Dark Socialism wrote:A whole lot of nihilism and anti-natalism in this thread
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by The Batorys » Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:13 pm
Dark Socialism wrote:A whole lot of nihilism and anti-natalism in this thread
by Dark Socialism » Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:19 pm
by The Batorys » Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:32 pm
by Darussalam » Sat Oct 13, 2018 4:52 am
by LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Sat Oct 13, 2018 6:49 am
Darussalam wrote:In a healthy society, natalism is enlightened self-interest - it is beneficial as a long-term investment for both the parents and the society around them. Unfortunately, the present society, especially in the West, is not very healthy for reproductive interests.
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:1. The PRC is not a Communist State, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.
by The South Falls » Sat Oct 13, 2018 7:14 am
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Darussalam wrote:In a healthy society, natalism is enlightened self-interest - it is beneficial as a long-term investment for both the parents and the society around them. Unfortunately, the present society, especially in the West, is not very healthy for reproductive interests.
Blame those who made raising children unaffordable, then. You can't "invest" money you don't have.
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by Darussalam » Sat Oct 13, 2018 11:18 pm
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Darussalam wrote:In a healthy society, natalism is enlightened self-interest - it is beneficial as a long-term investment for both the parents and the society around them. Unfortunately, the present society, especially in the West, is not very healthy for reproductive interests.
Blame those who made raising children unaffordable, then. You can't "invest" money you don't have.
by LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Sun Oct 14, 2018 8:34 am
Darussalam wrote:LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Blame those who made raising children unaffordable, then. You can't "invest" money you don't have.
I agree. I do believe that the inflating cost of education and housing are among things responsible for depressing natality rate. Women liberation movement and immigration restrictions are also not blameless, either.
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:1. The PRC is not a Communist State, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.
by Darussalam » Sun Oct 14, 2018 4:20 pm
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Darussalam wrote:I agree. I do believe that the inflating cost of education and housing are among things responsible for depressing natality rate. Women liberation movement and immigration restrictions are also not blameless, either.
Then in what sense do you blame them?
by Greed and Death » Sun Oct 14, 2018 4:32 pm
Darussalam wrote:LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Then in what sense do you blame them?
Banning marriage and thus making family structure essentially unsustainable is one thing.
Incompetent immigration laws make it difficult to lawfully employ domestic assistants, although they would be a great help for working women who want to be mothers.
by The New California Republic » Mon Oct 15, 2018 2:07 am
by The Free Joy State » Mon Oct 15, 2018 2:09 am
by Infected Mushroom » Mon Oct 15, 2018 2:18 am
by Lost Memories » Mon Oct 15, 2018 2:58 am
by Darussalam » Mon Oct 15, 2018 3:09 am
by The New California Republic » Mon Oct 15, 2018 3:14 am
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by Darussalam » Mon Oct 15, 2018 3:26 am
by The New California Republic » Mon Oct 15, 2018 3:29 am
Darussalam wrote:The New California Republic wrote:Ha. No. That's as stupid as saying "the power to revoke driver's licences essentially outlaws driving".
Marriage is a private contract - no-fault divorce means that the contract is unenforceable, even if both parties agreed beforehand to enforce the contract in the future. An unenforceable contract is not a contract.
by Page » Mon Oct 15, 2018 3:30 am
Lost Memories wrote:It's extremely simple to answer actually.
Having kids and raising them, requires commitment and sacrifice, you sacrifice your time, resources, and some possibilities, to give them to the kids. That commitment and sacrifice can be read and selflessness, of the parent toward the kid.
For the same reason, who refuses to have kids, on the basis of not wanting to commit or sacrifice anything of themselves, are selfish.
"Not having kids" isn't a choice detached from everything, that's why it's valued in relation to "having kids". "Having kids" require much more effort than not.
by Jebslund » Mon Oct 15, 2018 4:20 am
Darussalam wrote:The New California Republic wrote:Ha. No. That's as stupid as saying "the power to revoke driver's licences essentially outlaws driving".
:roll:
Marriage is a private contract - no-fault divorce means that the contract is unenforceable, even if both parties agreed beforehand to enforce the contract in the future. An unenforceable contract is not a contract.
by Jebslund » Mon Oct 15, 2018 4:34 am
Lost Memories wrote:It's extremely simple to answer actually.
Having kids and raising them, requires commitment and sacrifice, you sacrifice your time, resources, and some possibilities, to give them to the kids. That commitment and sacrifice can be read and selflessness, of the parent toward the kid.
For the same reason, who refuses to have kids, on the basis of not wanting to commit or sacrifice anything of themselves, are selfish.
"Not having kids" isn't a choice detached from everything, that's why it's valued in relation to "having kids". "Having kids" require much more effort than not.
by Jebslund » Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:22 am
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