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Who do you support?

Labour
46
34%
National
22
16%
Green Party
30
22%
NZ First
11
8%
ACT NZ
6
4%
Maori Party
8
6%
New Conservatives
10
7%
TOP
0
No votes
Other
2
1%
 
Total votes : 135

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Postby Forsher » Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:09 am

Shrillland wrote:All right, it's now Election Day. Go vote, will you?


Can't. Already have.

Got my democracy pen and all.

Even... somehow... got my brother to vote.
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Postby Awhaiti Kaiatu » Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:02 pm

What time are we expecting results? 7PM?

The referendum results won't be known for another 2 weeks (or was it months?) sadly
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:04 pm

Ohhhhhhh almost time for some juicy NZ voting results.
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Postby Forsher » Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:48 pm

Awhaiti Kaiatu wrote:What time are we expecting results? 7PM?

The referendum results won't be known for another 2 weeks (or was it months?) sadly


7:12pm-ish according to this.
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Postby Awhaiti Kaiatu » Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:50 pm

I'm wondering how well Labour will do in this; will they get a majority?

If it's like last night's poll with one seat-majority, I reckon they'll go into govt with the Greens to provide confidence
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Postby New Rogernomics » Fri Oct 16, 2020 4:04 pm

I'll take a good sleep and learn the results in the morning.

May the best woman win... *sighs* and American elections are still two old men.
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Postby Awhaiti Kaiatu » Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:16 pm

Bumping this seeing as the results are out in 3 hours :clap: :clap: :clap:
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Postby Outer Sparta » Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:32 pm

Awhaiti Kaiatu wrote:Bumping this seeing as the results are out in 3 hours :clap: :clap: :clap:

ACT likely getting a bunch of list seats should be interesting, we'll see how they'll manage with more influence in government. NZ First will probably lose control and all their seats while Nationals will also probably lose some seats as well.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:02 pm

Outer Sparta wrote:
Awhaiti Kaiatu wrote:Bumping this seeing as the results are out in 3 hours :clap: :clap: :clap:

ACT likely getting a bunch of list seats should be interesting, we'll see how they'll manage with more influence in government. NZ First will probably lose control and all their seats while Nationals will also probably lose some seats as well.


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Postby Drongonia » Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:17 pm

Costa Fierro wrote:
Outer Sparta wrote:ACT likely getting a bunch of list seats should be interesting, we'll see how they'll manage with more influence in government. NZ First will probably lose control and all their seats while Nationals will also probably lose some seats as well.


David Seymour despite his parliamentary experience has no experience managing MP's. It'll be like herding cats.

It's going to be great entertainment for all sides. David Seymour, a man who has no experience in people management, managing a bunch of people who have no parliamentary experience.

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Postby Drongonia » Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:19 pm

Also here's my revised election prediction. Not sure how close I'll be, but I'll admit I am being a bit hopeful on New Con. Should be fun to come back to this post at the end of the night.

46.5% Labour
32% National
5.5% ACT
5.5% Green
3.5% New Conservative
3% NZF
1.5% TOP
1% Advance NZ
0.5% Vision

1% All others
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Postby Communal League » Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:23 pm

Drongonia wrote:Also here's my revised election prediction. Not sure how close I'll be, but I'll admit I am being a bit hopeful on New Con. Should be fun to come back to this post at the end of the night.

46.5% Labour
32% National
5.5% ACT
5.5% Green
3.5% New Conservative
3% NZF
1.5% TOP
1% Advance NZ
0.5% Vision

1% All others

I don't think the New-Cons, TOP, Advance or Vision are going to do remotely that well. I'd say you're playing ACT and the Greens a bit short too, but I think your predictions for Labour, the Nats and NZF are probably accurate.

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Postby Costa Fierro » Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:29 pm

Drongonia wrote:Also here's my revised election prediction. Not sure how close I'll be, but I'll admit I am being a bit hopeful on New Con. Should be fun to come back to this post at the end of the night.

46.5% Labour
32% National
5.5% ACT
5.5% Green
3.5% New Conservative
3% NZF
1.5% TOP
1% Advance NZ
0.5% Vision

1% All others
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Postby Drongonia » Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:30 pm

Communal League wrote:I don't think the New-Cons, TOP, Advance or Vision are going to do remotely that well. I'd say you're playing ACT and the Greens a bit short too, but I think your predictions for Labour, the Nats and NZF are probably accurate.


Costa Fierro wrote:Why would New Conservatives do better than New Zealand First?


You might be right about TOP, Advance and Vision. BUT, regardless of what you think of their politics, NC has the potential to do well(ish). They were able to get 3.99% in 2014, and that was with the positively awful Colin Craig at the helm. There seems to be genuine interest in their social media pages, and yes... social media engagement does not translate into votes. However, they also have a lot of traction with South Auckland voters, particularly Pacific Islanders, thanks to Elliot Ikilei. He's a good speaker, and being a youth worker from the area he gets their issues.
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Postby Shrillland » Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:37 pm

Communal League wrote:
Drongonia wrote:Also here's my revised election prediction. Not sure how close I'll be, but I'll admit I am being a bit hopeful on New Con. Should be fun to come back to this post at the end of the night.

46.5% Labour
32% National
5.5% ACT
5.5% Green
3.5% New Conservative
3% NZF
1.5% TOP
1% Advance NZ
0.5% Vision

1% All others

I don't think the New-Cons, TOP, Advance or Vision are going to do remotely that well. I'd say you're playing ACT and the Greens a bit short too, but I think your predictions for Labour, the Nats and NZF are probably accurate.


Me neither, I think most of them will go to ACT instead.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:56 pm

Drongonia wrote:
Communal League wrote:I don't think the New-Cons, TOP, Advance or Vision are going to do remotely that well. I'd say you're playing ACT and the Greens a bit short too, but I think your predictions for Labour, the Nats and NZF are probably accurate.


Costa Fierro wrote:Why would New Conservatives do better than New Zealand First?


You might be right about TOP, Advance and Vision. BUT, regardless of what you think of their politics, NC has the potential to do well(ish). They were able to get 3.99% in 2014, and that was with the positively awful Colin Craig at the helm. There seems to be genuine interest in their social media pages, and yes... social media engagement does not translate into votes. However, they also have a lot of traction with South Auckland voters, particularly Pacific Islanders, thanks to Elliot Ikilei. He's a good speaker, and being a youth worker from the area he gets their issues.


He also used a girl's identity on an anti-LGBT rant. Plus they're not polling very well, and NZF is increasing. Not to mention NZF traditionally does better on polling day.
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Postby Drongonia » Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:06 pm

Costa Fierro wrote:He also used a girl's identity on an anti-LGBT rant.

Not true. The story was published by Stuff on behalf of the KEA Kids show, with her image attached. It's the cover image for the story when you embed it into a tweet, Facebook post, Discord message and what have you.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/kea-ki ... l-for-kids - her picture is still there by the way. All of this without mentioning that it probably dissuaded 0 people that NC goes after for votes.

Costa Fierro wrote:Plus they're not polling very well, and NZF is increasing. Not to mention NZF traditionally does better on polling day.

Winston himself says the only poll you can trust is the one on election day. We will have to wait and see.

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Postby Shrillland » Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:54 pm

By the way, here's TV1's coverage for all interested outside NZ: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpSZj4qImNE
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Postby Drongonia » Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:58 pm

NewsHub is the only private TV News service doing a livestream, and here's theirs for diversity's sake: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQo3XMpwwzA

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Postby Shrillland » Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:01 pm

Polls are now closed. Parliament's votes will be seen tonight, the referenda on the 30th.
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Postby Shrillland » Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:18 pm

I'm watching 1, and they seem so polite, always feeling bad for interrupting even if they have to.
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Postby Communal League » Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:43 pm

Labour has nearly double National's vote percentage, with 10% of the vote count currently in. That's quite the lead.

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Postby Shrillland » Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:44 pm

Communal League wrote:Labour has nearly double National's vote percentage, with 10% of the vote count currently in. That's quite the lead.


I've been looking myself...at this rate, we're going to see the one thing that's supposed to be impossible in the system: A Labour Majority Government.
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Postby Communal League » Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:46 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Communal League wrote:Labour has nearly double National's vote percentage, with 10% of the vote count currently in. That's quite the lead.


I've been looking myself...at this rate, we're going to see the one thing that's supposed to be impossible in the system: A Labour Majority Government.

It does seem to be going that way. Personally I was hoping that they'd end up having to bring in the Greens to add a more progressive policy vector. Still, it isn't over yet.

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Postby Albrenia » Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:58 pm

Considering how well they've handled the pandemic, I'm not surprised that they seem to be heading for a landslide.

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