Free the nipple:should women be able to go topless in public

[Lemmingtopias]

Why does going around topless make it ok for people to gawp at your breasts?

Yes, men have to accept that women/men can gawp and are allowed to gawp at their chests.

If we want equality then we'll go for 100% equality and not these double standards. Women want to go topless? Face the eyes.

But it isn't ok to gawp at someone's breasts (male or female) even if they are out and dangling in all their glory. Just don't gawp.

[Braberland]

Yes, men have to accept that women/men can gawp and are allowed to gawp at their chests.

If we want equality then we'll go for 100% equality and not these double standards. Women want to go topless? Face the eyes.

But it isn't ok to gawp at someone's breasts (male or female) even if they are out and dangling in all their glory. Just don't gawp.

So... You want to get rid of a double standard while supporting another double standard around the same topic?

Isn't that a bit biased?

[GraySoap]

Too many Europeans have not seen the landwhales that are "American women". You would not want public toplessness if you lived here.

[Arbolvine]

Not talking about women in general, huh?

"as the entire female (population should be here, sorry about that)" refers to the feminists such as Anita Sarkeesian and Zoe Quinn. Not the entire female population in the gaming industry since they're not screaming about "Misogyny!" amongst other things.
"A lot of people" is not the same as "all people". A lot can be 40%, 64% etc.

All right. Nevertheless, women just want to be treated as equals. There is nothing wrong with that. Too bad if some people are upset that women receive equal treatment.

[Arbolvine]

But it isn't ok to gawp at someone's breasts (male or female) even if they are out and dangling in all their glory. Just don't gawp.

So... You want to get rid of a double standard while supporting another double standard around the same topic?

Isn't that a bit biased?

No. They want both double standards erased.

[Skeckoa]

It makes too much sense given that men are granted that same ability.

I just can't begin to think about the shit that will pop all over the news regarding public transportation. Especially crowded public transportation. Ay ay ay I can already see public "discourse" way past the horizon.

[Arbolvine]

I just can't begin to think about the shit that will pop all over the news regarding public transportation. Especially crowded public transportation. Ay ay ay I can already see public "discourse" way past the horizon.

I had not thought about that. Still, the definition of sexual harassment would stand, and any--erm--misbehavior would be acted upon.
Also, I can't imagine women would want to go topless on public transport. As a guy, I only go topless in my home, and would certainly never board a bus with my chest bare.

[Suicune]

The only time I've seen guys shirtless on public transport is after a trip to the beach or pool or something. If someone is going to grab a woman's breast without consent, clothes aren't gonna stop them.

Also breasts have nothing to do with sex, biologically. If I kiss a woman's neck during sex, does that make her neck biologically sexual?

[The United Tribes of Freedom]

So... You want to get rid of a double standard while supporting another double standard around the same topic?

Isn't that a bit biased?

No. They want both double standards erased.

No actually, what this person is saying is that, even if a woman's breasts are exposed, and she chose to have them exposed in public, that it is not acceptable to stare at them. However, if she chooses to have them out, then she should expect for people to stare.

[Shofercia]

"Should women be allowed to 'go topless' in areas where men are allowed the same privilege?"

Absolutely! The question is, should they be required to go topless where men are also required to go topless?

Absolutely to that too!

[Threlizdun]

Too many Europeans have not seen the landwhales that are "American women". You would not want public toplessness if you lived here.

Body shaming such as this is the precise thing that top freedom could help society overcome.

It makes too much sense given that men are granted that same ability.

I just can't begin to think about the shit that will pop all over the news regarding public transportation. Especially crowded public transportation. Ay ay ay I can already see public "discourse" way past the horizon.

Which is why societies that allow female toplessness see everything fall apart the instance a topless woman passes by... Oh, wait, that never happens. Seriously, they're just breasts.

No. They want both double standards erased.

No actually, what this person is saying is that, even if a woman's breasts are exposed, and she chose to have them exposed in public, that it is not acceptable to stare at them. However, if she chooses to have them out, then she should expect for people to stare.

Erm, no. They don't say the second part at any point. They are however saying that ogling people's chest without their consent isn't okay.

"Should women be allowed to 'go topless' in areas where men are allowed the same privilege?"

Absolutely! The question is, should they be required to go topless where men are also required to go topless?

Absolutely to that too!

No, that definitely isn't what the question should be.

[Braberland]

Too many Europeans have not seen the landwhales that are "American women". You would not want public toplessness if you lived here.

Body shaming such as this is the precise thing that top freedom could help society overcome.

It makes too much sense given that men are granted that same ability.

I just can't begin to think about the shit that will pop all over the news regarding public transportation. Especially crowded public transportation. Ay ay ay I can already see public "discourse" way past the horizon.

Which is why societies that allow female toplessness see everything fall apart the instance a topless woman passes by... Oh, wait, that never happens. Seriously, they're just breasts.

No actually, what this person is saying is that, even if a woman's breasts are exposed, and she chose to have them exposed in public, that it is not acceptable to stare at them. However, if she chooses to have them out, then she should expect for people to stare.

Erm, no. They don't say the second part at any point. They are however saying that ogling people's chest without their consent isn't okay.

"Should women be allowed to 'go topless' in areas where men are allowed the same privilege?"

Absolutely! The question is, should they be required to go topless where men are also required to go topless?

Absolutely to that too!

No, that definitely isn't what the question should be.

Honestly, it IS acceptable to stare at their breasts. I'm going full social marxist here: We can stare at men's bare chests, then we can stare at women's bare chests.

Don't like it? Then don't scream about 'muh bare chests!' since you can't have one without the other or you'll recreate a 'sexist' problem.

[Dyakovo]

Honestly, it IS acceptable to stare at their breasts. I'm going full social marxist here: We can stare at men's bare chests, then we can stare at women's bare chests.

Don't like it? Then don't scream about 'muh bare chests!' since you can't have one without the other or you'll recreate a 'sexist' problem.

Actually, no, it really isn't acceptable... Staring is rude (and potentially quite creepy as well) regardless of whether the person you're staring it is male or female.

[Braberland]

Honestly, it IS acceptable to stare at their breasts. I'm going full social marxist here: We can stare at men's bare chests, then we can stare at women's bare chests.

Don't like it? Then don't scream about 'muh bare chests!' since you can't have one without the other or you'll recreate a 'sexist' problem.

Actually, no, it really isn't acceptable... Staring is rude (and potentially quite creepy as well) regardless of whether the person you're staring it is male or female.

Then don't go barechested into public areas.

Yet I'm not allowed to say that to women from feminists, hmm...

[Dyakovo]

Actually, no, it really isn't acceptable... Staring is rude (and potentially quite creepy as well) regardless of whether the person you're staring it is male or female.

Then don't go barechested into public areas.

Yet I'm not allowed to say that to women from feminists, hmm...

The responsibility to not be rude/creepy falls on you, not the person being stared at.

[Braberland]

Then don't go barechested into public areas.

Yet I'm not allowed to say that to women from feminists, hmm...

The responsibility to not be rude/creepy falls on you, not the person being stared at.

People stare at me for being a gothic, it's their responsibility too now?

You cannot expect everyone to act what you want everything to be.

[Aahmerica]

Well, if it were to become the norm, I'd be unable to leave the house.

[Keyboard Warriors]

The responsibility to not be rude/creepy falls on you, not the person being stared at.

People stare at me for being a gothic, it's their responsibility too now?

You cannot expect everyone to act what you want everything to be.

Yes, it is their responsibility. Staring is rude and there's no ifs or buts about it. And if they are not going to act in a way which I think they should act, I'll use my freedom of speech to call them out and make them feel like a creep. Nobody should have to tolerate rude behavior, staring or otherwise.

[Dyakovo]

The responsibility to not be rude/creepy falls on you, not the person being stared at.

People stare at me for being a gothic, it's their responsibility too now?

Yes.

[Dyakovo]

Well, if it were to become the norm, I'd be unable to leave the house.

Why?

[Braberland]

People stare at me for being a gothic, it's their responsibility too now?

You cannot expect everyone to act what you want everything to be.

Yes, it is their responsibility. Staring is rude and there's no ifs or buts about it. And if they are not going to act in a way which I think they should act, I'll use my freedom of speech to call them out and make them feel like a creep. Nobody should have to tolerate rude behavior, staring or otherwise.

Yes but that falls down to my original thought that it can be legal but that there shouldn't be rules against looking at a woman's chest. Sure you can be against that but going barechested into the public as a woman (or man) you should get prepared to face these kind of facts. After all, it's still your choice.

[Keyboard Warriors]

Yes, it is their responsibility. Staring is rude and there's no ifs or buts about it. And if they are not going to act in a way which I think they should act, I'll use my freedom of speech to call them out and make them feel like a creep. Nobody should have to tolerate rude behavior, staring or otherwise.

Yes but that falls down to my original thought that it can be legal but that there shouldn't be rules against looking at a woman's chest. Sure you can be against that but going barechested into the public as a woman (or man) you should get prepared to face these kind of facts. After all, it's still your choice.

Continued staring at anybody can fall under harassment charges, as they should. It shouldn't be legal to harass somebody long after they've told you to stop and no, you don't have the freedom to stare at anything or anyone you please. The right to feel safe in public will always take precedent over the right for sexual gratification, or the right to be a dick, or whatever right is being coined here.

[Braberland]

Continued staring at anybody can fall under harassment charges, as they should.

That's only in Qatar as far as I know, staring will probably never be illegal.

[Ratateague]

The Minoans were onto something. Why on earth did we regress?

[Twilight Imperium]

The Minoans were onto something. Why on earth did we regress?

I blame the Catholics, personally.