Former Nuncio Viganò warns of Great Reset

[Katganistan]

Church needs to stay the hell out of government, and conspiracy theories.

[Luminesa]

I did some thinking, and already the angry people are coming out of the woodworks saying that the Church needs to stay out of things. However, I’d like to clarify some things for the people who are open to listening. Let’s clarify some things that I think are not being represented in this equation.

1.) The Church, since the beginning of this pandemic, has been praying for an end to the coronavirus. This includes the fact that they are praying for a vaccine. I say this because EWTN has frequently included prayers for a vaccine among their general intentions at Mass. Pope Francis himself did a mini-pilgrimage, alone, around Rome, holding a crucifix and praying the Rosary for an end to COVID-19. HE has been praying for a vaccine. Unfortunately in this case I believe that Bishop(?) Viganò does not represent the views of the entire Magisterium. The Church ultimately pushes for what will be best for the common good, according to the Catechism, and in this case, a vaccine is for the common good.

2.) Vaccines are already mandated for children (at least in the US and I imagine Canada) to enter into kindergarten. Even some daycares require a flu vaccine (because small children get sick literally out of nowhere). It would be no different to require a vaccine for all people in such a time as this.

3.) None of this seems to be properly sourced, at least not from light reading. This should also be put into the CDT, as it is a topic related to Christianity and probably would be better placed in there, imo.

4.) Catholics should not allow themselves to live in fear. However, they should live responsibly and with the intent to protect the vulnerable and the weak. If we are to be pro-life, we should wear masks when our dioceses ask us to wear masks, in order that we may fight this disease which very much attacks the vulnerable. As for fighting fear, we must remain vigilant and prayerful, and we must hope in God through this miserable year. Remember that all things are possible with God, and that includes pulling through a very divisive, bloody year in our world’s history.

God bless!

[Diahon]

what nonsense is this?

[New haven america]

ok

[Diahon]

I did some thinking, and already the angry people are coming out of the woodworks saying that the Church needs to stay out of things. However, I’d like to clarify some things for the people who are open to listening. Let’s clarify some things that I think are not being represented in this equation.

1.) The Church, since the beginning of this pandemic, has been praying for an end to the coronavirus. This includes the fact that they are praying for a vaccine. I say this because EWTN has frequently included prayers for a vaccine among their general intentions at Mass. Pope Francis himself did a mini-pilgrimage, alone, around Rome, holding a crucifix and praying the Rosary for an end to COVID-19. HE has been praying for a vaccine. Unfortunately in this case I believe that Bishop(?) Viganò does not represent the views of the entire Magisterium. The Church ultimately pushes for what will be best for the common good, according to the Catechism, and in this case, a vaccine is for the common good.

2.) Vaccines are already mandated for children (at least in the US and I imagine Canada) to enter into kindergarten. Even some daycares require a flu vaccine (because small children get sick literally out of nowhere). It would be no different to require a vaccine for all people in such a time as this.

3.) None of this seems to be properly sourced, at least not from light reading. This should also be put into the CDT, as it is a topic related to Christianity and probably would be better placed in there, imo.

4.) Catholics should not allow themselves to live in fear. However, they should live responsibly and with the intent to protect the vulnerable and the weak. If we are to be pro-life, we should wear masks when our dioceses ask us to wear masks, in order that we may fight this disease which very much attacks the vulnerable. As for fighting fear, we must remain vigilant and prayerful, and we must hope in God through this miserable year. Remember that all things are possible with God, and that includes pulling through a very divisive, bloody year in our world’s history.

God bless!

how reflective is vigano's theorizing of the clerical opposition to francis, though? from what i hear, the movement against his more radical pronouncements and positions has been unusually vigorous as of late

[Pan Evropa]

Archbishop Vigano is a fringe figure in the Catholic Church who has been living in hiding for the past few years. He has been moving further and further to the right of the Church that he's probably the most conservative (traditionalist) figure in communion with the Church other than Bishop Bernard Fellay of the Society of Saint Pius X.

how reflective is vigano's theorizing of the clerical opposition to francis, though? from what i hear, the movement against his more radical pronouncements and positions has been unusually vigorous as of late

Vigano is far to the right of any mainstream conservatives (think Benedict XVI, Cdl. Sarah) or even traditionalists (Cdl. Burke, Abp. Schneider etc.) in the Church. What he says shouldn't be taken as representative of any opinions except that of a small but vocal minority of traditional Catholics.

[Costa Fierro]

A high-ranking Catholic Archbishop, Carlo Maria Viganò, who was the former nuncio (ambassador) from the Vatican to the USA, just sent an open letter to President Trump warning him of what he terms "evil" forces planning a great reset, where freedom will be sacrificed to have one's debt reset, and any who refuse to do so will be imprisoned and have their assets confiscated. The justification will be Covid -19, and new strains of Covid, that require the surrendering of personal freedoms to ensure everyone is vaccinated.

This sounds fantastic.

[Lost Memories]

Vigano is a nutjob, not much to say. It's very fitting for him to be running these conspiracy theories.
If only someone up there in the catholic hierarchy had the decency of deflocking him, and be done once for all with his madness.

[Luminesa]

I did some thinking, and already the angry people are coming out of the woodworks saying that the Church needs to stay out of things. However, I’d like to clarify some things for the people who are open to listening. Let’s clarify some things that I think are not being represented in this equation.

1.) The Church, since the beginning of this pandemic, has been praying for an end to the coronavirus. This includes the fact that they are praying for a vaccine. I say this because EWTN has frequently included prayers for a vaccine among their general intentions at Mass. Pope Francis himself did a mini-pilgrimage, alone, around Rome, holding a crucifix and praying the Rosary for an end to COVID-19. HE has been praying for a vaccine. Unfortunately in this case I believe that Bishop(?) Viganò does not represent the views of the entire Magisterium. The Church ultimately pushes for what will be best for the common good, according to the Catechism, and in this case, a vaccine is for the common good.

2.) Vaccines are already mandated for children (at least in the US and I imagine Canada) to enter into kindergarten. Even some daycares require a flu vaccine (because small children get sick literally out of nowhere). It would be no different to require a vaccine for all people in such a time as this.

3.) None of this seems to be properly sourced, at least not from light reading. This should also be put into the CDT, as it is a topic related to Christianity and probably would be better placed in there, imo.

4.) Catholics should not allow themselves to live in fear. However, they should live responsibly and with the intent to protect the vulnerable and the weak. If we are to be pro-life, we should wear masks when our dioceses ask us to wear masks, in order that we may fight this disease which very much attacks the vulnerable. As for fighting fear, we must remain vigilant and prayerful, and we must hope in God through this miserable year. Remember that all things are possible with God, and that includes pulling through a very divisive, bloody year in our world’s history.

God bless!

how reflective is vigano's theorizing of the clerical opposition to francis, though? from what i hear, the movement against his more radical pronouncements and positions has been unusually vigorous as of late

I have not honestly paid much attention to Nuncio Viganò, solely because there are a lot of fringe elements who think Pope Francis is the smoke of Satan and who are falling deeper into conspiracies. Many people are falling into conspiracies, even good Catholics who simply are afraid of what comes next. Those who read the Bible, the Catechism, and who pray should know that we are in a time of deep, deep division, but should not be afraid by it. Jesus did say this would happen, after all.

[Pan Evropa]

Vigano is a nutjob, not much to say. It's very fitting for him to be running these conspiracy theories.
If only someone up there in the catholic hierarchy had the decency of deflocking him, and be done once for all with his madness.

He hasn't done anything warranting it.

[Cordel One]

Exactly, the wealthy already do influence the world and exploit the people. That's just capitalism though, not some weird conspiracy.

Capitalism is a conspiracy though, change my mind.

You have a point.

[Lost Memories]

Vigano is a nutjob, not much to say. It's very fitting for him to be running these conspiracy theories.
If only someone up there in the catholic hierarchy had the decency of deflocking him, and be done once for all with his madness.

He hasn't done anything warranting it.

He is pretty much sowing division from inside, his presence is pretty negative overall.
But yeah, priests aren't deflocked only because they are a pain in the ass. There needs to be a flagrant theological violation, or a personal renouce to the role.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I’ll take “bullshit conspiracy theories” for $500, Alex.

[Exalted Inquellian State]

This might be true in some cases. I can see dictators trying to use the "coronaphobia" to further their own power. Still, i don't think it will be widespread, and I doubt it would happen on a huge scale in the US, as it would likely be struck down.

[Picairn]

He does seem to be high on something other than Jesus, I agree.

He must be buddies with Moses in smoking all that burning bush.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

He does seem to be high on something other than Jesus, I agree.

He must be buddies with Moses in smoking all that burning bush.

A bit of burning bush never hurt anyone. I think he's been getting into the Wormwood, or maybe Mandrake Root.

[Diahon]

He must be buddies with Moses in smoking all that burning bush.

A bit of burning bush never hurt anyone. I think he's been getting into the Wormwood, or maybe Mandrake Root.

*guitar solos deep purple*

[Stellar Colonies]

I've been seeing rumors of a 'Great Reset' bouncing around for a while, but I wasn't able to figure out exactly what it was when I tried to look into it.

This though...he seems nutty.

[Diahon]

I've been seeing rumors of a 'Great Reset' bouncing around for a while, but I wasn't able to figure out exactly what it was when I tried to look into it.

This though...he seems nutty.

basically, it's what policymakers and entrepreneurs should do in a world reshaped by this pandemic

nothing sinister about it at all, except to people who are suspicious of any collective initiatives that didn't come from themselves and that don't boost their standings and desires

[Bassoe]

basically, it's what policymakers and entrepreneurs should do in a world reshaped by this pandemic

Googling it, it sounds more like a corporatist's fantasy. The majority of the population owns nothing, renting the bare necessities of survival from colossal totalitarian megacorporations who can cut them off for anything but total obedience. It'd be George Pullman and the age of company scrip all over again. I don't see what this has to do with fixing the Covid Crash, just allowing the wealthy and powerful to profit from it.

You want to fix things, give people money. Most of the anti-quarantine protesting stems from the fact that the average american cannot afford a few months without a paycheck and our social safety net is hopelessly broken, making it a choice between certain death by starving in the street vs uncertain death by infection. Take what you think is a reasonable sum, then double, no, triple it. Give it to every citizen and small business. Don't give us bullshit about fiscal responsibility and not devaluing the currency, you've never had trouble with those issues when handing over boatloads of money straight from the taxpayer or printer as 'bailouts' to your campaign donator megacorporations.

This is the correct answer. And it would have worked already if it was the first response, and it could still work if it was implemented starting right now. Also, make sure to give money out directly to people and not to states so the states can't just treat it as income and use it for some other program or tax break while denying it to the people who actually need it.

[Pope Saint Peter the Apostle]

"The Great Reset" was coined by, iirc, the WEForum to refer to certain legislative and cultural trends. It's not a conspiracy. Sigh.

[The Holy Therns]

Great Reset? Needs a rebranding. How about a Great Turning It Off And On Again?

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Great Reset? Needs a rebranding. How about a Great Turning It Off And On Again?

"Is it plugged into the wall?" -- "Uh, yes"
"OK, is there smoke coming out of it?" -- "Mygod yes!"
"Is it white smoke or black smoke?" -- "White, mostly"
"You just have to keep waiting, it will fix itself"

[Greed and Death]

NOW the Catholic Church is concerned with bodily autonomy? That's quite a 180 from the people who want little girls to be forced to give birth and who cover up the priest abuse of boys.

This is some QAnon level shit.

Trump now has the religious approval he needs to begin operation slam dunk.

[Stylan]

The Great Reset is extremely worrying, it's essentially the final stage of neoliberalism, wherein everything is commodified.