Civilian uses of body cameras?

[Santoak]

I still don't like the implication that there is nothing I can do but take it, if Feminism tries to hurt me. Like I said, the Mike Pence rule insulates yourself from accusations but it also goes too far in that it can count as discrimination based on sex if a trend can be proven. My intentions are good if I'm trying to devise workarounds that will be of mutual benefit. It is perhaps just a matter of getting companies on board. I hope what I want becomes law or at least is an option in the future.

Pretty sure feminism isn’t out to get you

Not sure about that mate. Feminism once levitated man and reduced him to a pink mist. Everyone clapped.

True story, I was the mist.

[Floofybit]

Pretty sure feminism isn’t out to get you

Not sure about that mate. Feminism once levitated man and reduced him to a pink mist. Everyone clapped.

True story, I was the mist.

[Saiwana]

I suspect that if you tried this at my place of business, you would get into a fair amount of trouble for recording potentially confidential information. Would be fired regardless of the truth of any sexual harassment accusations. And would be sued regardless of the truth of any sexual harassment accusations. And they would probably want your recordings destroyed.

If people can't count on their workplace to protect them to any extent in allegation disputes, does it not make more sense for people to not sign any contracts or agree to any unfavorable terms ahead of time? This will only be effective unfortunately, if enough men across the board boycott any one company that has any track record of throwing them under the bus once enough certain coworkers are dissatisfied with their office politics. Too many people unfortunately, will take the money.

The only alternative I can think of now, is to maybe hire an unbiased coworker to sit in on any meetings alone I have with any scenarios that concern me and try to make it so I won't attend unless my sidekick is present as well.

[Floofybit]

Any way this could sufficienly work is an absolute must

No it isn't.

No, it would inevitably make the world a better place

[Neanderthaland]

I suspect that if you tried this at my place of business, you would get into a fair amount of trouble for recording potentially confidential information. Would be fired regardless of the truth of any sexual harassment accusations. And would be sued regardless of the truth of any sexual harassment accusations. And they would probably want your recordings destroyed.

If people can't count on their workplace to protect them to any extent in allegation disputes, does it not make more sense for people to not sign any contracts or agree to any unfavorable terms ahead of time?

Do you have a job?

[Christian Confederation]

The fact that we have to even discuss this is a sad reflection on the State of the world post me too.

[Thermodolia]

If people can't count on their workplace to protect them to any extent in allegation disputes, does it not make more sense for people to not sign any contracts or agree to any unfavorable terms ahead of time?

Do you have a job?

He does actually, it’s some sort of tech job

[Floofybit]

The fact that we have to even discuss this is a sad reflection on the State of the world post me too.

In what ways?

[Also Not FNU]

Unfounded paranoia is no reason to go setting cameras every where. If you're worried about someone back tracking on consent, then either don't engage or request a verbal recording of the consent before engaging in such an action. Otherwise there's no reason (outside of forced situations, in which case it's perfectly reasonable that one may be concerned for their own well being in an excessive fashion) to be constantly afraid that someone is going to accuse you of something. You have nothing to worry about unless you're hiding something.

[The Sherpa Empire]

Well you're not going to keep it if you go in wearing a camera.

That is what I consider to be a real problem. I'm searching for solutions, like ways to have the camera be concealed or to look like an ordinary button on my clothing. Even wearing a wire would be better than having no proof at all to back up my side of the story, if any disputes come up. I'm not going to be in a large environment full of other people as of yet. This is a small server room I'll be learning my craft from.

Have you considered just starting the job and seeing how it goes?

[Ifreann]

I suspect that if you tried this at my place of business, you would get into a fair amount of trouble for recording potentially confidential information. Would be fired regardless of the truth of any sexual harassment accusations. And would be sued regardless of the truth of any sexual harassment accusations. And they would probably want your recordings destroyed.

If people can't count on their workplace to protect them to any extent in allegation disputes, does it not make more sense for people to not sign any contracts or agree to any unfavorable terms ahead of time? This will only be effective unfortunately, if enough men across the board boycott any one company that has any track record of throwing them under the bus once enough certain coworkers are dissatisfied with their office politics. Too many people unfortunately, will take the money.

The only alternative I can think of now, is to maybe hire an unbiased coworker to sit in on any meetings alone I have with any scenarios that concern me and try to make it so I won't attend unless my sidekick is present as well.

No one's going to go on strike to get their bosses to spy on them more.

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No it isn't.

No, it would inevitably make the world a better place

For once it is actually relevant for you to go read 1984.

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The fact that we have to even discuss this is a sad reflection on the State of the world post me too.

The fact that a fascist has been convinced by other fascists that women are all evil and out to get him doesn't actually reflect on anything except that fascist and, by virtue of this post, you.

[United Calanworie]

Your intentions are obviously misogynist.

How are women meaningfully hurt by what I propose, if they're hurt more by if the "Mike Pence rule" is followed with no modifications to try to make it fairer towards women?

"How can somebody be hurt if they're going to be hurt *more* by this other thing!" is like saying "how can you be hurt if you're stabbed when you'd be hurt *more* if I shot you!" The two ideas can coexist at the same time.

Me and other men only want sufficient enough evidence to exonerate us of any wrongdoing or rumors if nothing happened behind closed doors. The alternative is that more men intentionally do their utmost to try to exclude women if it isn't walking on eggshells around them. Is it not 100% equal if the women are allowed to have body cameras as well, to record any men either showing professional restraint or crossing over into being too forward in one on one business meetings or circumstances?

I feel like you're thinking that every woman in the world is out to accuse a man of sexual harassment/assault. Which is obviously not true.

Whoever does wrong first, should be getting fired or disciplined depending on the company whims. If the footage can't be edited, it will undoubtedly be unbiased. But I deserve to be condemned by more than just words if someone else simply doesn't like me?

Well (and this is wild, I know) we do have a standard of proof in our society that's greater than "he said she said."

tl;dr don't sexually harass your coworkers and you won't get fired for sexual harassment. Weird, that.

[Drongonia]

Well you're not going to keep it if you go in wearing a camera.

That is what I consider to be a real problem. I'm searching for solutions, like ways to have the camera be concealed or to look like an ordinary button on my clothing. Even wearing a wire would be better than having no proof at all to back up my side of the story, if any disputes come up. I'm not going to be in a large environment full of other people as of yet. This is a small server room I'll be learning my craft from.

I would simply suggest staying away from women if you think it's that much of an issue. If it's just a temp gig, who cares if they say you're creating a hostile work environment by not talking to them?

[The United Penguin Commonwealth]

it's interesting that someone paranoid enough to think they need one of these is not paranoid enough to be mistrustful of the companies making them.

[Stanistani]

My career lasted for 44 years, and I was never accused of impropriety. How? I gained a reputation for not gossiping, making uncouth remarks, and protecting people from predators and bullies wherever I had authority.

If you show respect, you earn respect.

Another tip: Keep intimate relationships separate from work.

[Juansonia]

I'll say this again:

1. Cops are never punished, even if bodycam footage shows them torturing and killing an unarmed civillian
2. Cyclists are always to blame, even if bodycam footage shows that they weren't at fault
3. Saiwana says that bodycam footage will protect people from sexual harrasment and false accusations thereof

How do you reconcile 3 with 1 and 2?

[Floofybit]

I'll say this again:

1. Cops are never punished, even if bodycam footage shows them torturing and killing an unarmed civillian
2. Cyclists are always to blame, even if bodycam footage shows that they weren't at fault
3. Saiwana says that bodycam footage will protect people from sexual harrasment and false accusations thereof

How do you reconcile 3 with 1 and 2?

1 and 2 may be right sometimes, but only sometimes. Not all the time

[Portzania]

I'll say this again:

1. Cops are never punished, even if bodycam footage shows them torturing and killing an unarmed civillian
2. Cyclists are always to blame, even if bodycam footage shows that they weren't at fault
3. Saiwana says that bodycam footage will protect people from sexual harrasment and false accusations thereof

How do you reconcile 3 with 1 and 2?

Even if 1 is partially true, it is never all the time, especially outside the US
2. I've never seen this
3. I somewhat agree with this, but seems like it could be abused

[Floofybit]

I'll say this again:

1. Cops are never punished, even if bodycam footage shows them torturing and killing an unarmed civillian
2. Cyclists are always to blame, even if bodycam footage shows that they weren't at fault
3. Saiwana says that bodycam footage will protect people from sexual harrasment and false accusations thereof

How do you reconcile 3 with 1 and 2?

Even if 1 is partially true, it is never all the time, especially outside the US
2. I've never seen this
3. I somewhat agree with this, but seems like it could be abused

How could it be abused?

[Portzania]

Even if 1 is partially true, it is never all the time, especially outside the US
2. I've never seen this
3. I somewhat agree with this, but seems like it could be abused

How could it be abused?

By using it for its unintended functions.

[Floofybit]

How could it be abused?

By using it for its unintended functions.

Such as...

[Dtn]

I want to wear a body camera at work and in public to protect my good name, but do you?

"this creepy dude keeps filming me with his dorky body cam"

[United Boer Republics]

I'll say this again:

1. Cops are never punished, even if bodycam footage shows them torturing and killing an unarmed civillian
2. Cyclists are always to blame, even if bodycam footage shows that they weren't at fault
3. Saiwana says that bodycam footage will protect people from sexual harrasment and false accusations thereof

How do you reconcile 3 with 1 and 2?

I have a couple problems with one. First, you imply that cops can get away with anything they want and not get punished? The goal of the police force is to protect and serve so if they break this code by doing something unjust they will get punished, and the reason we don’t see it a lot is because most cops are good people. Second, torturing an innocent civilian? Yeah, maybe a single rascist redneck in Mississippi who somehow made the police force but 90% of the time cops are accused of hurting someone because of “racially-motivated” shit like that they aren’t and it just happens the guy who robbed a store or brutally beat his wife/girlfriend had a weapon and was attempting to strike the officer. Most cops are good, don’t let the few bad fool you.

[Jabberwocky]

Mama don't take my Kodachrome away.

[The Black Forrest]

I'll say this again:

1. Cops are never punished, even if bodycam footage shows them torturing and killing an unarmed civillian
2. Cyclists are always to blame, even if bodycam footage shows that they weren't at fault
3. Saiwana says that bodycam footage will protect people from sexual harrasment and false accusations thereof

How do you reconcile 3 with 1 and 2?

The police in the Tyre Nichols killing were not punished?
Cyclists are always at fault? Well; I saw an incident where it was the drivers fault.
Sai says many strange things.