Meaning of Existence

[Juristonia]

I have a feeling that it is against the rules to talk about how close I am to suicide, and the reasons why my existence is meaningless under the current circumstances.

Been there many more times than I care to remember, thanks to the joys of depression.
Sometimes all you can do is buckle down and wait for the shit storm to pass.
Which, eventually, they always do. It's just a pain in the ass while it lasts.

[Ethel mermania]

I have a feeling that it is against the rules to talk about how close I am to suicide, and the reasons why my existence is meaningless under the current circumstances.

Like Godular said: It's not against the rules. It's just troubling. There have been NSers who died in one way or another -- suicide, accident, cancer, etc. -- and it's a blow to the community when we lose someone. Losing you would be a blow to the community, same as those other people. That's why it makes people uncomfortable when you talk about being suicidal, because we don't want you to commit suicide.

Fwiw nationstates is singularly unequipped to deal with serious mental health issues, we are not trained therapists, and delaying getting the help a person needs is a bad idea
It is also really unfair to put that kind of conversation on a 13 or 14 y year old kid which the forums allowed, they are very rarely emotionally equipped for that kind of conversation.

Trans put the list together for a reason, the best thing we can do is get the user to follow that advice.

[Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft]

There's a thread called "Links to resources for those who feel depressed/suicidal" on the first page of General.

[Insaeldor]

I'm of the philosophical mindset as proposed by Søren Kierkegaard, that life has no inherent meaning and society and religion is not responsible for meaning but rather the individual is and that he should live it authentically.

[The New California Republic]

You didn't answer my question as to why you felt it necessary to turn a mathematics question into a sermon to try and convert me. Please don't try to do that, it is insulting.

It's because of your denying of the truth of the proposition that "nothing is not a thing".

Nope, quit it with the condescending little smileys. You haven't answered why you turned a simple mathematics question into an attempt to convert me to your religion.

I don't have time to understand that 9 steps, but I suppose, that contradiction being meant there in the 9 steps means that capitalism will not succeed, because of alleged contradiction in capitalism. Hello!? That just proved my point that there cannot be contradiction in life, given that there is contradiction in the success of capitalism and no success of capitalism will ever happen, correct?

So again you have willingly sabotaged the debate. You didn't read what I wrote, so I see no reason to continue this debate with you. That means, again, I win the debate by default, as you refuse to engage properly. So that's it, I'm done debating this matter with someone who is constantly sabotaging it.

[USS Monitor]

There's a thread called "Links to resources for those who feel depressed/suicidal" on the first page of General.

Yeah, that's the link Godular posted. I didn't repost it because I figure Minoa can see his post, and I think she already knows the thread is there.

Like Godular said: It's not against the rules. It's just troubling. There have been NSers who died in one way or another -- suicide, accident, cancer, etc. -- and it's a blow to the community when we lose someone. Losing you would be a blow to the community, same as those other people. That's why it makes people uncomfortable when you talk about being suicidal, because we don't want you to commit suicide.

Fwiw nationstates is singularly unequipped to deal with serious mental health issues, we are not trained therapists, and delaying getting the help a person needs is a bad idea
It is also really unfair to put that kind of conversation on a 13 or 14 y year old kid which the forums allowed, they are very rarely emotionally equipped for that kind of conversation.

Trans put the list together for a reason, the best thing we can do is get the user to follow that advice.

Unfortunately, websites that are ill-equipped to deal with serious mental issues are one of the most common outlets because it's less intimidating to talk about your problems to people who aren't in a position to intervene too easily. If you talk to people that are closer to you or have more power to intervene, then that has real consequences, and it's opening up and making yourself vulnerable in a bigger way. I was the same way when I had suicidal thoughts 15 years ago. I talked about it online before I worked up the nerve to seek professional help. I think, at least for me, talking about it online was sort of a first step in coming to grips with the fact I needed help. So I get why people come on NSG and start talking about their problems. I really do. But if you keep having suicidal thoughts, then you should seek professional help. NationStates isn't an adequate substitute.

[Valentine Z]

Sometimes, I actually got this pause whereby I just stopped and thought to myself... How did I get here? How was I born in this era? Like, why wasn't I born in the Ancient Roman times, or the futuristic Star Trek eras? Makes me kind of wonder.

And Minoa, please do hang in there!

[Risottia]

The awful truth.

http://existentialcomics.com/comic/225

Camus is right, by the way. Not that it will actually matter when we will be dead, the Earth will be just a small increment in the metallicity of the dying Sun, and black holes will evaporate into nothingness forever.

[Lost Memories]

The awful truth.

http://existentialcomics.com/comic/225

Camus is right, by the way. Not that it will actually matter when we will be dead, the Earth will be just a small increment in the metallicity of the dying Sun, and black holes will evaporate into nothingness forever.

But we aren't rocks, or planets, we're persons.
Who gives about what will happen in a future which is pointless to even make predictions about?

It's useful to remember that humans aren't pure rational beings, the emotive and rational both contribute to make a person a full being. Being purely rational is the road of half persons.

[Unit 23]

So I ask you, what is the point when it is for nothing in the end?

Hooboy.

This is meta-science, commonly known as philosophy. So, go to Wikipedia, scroll to the bottom, open the infobox and pick yourself some positions of which there are many flavors.

From this chaotic foundation I can offer you what amounts to a solution, though:

Firstly, with the references to time and saying it's all for nothing, it seems like you want some things to last forever, which is probably the wrong way of finding purpose. Instead it's best to keep things relative.

Yeah, it's "all for nothing", which is why I always aim to get the most out of my time. It's a case of going with a flow and maybe hammering a few loose nails down as you see fit while you come to terms with whichever aspect of reality is uncomfortable. Some select ancient Greeks would say the greatest virtue is just doing whatever seems attractive as long as you don't start messing with the flow, which they would probably call "nature", meaning the world generally. So there's that. Like I said, they come in all shades. Zeno basically denied all reality was possible, but thankfully everyone else quickly decided terminal logic was boring and went back to talking about water.

Quantum theory, if I remember my facts right, would probably just interrupt you and say that time is one of many subordinate dimensions and it's actually really more of a phenomenal human concept in the way we see patterns in the way reality amalgamates from potentiality and is distributed along our perception of space, so if time is the thing which is making people upset, there's good news -- it's probably maybe not really real.

[Ethel mermania]

The awful truth.

http://existentialcomics.com/comic/225

Camus is right, by the way. Not that it will actually matter when we will be dead, the Earth will be just a small increment in the metallicity of the dying Sun, and black holes will evaporate into nothingness forever.

Indeed it is true.

My favorite thing was the days with out a kant pun.

[Datlofff]

Life has no meaning, you live, hopefully live to adulthood so you can pass on your genes, and die. Anything that happens in-between is irrelevant, and anything that happens on earth at all is even more irrelevant in the grand scheme of the universe.

TL;DR: Life has no meaning

[United Muscovite Nations]

The meaning of existence is the acquisition of the Holy Spirit and communion with the divine.

[Valentine Z]

Also, reminds me of this from Bee Movie, heh!

00:11:47 What happened?
00:11:48 A bee died. Makes an opening. See? He's dead. Another dead one.
00:11:52 Deady. Deadified. Two more dead.
00:11:54 Dead from the neck up. Dead from the neck down. That's life!
00:11:57 Oh, this is so hard!

Or like my great granddad said, "Fishes die while swimming, birds die while flying. Humans die while working."

[Neutraligon]

The meaning of existence is the acquisition of the Holy Spirit and communion with the divine.

Since there is no evidence of either existing that is most certainly not the meaning of my existence.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

The meaning of existence is the acquisition of the Holy Spirit and communion with the divine.

Since there is no evidence of either existing that is most certainly not the meaning of my existence.

What’s is the meaning of your existence then?

[Neutraligon]

Since there is no evidence of either existing that is most certainly not the meaning of my existence.

What’s is the meaning of your existence then?

It changes as I change. Right now I want to enjoy life with my new boyfriend, find a job that let's me continue working in prosthetic and improve the controls of prosthetic so that they work better for people who have had limbs amputated.

[Neanderthaland]

Since there is no evidence of either existing that is most certainly not the meaning of my existence.

What’s is the meaning of your existence then?

"We don't know, therefore we know."

[Arkeyana]

What’s is the meaning of your existence then?

It changes as I change. Right now I want to enjoy life with my new boyfriend, find a job that let's me continue working in prosthetic and improve the controls of prosthetic so that they work better for people who have had limbs amputated.

Seems like a cool career path, good luck!

What’s is the meaning of your existence then?

"We don't know, therefore we know."

Engaging philosophy mode.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

What’s is the meaning of your existence then?

"We don't know, therefore we know."

That quote gave me bluescreen for moment.

[Neanderthaland]

"We don't know, therefore we know."

That quote gave me bluescreen for moment.

That's what all "well what's your explanation?" arguments reduce to.

It's as though, in the absence of knowledge, we're supposed to accept an idea simply because it exists.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

That's what all "well what's your explanation?" arguments reduce to.[…]

I was only curious as to what Neutraligon thought the meaning of her existence was.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

The meaning of existence is, really, your own. It is what you give it. If it's to serve a god, then that's the meaning, for you. It changes for everyone.

[Internationalist Bastard]

You float around till you die
Then you get reincarnated
It’s just a shitty cycle of suffering until you figure out howto stop it

[Veleth]

I think there are two answers to this question, both of which are true. One meaning of life is that biologically we are all designed to be able to survive to an age when we can reproduce and pass our genes onto our offspring. That is why life even exists in the first place. But since survival is not our primary goal anymore, especially because of the advances in science and medicine, it is safe to say that now people have the liberty to choose what they want to do in life. However, I wouldn't look at life in such a pessimistic way, since by the time the Sun destroys the Earth humans will have evolved into several different species.