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Postby Lost Memories » Sun Jan 31, 2021 9:45 am

Tarsonis wrote:I think we could all do with meditating on the wise words of St. Frankie

Lord, make me an instrument of your peace:
where there is hatred, let me sow love;
where there is injury, pardon;
where there is doubt, faith;
where there is despair, hope;
where there is darkness, light;
where there is sadness, joy.

O divine Master, grant that I may not so much seek
to be consoled as to console,
to be understood as to understand,
to be loved as to love.
For it is in giving that we receive,
it is in pardoning that we are pardoned,
and it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.
Amen.

That's pretty close to the prayer for the deceivers which I was looking for. Thanks for bringing that up.


I've tweaked my previous attempt, to make it more imperative from God.


Oh good God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit
who sanctified the world through the Blessed Virgin Mary
Make the truth shine forth, in those who spread the darkness of lies
Give peace, to those who are full of hatred
Purify them, from rancour and deception
Deliver them, from their vainglory, the source of sin
Guide them to the comfort of fraternity with their neighbour
and in rediscovering themselves as your beloved children, oh eternal and unique God.
Amen
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Postby Banbardi » Sun Jan 31, 2021 11:23 am

Albrenia wrote:
Banbardi wrote:thank god for sin since he created it


As much as I may agree with the sentiment, it's kind of rude to say such things in the Christian thread and not provide them with something to respond to and talk about.

their response should be a defense of the scam they call a religion

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Postby Kowani » Sun Jan 31, 2021 12:03 pm

Banbardi wrote:
Albrenia wrote:
As much as I may agree with the sentiment, it's kind of rude to say such things in the Christian thread and not provide them with something to respond to and talk about.

their response should be a defense of the scam they call a religion

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Postby The Marlborough » Sun Jan 31, 2021 12:07 pm

Banbardi wrote:
Albrenia wrote:
As much as I may agree with the sentiment, it's kind of rude to say such things in the Christian thread and not provide them with something to respond to and talk about.

their response should be a defense of the scam they call a religion

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Postby Lost Memories » Sun Jan 31, 2021 12:10 pm

People usually ask for attention when they have something they want to talk about.
Just lend your ears to them, so that they may free themselves from some of their burden.
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"The whole is something else than the sum of its parts" -Kurt Koffka

A fox tried to reach some grapes hanging high on the vine, but was unable to.
As he went away, the fox remarked 'Oh, you aren't even ripe yet!'
As such are people who speak disparagingly of things that they cannot attain.
-The Fox and the Grapes

"Dictionaries don't decide what words mean. Prescriptivism is the ultimate form of elitism." -United Muscovite Nations
or subtle illiteracy, or lazy sidetracking. Just fucking follow the context. And ask when in doubt.

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We're all a bit stupid and ignorant, just be humble about it.

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Postby Farnhamia » Sun Jan 31, 2021 12:30 pm

Banbardi wrote:
Albrenia wrote:
As much as I may agree with the sentiment, it's kind of rude to say such things in the Christian thread and not provide them with something to respond to and talk about.

their response should be a defense of the scam they call a religion

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Postby Salus Maior » Sun Jan 31, 2021 12:38 pm

Albrenia wrote:
Banbardi wrote:thank god for sin since he created it


As much as I may agree with the sentiment, it's kind of rude to say such things in the Christian thread and not provide them with something to respond to and talk about.


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Postby Rosmana » Sun Jan 31, 2021 12:52 pm

Well, my book is nearly done, feels weird, been working on it for at least 3 years. :)
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Postby Aeritai » Sun Jan 31, 2021 3:10 pm

Rosmana wrote:Well, my book is nearly done, feels weird, been working on it for at least 3 years. :)


Sounds great! What's the book about?
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Postby Rosmana » Sun Jan 31, 2021 3:12 pm

Aeritai wrote:
Rosmana wrote:Well, my book is nearly done, feels weird, been working on it for at least 3 years. :)


Sounds great! What's the book about?

A schism in the Holy Mother Church, (Roman Catholic) broadly, with a lot of interesting, deep characters. :)
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Postby Banbardi » Sun Jan 31, 2021 4:21 pm

all these christians ignoring how god created us and then created sin plus hell so he can send you there if you sin really paints how they cope with modernity smashing their religion into increasingly smaller and weaker fragments like a pane of glass being pushed down a set of stairs

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Postby Sundiata » Sun Jan 31, 2021 4:33 pm

Banbardi wrote:all these christians ignoring how god created us and then created sin plus hell so he can send you there if you sin really paints how they cope with modernity smashing their religion into increasingly smaller and weaker fragments like a pane of glass being pushed down a set of stairs

One thing at a time please, I'm a slow reader. :p God did create us, yes. Now, why do you think that sin exists? What have you heard?
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Postby Punished UMN » Sun Jan 31, 2021 4:34 pm

Banbardi wrote:all these christians ignoring how god created us and then created sin plus hell so he can send you there if you sin really paints how they cope with modernity smashing their religion into increasingly smaller and weaker fragments like a pane of glass being pushed down a set of stairs

We're not ignoring theodicy, we're ignoring you, most likely in a similar manner to that in which your peers ignored you throughout childhood and adolescence.
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Postby Sundiata » Sun Jan 31, 2021 4:35 pm

Punished UMN wrote:
Banbardi wrote:all these christians ignoring how god created us and then created sin plus hell so he can send you there if you sin really paints how they cope with modernity smashing their religion into increasingly smaller and weaker fragments like a pane of glass being pushed down a set of stairs

We're not ignoring theodicy, we're ignoring you, most likely in a similar manner to that in which your peers ignored you throughout childhood and adolescence.

Too far.
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Postby Sundiata » Sun Jan 31, 2021 4:36 pm

Aeritai wrote:
Rosmana wrote:Well, my book is nearly done, feels weird, been working on it for at least 3 years. :)


Sounds great! What's the book about?

It's about me! :rofl:
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Postby Tarsonis » Sun Jan 31, 2021 4:37 pm

Punished UMN wrote:
Banbardi wrote:all these christians ignoring how god created us and then created sin plus hell so he can send you there if you sin really paints how they cope with modernity smashing their religion into increasingly smaller and weaker fragments like a pane of glass being pushed down a set of stairs

We're not ignoring theodicy, we're ignoring you, most likely in a similar manner to that in which your peers ignored you throughout childhood and adolescence.


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Postby Sundiata » Sun Jan 31, 2021 4:53 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Punished UMN wrote:We're not ignoring theodicy, we're ignoring you, most likely in a similar manner to that in which your peers ignored you throughout childhood and adolescence.


Don't engage the trolls.

Understood.
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Postby The Marlborough » Sun Jan 31, 2021 7:28 pm

Sundiata may I ask why you have Max Stirner as your pfp?
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Postby Sundiata » Sun Jan 31, 2021 7:34 pm

The Marlborough wrote:Sundiata may I ask why you have Max Stirner as your pfp?

I thought it was a funny joke after reading The Ego and Its Own and Stirner's Critics. It's a personal reminder for myself not to be too prideful or narcissistic.

I struggle greatly with the sin of pride.
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Postby Banbardi » Sun Jan 31, 2021 11:48 pm

Punished UMN wrote:
Banbardi wrote:all these christians ignoring how god created us and then created sin plus hell so he can send you there if you sin really paints how they cope with modernity smashing their religion into increasingly smaller and weaker fragments like a pane of glass being pushed down a set of stairs

We're not ignoring theodicy, we're ignoring you, most likely in a similar manner to that in which your peers ignored you throughout childhood and adolescence.

theodicy sounds awfully similar to theoidiocy

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Postby A-Series-Of-Tubes » Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:47 am

Banbardi wrote:
Punished UMN wrote:We're not ignoring theodicy, we're ignoring you, most likely in a similar manner to that in which your peers ignored you throughout childhood and adolescence.

theodicy sounds awfully similar to theoidiocy


Theodicy.

The other one is your own invention. If it means "I know nothing about God" it might catch on!
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Postby Lost Memories » Mon Feb 01, 2021 6:29 am

While thinking about the lash out of Banbardi, a crass example to explain Hell came to mind.
(WARNING FOR SENSIBLE ENGLISH PEOPLE: colorful language ahead)


Going to Hell is self inflicted.

The commandments of God, are like a parent telling their child to don't eat crayons.
Hell is the existential state of shitting crayons.

Crayons exist for a reason. The human body exists for a reason. Eating crayons wasn't part of the will of God.
God wills better usages of both crayons and humans. But as a loving parent, God wants his childs to figure it out themselves, and allows mistakes to happen as learning lessons.
As a loving parent, God warns about the most idiotic and self-destructive usages of his creation. Everything else is there to be explored.

But if one wants to eat crayons, they are going to shit crayons. That's Hell, the existential state of self-destructive idiocy.



(actual hell is when that existential state becomes permanent, by the permanent will of eating crayons, eating and shitting crayons for all eternity, together with others doing the same, with wagons of new others coming over time and doing the same)
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As such are people who speak disparagingly of things that they cannot attain.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Feb 01, 2021 6:37 am

Lost Memories wrote:While thinking about the lash out of Banbardi, a crass example to explain Hell came to mind.
(WARNING FOR SENSIBLE ENGLISH PEOPLE: colorful language ahead)


The commandments of God, are like a parent telling their child to don't eat crayons.
Hell is the existential state of shitting crayons.

Crayons exist for a reason. The human body exists for a reason. Eating crayons wasn't part of the will of God.
God wills better usages of both crayons and humans. But as a loving parent, God wants his childs to figure it out themselves, and allows mistakes to happen as learning lessons.
As a loving parent, God warns about the most idiotic and self-destructive usages of his creation. Everything else is there to be explored.

But if one wants to eat crayons, they are going to shit crayons. That's Hell, the existential state of self-destructive idiocy.

(actual hell is when that existential state becomes permanent, by the permanent will of eating crayons, eating and shitting crayons for all eternity, together with others doing the same, with wagons of new others coming over time and doing the same)


A loving parent would stop their child from eating crayons even if they tried lol
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Postby Sundiata » Mon Feb 01, 2021 6:37 am

Lost Memories wrote:Hell is the existential state of shitting crayons.
You know, this is why I'm not a priest. I'd be using analogies like that and end up getting in a lot of trouble.
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