partner turns out to be a turd. You know, all that personal development stuff.

The inference that seeking few sexual partners is the best, I disagree with. That choice is up to every young person. I'd be OK with teaching that seeking many sexual partners leads to higher risk of STI's. But this wasn't even about STI's?

[Jedi Council]

Abstinence can be taught as a method of reducing ones risk of STIs provided that other contraceptive methods are taught alongside it..

U think teaching that long term relationships lower STI risk is kind of pointless, since it is basically saying that a smaller number of sexual partners will have the same result. They are merely couching a small number of partners as a series of long term relationships to fit their preferred moral framework.

No, I think they really believe that married or long-term-relationship people shouldn't have sex.

I think teaching of long term relationships probably should be in the syllabus, with due caveats like don't trust a player, don't marry anyone without thinking it through and asking your friends, and long term is two weeks or less if your chosen partner turns out to be a turd. You know, all that personal development stuff.

The inference that seeking few sexual partners is the best, I disagree with. That choice is up to every young person. I'd be OK with teaching that seeking many sexual partners leads to higher risk of STI's. But this wasn't even about STI's?

Yes sorry that "U" was a typo, I meant to say "I."

Correct, I do not think that this policy was aimed directly at STIs which was my main problem with it, it was basically arguing that teachers must say the abstinence and long term relationships offer "the best outcomes."

[Slavakino]

Don't expect me to spend time digging for articles about how laws were changed early last year. The gun laws were unnecessarily restricted like any damn centre-left 'liberal' party does these days (inb4 banned for trolling). Not to mention sharing videos or photos of the actions of Christchurch can result in kiwis getting sent to jail for apparently spreading terrorist material. The only way to appropriately stop terrorism is though a strong intelligence service, all this gun banning crap is a load of horseshit and security theatre

Dont expect me to take your opinions at face value then if you are not going to back them up with evidence.

I think we are all aware of what happened at Christchurch; there is no need to share any photos or videos from that tragedy.

I don't keep lists of le sources and articles. Of course, sharing the video isn't a nice thing and can be horrific to some but it doesn't mean they deserve jail.

[Jedi Council]

Dont expect me to take your opinions at face value then if you are not going to back them up with evidence.

I think we are all aware of what happened at Christchurch; there is no need to share any photos or videos from that tragedy.

I don't keep lists of le sources and articles. Of course, sharing the video isn't a nice thing and can be horrific to some but it doesn't mean they deserve jail.

You do not need a list, you just need to look for sources or articles that back up your claims. After all, evidence is kind of a requirement around here if you want to be taken seriously.

I never said they did deserve it, and I still do not know if that has happened because you have not linked a source showing me that it has.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Could you source any of that? I'd hate to have to consider myself a fudd on your word alone..

Don't expect me to spend time digging for articles about how laws were changed early last year. The gun laws were unnecessarily restricted like any damn centre-left 'liberal' party does these days (inb4 banned for trolling). Not to mention sharing videos or photos of the actions of Christchurch can result in kiwis getting sent to jail for apparently spreading terrorist material. The only way to appropriately stop terrorism is though a strong intelligence service, all this gun banning crap is a load of horseshit and security theatre

Guns are disgusting, no-one but a farmer or a cop should have a gun. Wait, duly licensed hunters of feral animals can have one.

The photos and videos shot by a criminal in the process of committing a crime. Gee, I can't think why that is banned.
Privacy of the victims, that's reason enough.

[Drongonia]

I don't keep lists of le sources and articles. Of course, sharing the video isn't a nice thing and can be horrific to some but it doesn't mean they deserve jail.

You do not need a list, you just need to look for sources or articles that back up your claims. After all, evidence is kind of a requirement around here if you want to be taken seriously.

I never said they did deserve it, and I still do not know if that has happened because you have not linked a source showing me that it has.

It definitely happened.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/ ... ublication

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Dont expect me to take your opinions at face value then if you are not going to back them up with evidence.

I think we are all aware of what happened at Christchurch; there is no need to share any photos or videos from that tragedy.

I don't keep lists of le sources and articles. Of course, sharing the video isn't a nice thing and can be horrific to some but it doesn't mean they deserve jail.

Would you feel the same way if it's your dad getting shot in the video? Falling in a ridiculous position, dead?

[The Huskar Social Union]

Im not from NZ but id probably vote labour.

[Jedi Council]

You do not need a list, you just need to look for sources or articles that back up your claims. After all, evidence is kind of a requirement around here if you want to be taken seriously.

I never said they did deserve it, and I still do not know if that has happened because you have not linked a source showing me that it has.

It definitely happened.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/ ... ublication

All that story talks about is a teenager who is in court for sharing a live stream of the shooting, and several other disgusting, and hateful messages including a photo of the Mosque with the words "target acquired." He probably should be in that court room.

In any case, it says nothing about him going to jail for this, which was Slavakino's claim.

[Slavakino]

Don't expect me to spend time digging for articles about how laws were changed early last year. The gun laws were unnecessarily restricted like any damn centre-left 'liberal' party does these days (inb4 banned for trolling). Not to mention sharing videos or photos of the actions of Christchurch can result in kiwis getting sent to jail for apparently spreading terrorist material. The only way to appropriately stop terrorism is though a strong intelligence service, all this gun banning crap is a load of horseshit and security theatre

Guns are disgusting, no-one but a farmer or a cop should have a gun. Wait, duly licensed hunters of feral animals can have one.

The photos and videos shot by a criminal in the process of committing a crime. Gee, I can't think why that is banned.
Privacy of the victims, that's reason enough.

Guns should be allowed for the general populous. Anyone who is properly licensed and has no criminal record or is not mentally OK may not have a gun. Hell I'm even all out for owning a 200mm Howitzer or a Tank.

I don't keep lists of le sources and articles. Of course, sharing the video isn't a nice thing and can be horrific to some but it doesn't mean they deserve jail.

Would you feel the same way if it's your dad getting shot in the video? Falling in a ridiculous position, dead?

The only thing my dad has with that video is that he fought Muslim fighters in Bosnia. Come at me mods

[Jedi Council]

Guns are disgusting, no-one but a farmer or a cop should have a gun. Wait, duly licensed hunters of feral animals can have one.

The photos and videos shot by a criminal in the process of committing a crime. Gee, I can't think why that is banned.
Privacy of the victims, that's reason enough.

Guns should be allowed for the general populous. Anyone who is properly licensed and has no criminal record or is not mentally OK may not have a gun. Hell I'm even all out for owning a 200mm Howitzer or a Tank.

Would you feel the same way if it's your dad getting shot in the video? Falling in a ridiculous position, dead?

The only thing my dad has with that video is that he fought Muslim fighters in Bosnia. Come at me mods

Be careful what you wish for.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Guns are disgusting, no-one but a farmer or a cop should have a gun. Wait, duly licensed hunters of feral animals can have one.

The photos and videos shot by a criminal in the process of committing a crime. Gee, I can't think why that is banned.
Privacy of the victims, that's reason enough.

Guns should be allowed for the general populous. Anyone who is properly licensed and has no criminal record or is not mentally OK may not have a gun. Hell I'm even all out for owning a 200mm Howitzer or a Tank.

Would you feel the same way if it's your dad getting shot in the video? Falling in a ridiculous position, dead?

The only thing my dad has with that video is that he fought Muslim fighters in Bosnia. Come at me mods

The hell does that have to do with anything?

[Slavakino]

Guns should be allowed for the general populous. Anyone who is properly licensed and has no criminal record or is not mentally OK may not have a gun. Hell I'm even all out for owning a 200mm Howitzer or a Tank.



The only thing my dad has with that video is that he fought Muslim fighters in Bosnia. Come at me mods

The hell does that have to do with anything?

It was a stupid response but that argument is also stupid

[Nakena]

Don't expect me to spend time digging for articles about how laws were changed early last year. The gun laws were unnecessarily restricted like any damn centre-left 'liberal' party does these days (inb4 banned for trolling). Not to mention sharing videos or photos of the actions of Christchurch can result in kiwis getting sent to jail for apparently spreading terrorist material. The only way to appropriately stop terrorism is though a strong intelligence service, all this gun banning crap is a load of horseshit and security theatre

Guns are disgusting, no-one but a farmer or a cop should have a gun. Wait, duly licensed hunters of feral animals can have one.

The photos and videos shot by a criminal in the process of committing a crime. Gee, I can't think why that is banned.
Privacy of the victims, that's reason enough.

Fact is a lot of criminals have them. Not sure how it is in NZ, but in Europe it isnt horribly difficult to get a gun if you have the right connections.

Good news: That doesnt usually applies to the suburbanite middle-class amok shooter however. Those get their weapons from daddy's not so safe gun locker.

[Ravenni]

Greens aren't in the OP poll but they'll get my party vote, Labour will likely get my electorate vote unless by some misfortune I move to Epsom in the next three months. I don't want Labour to be ruling alone like they are on the latest polls, I want the Greens to be able to leverage some decent concessions out of them for a coalition/C&S and definitely want to see them above 5%.