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by Wallenburg » Sun Mar 08, 2015 11:37 am
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by Katganistan » Sun Mar 08, 2015 1:03 pm
Grinning Dragon wrote:Gallifrey Secundaria wrote:It does have a weight, since the student body has the right to vote on certain measures on said college in which this occurred.
In the sense they are under the illusion they have said power, their weight is only measured by the others who would abide by said vote. By saying that, if I were to attend this campus, I guess I would be a dick about it, and fly said flags from their banned area, just to prove a point and exercise MY freedom of speech.
This type of vote reminds me of my time at a small community college(back in the 90's) in where the student body banned motorcycles from the student parking area, because they didn't want "their" campus to look like a bunch of dirty bikers attended there. Kinda hard to stop 40+ students from parking their motorcycles in the parking lot, their ruling was ignored and was not enforced by the administration either.
by Krieg-Deathworld » Sun Mar 08, 2015 1:08 pm
by Katganistan » Sun Mar 08, 2015 1:12 pm
Infected Mushroom wrote:Scomagia wrote:It's no more a revocation of rights than saying that no one is allowed to spray-paint on the wall.
the student council isn't truly representative of the student body enough to make such a right-breaching declaration
the fact that the school did not intervene shows that they have no respect for the rights of the students
by Sanctissima » Sun Mar 08, 2015 1:15 pm
Katganistan wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:
the student council isn't truly representative of the student body enough to make such a right-breaching declaration
the fact that the school did not intervene shows that they have no respect for the rights of the students
*LAUGHS*
Student government -- the folks ELECTED by the students to be their voice when dealing with the school -- are not representative and should be punished by the school.
Rich indeed.
by Salandriagado » Sun Mar 08, 2015 1:15 pm
Infected Mushroom wrote:Scomagia wrote:It's no more a revocation of rights than saying that no one is allowed to spray-paint on the wall.
the student council isn't truly representative of the student body enough to make such a right-breaching declaration
the fact that the school did not intervene shows that they have no respect for the rights of the students
by Katganistan » Sun Mar 08, 2015 1:16 pm
Oneracon wrote:Sanctissima wrote:
There's very few student unions that are actually representative of the student body.
Aside from a de jure perspective, most students really couldn't give a damn in terms of what their student union's doing. In fact, I doubt most students even know the names of the members of their student union.
So, yeah, the ASUCI is most likely not representative of the university's student body.
So just throw any concept of representative democracy out the window?
Terra Sector Union wrote:Doesn't this kind of bullshit happen in states that were former Mexican territories? Because I don't hear these stories about removing the US flag in a place like New York or Kentucky. Usually California, Arizona and Texas has this.
Nazi Flower Power wrote:Terra Sector Union wrote:Doesn't this kind of bullshit happen in states that were former Mexican territories? Because I don't hear these stories about removing the US flag in a place like New York or Kentucky. Usually California, Arizona and Texas has this.
Yeah, I had noticed a pattern that these stories are usually from California.
A lot of people in this thread have blamed it on liberalism, but New England is very liberal, and I've never heard of anything like this locally. The only local flag-related controversy I can recall was a guy who was flying an upside down American flag as a distress signal because he was having financial problems and was disappointed what was going on in the country. His neighbors thought he was disrespecting the flag by flying it upside down.
Sanctissima wrote:
Aside from the occasional strikes and demonstrations, what do they actually do?
Student unions are a relic from the 60's, a time when most students actually cared about politics. Nowadays, this is hardly the case. Today they're banning the display of flags in the school lobby because they're worried about offending some people. 50 years ago they were promoting activism, gay-rights, democracy and actually accomplishing things.
So, no, modern student unions do not actually represent their student bodies. A general lack of interest has taken that away.
by Nazi Flower Power » Sun Mar 08, 2015 1:24 pm
Katganistan wrote:Terra Sector Union wrote:Doesn't this kind of bullshit happen in states that were former Mexican territories? Because I don't hear these stories about removing the US flag in a place like New York or Kentucky. Usually California, Arizona and Texas has this.
Why do you have the idea that in New York every college classroom has an American flag? Not in the colleges I've attended.
by Grinning Dragon » Sun Mar 08, 2015 1:26 pm
Katganistan wrote:Grinning Dragon wrote:In the sense they are under the illusion they have said power, their weight is only measured by the others who would abide by said vote. By saying that, if I were to attend this campus, I guess I would be a dick about it, and fly said flags from their banned area, just to prove a point and exercise MY freedom of speech.
This type of vote reminds me of my time at a small community college(back in the 90's) in where the student body banned motorcycles from the student parking area, because they didn't want "their" campus to look like a bunch of dirty bikers attended there. Kinda hard to stop 40+ students from parking their motorcycles in the parking lot, their ruling was ignored and was not enforced by the administration either.
How would you access the student government work room if you're not a member of student government?
Seriously, what is wrong with everyone who has their panties in a twist about how these students want their work area to look? They're not saying other students can't fly the flag, or banning it from classrooms, or the campus lunchroom, or whatever.
What is the problem? Not being able to impose on others how their workspace is decorated?
by Katganistan » Sun Mar 08, 2015 1:28 pm
Unholy Byzantium wrote:Gallifrey Secundaria wrote:They've banned ALL flags from ONE room. Not only the American flag, ALL flags. It's not like they'll be flying an Iraqi flag in there.
They aren't in Iraq. Iraq doesn't pay money to their school. The USA does. Its about more than the flag, its about respect.
by Oneracon » Sun Mar 08, 2015 1:28 pm
Grinning Dragon wrote:Katganistan wrote:
How would you access the student government work room if you're not a member of student government?
Seriously, what is wrong with everyone who has their panties in a twist about how these students want their work area to look? They're not saying other students can't fly the flag, or banning it from classrooms, or the campus lunchroom, or whatever.
What is the problem? Not being able to impose on others how their workspace is decorated?
Wasn't so much as a removal of the flags, it was their bullshit, I am edgy-pendantic moronic reasoning,...."adding that the “American flag has been flown in instances of colonialism and imperialism.” /dumb.
The bill further argues that the U.S. flag can convey “American exceptionalism and superiority.” /extremely dumb.
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by Nazi Flower Power » Sun Mar 08, 2015 1:30 pm
Katganistan wrote:Nazi Flower Power wrote:
Yeah, I had noticed a pattern that these stories are usually from California.
A lot of people in this thread have blamed it on liberalism, but New England is very liberal, and I've never heard of anything like this locally. The only local flag-related controversy I can recall was a guy who was flying an upside down American flag as a distress signal because he was having financial problems and was disappointed what was going on in the country. His neighbors thought he was disrespecting the flag by flying it upside down.
Then I hope they never go sailing and run into problems. How disrespectful to signal distress in a codified and recognizable way!
by Imperializt Russia » Sun Mar 08, 2015 1:30 pm
Sanctissima wrote:Katganistan wrote:
*LAUGHS*
Student government -- the folks ELECTED by the students to be their voice when dealing with the school -- are not representative and should be punished by the school.
Rich indeed.
Keep in mind though, most students really couldn't give a damn in terms of who's on their student council.
It's the sort of thing most people could care less about.
Also,Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
Imperializt Russia wrote:I'm English, you tit.
by Katganistan » Sun Mar 08, 2015 1:32 pm
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by Lost heros » Sun Mar 08, 2015 1:40 pm
Krieg-Deathworld wrote:More Über-Liberals trying to be edgy and prove how progressive they are. Sure it's obnoxious but who cares? It's Cali.
by Katganistan » Sun Mar 08, 2015 1:42 pm
Drekarion wrote:Jesus Christ, how sensitive do you have to be that a piece of cloth offends you?
Master Shake wrote:UCI is the absolute stupidest college in America. They don't like to speak english when ordering a taxi. They don't know where they are on the campus and they don't even know there home/dorm's address....oh and it was the school who served chicken and waffles on MLK day...
This school is a complete piece of shit and I tell anyone who is going to a UC school to avoid this horrible/anti American slice of little China!
I actually refuse to send taxis to this "university" unless the customer knows their address and can speak English!
by Dyakovo » Sun Mar 08, 2015 2:10 pm
Norstal wrote:Sattersburg wrote:
The United States flag is not some other flag. Brave men and women die every day in honor of that flag and what it represents (or used to represent, as these days America has gone to the dogs). I believe this is a major issue, along the same lines of a recent case where students in one California school were asked to not wear their American flag t shirts to school because it was Cinco de Mayo and the Mexican students took it offensive that they had them on. News flash people, THIS IS AMERICA!!! Our flag MEANS something! It doesn't matter what America has done in the past, nor what crimes that have been committed by this nation in the name of our flag. What matters is the fact that this flag is the symbol of our nation, and therefore should not only be displayed in that class room, but in every public building in the entire country.
A US Navy Seaman just commented on this being trivial for him. I think if you're going to argue with this, I'll believe a veteran's words more than some random internet guy.
by Dyakovo » Sun Mar 08, 2015 2:13 pm
Salandriagado wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:
the student council isn't truly representative of the student body enough to make such a right-breaching declaration
the fact that the school did not intervene shows that they have no respect for the rights of the students
Whose rights are infringed upon by a group of people choosing to not have a flag in their office?
by Dyakovo » Sun Mar 08, 2015 2:16 pm
Grinning Dragon wrote:Katganistan wrote:
How would you access the student government work room if you're not a member of student government?
Seriously, what is wrong with everyone who has their panties in a twist about how these students want their work area to look? They're not saying other students can't fly the flag, or banning it from classrooms, or the campus lunchroom, or whatever.
What is the problem? Not being able to impose on others how their workspace is decorated?
Wasn't so much as a removal of the flags, it was their bullshit, I am edgy-pendantic moronic reasoning,...."adding that the “American flag has been flown in instances of colonialism and imperialism.” /dumb.
The bill further argues that the U.S. flag can convey “American exceptionalism and superiority.” /extremely dumb.
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