R+B · Vol. 2 [1] · TRF hits fash/REATO targets · RIA started

[The Rainbow Collective]

Who runs TRF / Antifa?

The Red Fleet is commanded by the Admiralty Board. Comrade Misley is currently the only Admiral.

Antifa is an association of anti-fascist regions and militaries. As far as I know, it isn't really run by anyone as it doesn't have any actual authority over associated regions and militaries, but I could be wrong.

[Benjamin Henrikson]

Thanks.
Madrigal is interested in ties with as many people as possible. We do not want to burn any bridges despite the small quarral I had with Misley .

[Corvus Corax]

Cormac. If you didn't know my Native Home Region is The Internationale. It was. It is. That fact can't changed by any jargon. I'm considered as a Traitor (who knows why) in my own home region. My current loyality lies elsewhere as I cannot reasonably expect that consensus would be ever reached in The internationale for my rehabilitation.

However, that doesn't prevent me taking stance about the region and particularly what kind people inhabitate it. As a 2-terms Elected WAD of the old Internationale (deserted both times to a front line to endorse my then Comrades), I still reserve my rights to say what I think.

TBR doctrine doesn't prevent people to defend a riders' home regions (what ever it might be). Of course I'm interested... particularly militarily because I have no other experience with this game then military gameplay within it. If failed ex-GCR executive hang around in my Native region, I can easily justify little scepticism...

[The Rainbow Collective]

I did know. You were Proletaurus, I'm pretty sure we worked together on anti-fascist operations once or twice.

I don't mind if you're skeptical. I would be skeptical too. I'm just looking for somewhere to play the game a different way, not unlike when you decided to get involved in mainstream raiding and joined The Black Riders.

[Corvus Corax]

@Cormac. Contact Vippertooth33 of the MT Army.

One experienced soldier would be good in that Elite Unit. Die-hard dedication is basic requirement there, you know.

[Verborgenen Herrn]

One experienced soldier would be good in that Elite Unit.

An elite unit with no experienced soldiers in it? Yep, that's ol' MT Army all right.

Die-hard dedication is basic requirement there, you know.

More like die hard retirement every time you're booed off the stage

[Corvus Corax]

Ah... here comes the Arch-enemy.

You forget that "failure" was caused by mysterious Moderation intervention. Thank you for bringing that episode back to our minds.

The MT Army is still there. How about Nazi Europe?

[Misley]

Cormac. If you didn't know my Native Home Region is The Internationale. It was. It is. That fact can't changed by any jargon. I'm considered as a Traitor (who knows why) in my own home region. My current loyality lies elsewhere as I cannot reasonably expect that consensus would be ever reached in The internationale for my rehabilitation.

You do know that the damnatio memoriae proposal against you failed to achieve consensus, right? You're not considered a traitor by The Internationale - people inside it, perhaps, but not by the region.

[Schweinehund]

Ah... here comes the Arch-enemy.

You forget that "failure" was caused by mysterious Moderation intervention. Thank you for bringing that episode back to our minds.

The MT Army is still there. How about Nazi Europe?

You mean this? Nazi Europa

[Verborgenen Herrn]

Ah... here comes the Arch-enemy.

You forget that "failure" was caused by mysterious Moderation intervention. Thank you for bringing that episode back to our minds.

The MT Army is still there. How about Nazi Europe?

You mean this? Nazi Europa

NE is more active than it has ever been: with twice the previous population it is the largest contributor of manpower to fascist operations. The MT Army is about as active as an abandoned graveyard, except for the occasional flashy invasion of a one-nation puppet dump.

[Not-Andurs]

Hay guise, I'm Not-Andurs. Just forget everything I've done in my previous 2.5 years on NationStates, like making Ainur assert it's imperialism as Knight-Commander, couping TEK, and my joining The Communist Bloc. I'm done with the weekly secret Imperialist meetings with the UIAF, Ainur, and The Communist Bloc, I just can't take getting tickled till I choke on my lemonade anymore, oh, and my conscience can no longer condone my previous villainous actions supporting the Imperialist Cabal controlling everything in NationStates.

This nation is run by the same NS player as Anders Blakewood, but although I was born as Bayard, I identify as Not-Andurs.

[Captain Woodhouse]

He was arguing that Eastern Europe could be retaken by defenders in a single update.

No, I wasn’t. Our raid efforts are rarely scotched in one fell swoop as they were in Makhnovia, with a rookie at the helm. It’s the 30+ WA battering ram over consecutive updates that effectively eliminated offensive capability in targets where our points had acquired little influence. Once we’re forced to expend influence banjecting cross-endorsing liberators, our operations become defensive.

I would never claim that the UIAF could be removed in a single update; however, I do believe the UIAF offense would be checked by the well-triggered timing of 30-40 WA hitting their low influence WADs. I made that clear when I expanded on my initial assertion to address the ’tween updates business you suggested was the only possible way to unseat the mighty UIAF.

That therefore makes your claim in relation to NE incorrect - the entire reason for it being in this conversation.

I was off an update on the NE lib, but correct on Makhnovia and the 40-odd WA rallied between minor and major updates. You called bullshit on that, suggesting the media attached to the various liberators falsified numbers and even the particular lib update. There’s no arguing with someone like you; beyond this last response, I won’t waste more of my time.

Had our point been active, the NE 'liberation' would not have succeeded - it's not a case of NE retaking it reflecting a military success for them, but a function of the point's inactivity. That was incompetence on our point's part, which he was reprimanded for, as outlined in the UIAF statement.

In the sense that you won on that occasion (only to be defeated subsequently), it was by definition a victory. However, the point I was making was that the outcome did not rest on military prowess on your part as opposed to a specific deficiency in the handling of the occupation by the occupying power.

All the scores of battles ever won owing to an occupying power’s overconfidence, unpreparedness, or other specific deficiency weren’t really demonstrations of military prowess on the part of the rival commander(s) who analyzed and responded to enemy vulnerability? In other words, when Washington carpe diemed all over the cocksure and ill-prepared Hessians at Trenton, it was no real feather in his cap because the Hessians would have and could have kicked Washington’s ass had they realized his shoeless, rag-tag Continental Army presented a serious threat to their superior wonderfulness. Get out of town!

Verborgenen Herrn easily slipped by your point with a fake flag days before we made our move on NE. We’d observed your point’s dwindling endorsements and lethargic logins, over which you, as the UIAF military commander, had control. Putting together a 20+ update party (VH knows the exact number) to take down the UIAF point while closing up shop in Hell was no small achievement for us, yet we’d pulled off pretty much the same to tag Communist International League, whose WAD had sported a 20+ WA anchor chain when we hit him.

You should have been fully aware of our capability. That you’re available seemingly around the clock to respond to forum posts speaks to a high level of awareness and involvement in matters both internal and external. You appear to control every aspect of LKE affairs, from citizenship application approval to organizing and executing invasions. It’s a shame that a point, operating under the supreme control and direction of his commander, was scapegoated by that commander for the commander’s embarrassing underestimation of enemy capability.

If nothing else, your posts communicate cocksure superciliousness. Even now, you believe the UIAF is invulnerable. The UIAF commander’s cock-certainty was the deficiency we exploited in NE.

Athelstan MacGregor:

Prior to this point, he may have been affiliated to Nazi Europe and he may have, as he says, advertised this in his signatures, but it was not something which came specifically to my attention prior to the declaration of war on GGR, so it was not dealt with before that point.

Your post contradicts Greg’s, and not just in this thread.

Of course they know I'm in NAZI EUROPE. I have been there longer than I have either of the regions in question, and I put it in my citizenship application. viewtopic.php?p=11200640#p11200640

I couldn’t find Greg’s citizenship application on LKE’s forum to verify his statement. Since you approve citizen applications and do appear to catch any issue that might violate LKE policy, it would be quite the oversight on your part to approve Greg’s application, NE affiliation disclosed. I noticed that at least some of Greg’s posts exist, but any signature material that might validate the signature portion of his story has been wiped from them. How convenient.

Can you cough up an unaltered citizenship application?

[Captain Woodhouse]

You forget that "failure" was caused by mysterious Moderation intervention.

Oh, we’ve many more examples of MT failure that resulted in ‘retirement’. Retirement is an MT face-saving tactic as are elaborate bullshit campaigns such as what Vip pulled in The Axis Nations Alliance after we’d skunked his undercover puppet in Axis Nations Alliance.

TANA, when Vip was trying to convince the FRA (and us) that he was a legitimate Axis Nations Alliance native:

https://web.archive.org/web/20131231194 ... s_alliance

I'm considered as a Traitor (who knows why) in my own home region.

You don’t know why—really? TI doesn’t tolerate TCB raiding leftist regions, why would they embrace Antifa’s original founder-account holder for doing the same? I’d most definitely consider you a traitor had you been a prominent member of the Nazi-fascist community and took up raiding and shutting down Nazi-fascist regions.

[Corvus Corax]

@Woodie:

Dammit. Maybe I failed then...

-> Antifa is under control of Vip33 (I have no founder Access anymore)
-> I have "impure" Cimmerian Merc Unit in Antifa (Impure defensive Unit)
-> TI is refounded succesfully
-> Raider Cora has attacked against 300-400 Antifa/TRF puppet dumps, protectorates and trophies (many of them initially secured by P.) Easiest way to defend regional holdings is notoriously keeping puppets alive
-> SRBT series puppets are not under my control (not including SRBT 7001 and 7007)
-> Raider Cora wrote initial defense plan for TI
-> Raider Cora sent passwords to most essential regional holdings to others
-> I was native of those passworded leftist regions where I participated to TBR assaults
-> Dear Cuba wrote the manuscript for my raider Career
-> Not a single essential passwords has ever leaked to raiders by me
-> 4th International is still merged part of TI. At least official announcement that would not be the case has never come
-> Biggest mistake of "bunker boys" is that they made choise for D over R in a distant past...

-> Chess game P. vs. W. is still continuing. Black's turn. Cora has been relatively active in contemplating and thinking movements of a Black Horses. expect next move sometimes in year 2020 when my current mercenary contract with TBR expires...

[Onderkelkia]

No, I wasn’t. Our raid efforts are rarely scotched in one fell swoop as they were in Makhnovia, with a rookie at the helm.

Let us review the comment which you originally objected to:

Assembling a 'liberation' party of roughly 30 units between a major update and a minor update would be a rare feat indeed, and might have failed anyway.

You objected to the phrase 'rare feat indeed' in this statement. You invoked Makhnovia as an example of why this was not the case.

Your latest position argues that what happened in Makhnovia is 'rarely' the case. I realise that you are specifically discussing the prospect of any single-update 'liberation' here', rather than any deployment of 30 units on a minor after a major takeover, but operations like Makhnovia are rare in both respects.

I am not disputing that there may be single instances where it occurred - I merely pointed out that the frequency of such occurrences is rare.

I was off an update on the NE lib, but correct on Makhnovia and the 40-odd WA rallied between minor and major updates.

You were wrong on Nazi Europe; you also made incorrect speculation about Anne Frank and referred to Finland despite unsure of its status.

I never claimed that no operation of this kind ever take places, merely that they are relatively rare. The claim that they are rare does not require me to disprove of every single instance of one having taken place. There are sufficient holes in the evidence you offer for that to be quite unnecessary.

You called bullshit on that, suggesting the media attached to the various liberators falsified numbers and even the particular lib update.

No, I did not suggest that the media reports falsified the numbers.

I merely said it would be unusual for media coverage to exactly specify the update of an operation and the number of units deployed there.

All the scores of battles ever won owing to an occupying power’s overconfidence, unpreparedness, or other specific deficiency weren’t really demonstrations of military prowess on the part of the rival commander(s) who analyzed and responded to enemy vulnerability?

In some cases, in assessing a military outcome, it is fair to attribute responsibility to both the defeated party's weaknesses and the victor's strengths.

That this is true of some cases does not mean that every instance of taking advantage of a failing by an occupying power constitutes military prowess. In this case, I think most people would recognise that the battle's outcome had much more to do with the point nation's handling of the mission.

We’d observed your point’s dwindling endorsements and lethargic logins, over which you, as the UIAF military commander, had control.

I am not 'the UIAF military commander'; that would be the Joint Commander. Between him and the point there was also the Deputy Commander.

I have two roles in the UIAF. The first is as one of three members of the Imperial Military Council, which oversees and appoints the Joint Commander on behalf of the three regional governments. The second is an Associate Commander, which involves responsibility for advising on strategy and policy (I also hold the rank of Field Marshal with the Joint Commander, but that is a holdover from when I was Joint Commander of the UIAF's first incarnation in 2010 rather than a reflection of present day operational responsibilities). Unlike in 2011-12 when I commanded TNI's military, since the UIAF of the LKE, TNI and Albion was formed, it is relatively rare for me to be directly involved in routine tactical decisions - naturally I and my fellow members of the Imperial Military Council ought to have been more proactive in ensuring that UIAF military doctrine was observed in this instance, and I accept responsibility for that.

You appear to control every aspect of LKE affairs, from citizenship application approval to organizing and executing invasions. It’s a shame that a point, operating under the supreme control and direction of his commander, was scapegoated by that commander for the commander’s embarrassing underestimation of enemy capability.

Judging from this post, you have developed significant personal animosity against me.

I do not 'control every aspect of LKE affairs' - I have overall responsibility for the region, but the Government oversees most issues.

I do not organise and execute invasions - that would have been true of 2006-12, but is not true now. Sometimes I indicate targets I would like to be hit and the framework in which it should take place, but the implementation is delegated. Most invasions are handled through the UIAF command structures.

There was no scapegoating, but a fair investigation conducted by the Imperial Military Council into the activities of both the point and his supervisors. That investigation published its findings a few weeks after this incident, which is why in my first post I referred you back to the UIAF statement in June.

Your post contradicts Greg’s, and not just in this thread.

Considering that I began that section of my post by remarking that there were several major inaccuracies in his, I am aware of that.

I couldn’t find Greg’s citizenship application on LKE’s forum to verify his statement. Since you approve citizen applications and do appear to catch any issue that might violate LKE policy, it would be quite the oversight on your part to approve Greg’s application, NE affiliation disclosed. I noticed that at least some of Greg’s posts exist, but any signature material that might validate the signature portion of his story has been wiped from them. How convenient.

None of Athelstan MacGregor's posts have been removed; that is ridiculous speculation.

You claim that it is 'convenient' that ' any signature material that might validate the signature portion of his story has been wiped from them'.

In fact, his account (as stated in his post in this thread) was:

I removed it then without your asking so as not to cause you embarrasment,

In other words, far from me having wiped his signature of this content, his claim is that he removed it on an entirely voluntary basis himself.

[The Red and Black]

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EDITORIAL · NATIONSTATES · CULTURAL IMPERIALISM · REGIONAL IDENTITY

Cultural imperialism is a concept familiar to leftists as is applies to real-world politics, but an argument can be made for the application of this concept to the world of NationStates. In NationStates, cultural imperialism does not manifest as it does in real life, but this essay will use the term to describe a similar phenomenon that can be observed in-game.

Cultural imperialism in real life is the practice of promoting a culture that is considered "superior"—that is, the culture of economically and militarily superior societies—and the suppression of cultures held by weaker societies. This can perhaps be seen in Africa, Asia, and the Americas, where Western societies displaced traditional societies during the colonial period, eliminating much of the indigenous cultures and creating centuries of problems for their peoples.

In NationStates, we see similar attempts from those who believe themselves to be superior to promote their ideas while downplaying alternatives. Communities that successfully organize themselves in ways that are antithetical to the established "norm" of mainstream regions are criticized for lack of development and culture. Regions that do not have offsite forums or elaborately-detailed "legal" documents to provide the foundation of a regional bureaucracy are considered "undeveloped," even if they are capable of providing a robust and interesting experience for their members without them.

As an example of a region that enjoys success without these, we can look to our own home. The Internationale does not have an offsite forum or any semblance of government bureaucracy, but this does not mean that our region is any less legitimate, active, or enjoyable for its comrades than any other region.

Rather than closing off regional decisions to an elite group of qualified members—which can be disguised with any number of legislative names, like "senators" or "representatives—legislation is instead carried out by direct democracy on our regional message board, with every comrade member given an equal vote. Everyone has a say in how the region is run.

At no point in our region's over five-year history have comrades ever called for the establishment of further bureaucracy or regional administration, even as The Internationale celebrates the fastest growth it has experienced in its history, having grown by over eighty new nations since before the new year. Despite this success and regional satisfaction, we find ourselves in the crosshairs of the leadership of other regions who find us important enough to criticize while simultaneously suggesting that, due to our "lack of development," that we are not important.

This is cultural imperialism as it manifests in NationStates. Unfortunately for these cultural imperialists, regions like The Internationale cannot be subjugated or shut down in the same way that the West was able to dominate the native peoples of the continents they "discovered." Instead, we will happily continue our "backward" ways, empowering our comrades to be a part of the regional discussion, linking in solidarity with our leftist allies, and discussing matters that we find interesting and important. Those who want another experience are free to seek it, but they will not find another community that is "superior."

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NEWS · NATIONSTATES · MILITARY · EASTERN EUROPE

Eastern Europe is now back under its own administration after it was raided last Friday by the United Imperial Armed Forces, an interregional military alliance of The New Inquisition, The Land of Kings and Emperors, and Albion. Other militaries, including the military of the pseudo-leftist region The Communist Bloc, joined the occupation forces.

UIAF forces withdrew Friday afternoon, citing their original intent to occupy the region for one week. The region's community, recouping from the raid, are discussing the future. Though we do not share embassies, The Internationale stands in solidarity with our comrades and offers our support moving forward.

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COOKING · REAL WORLD · RECIPES · EGG DISHES
by Ratateague, R&B Culinary Editor

Welcome, tovarishch, to the first issue of POTLUC! Learn to subsist on one's own labor without such fanciful, bourgeois luxuries as expensive ingredients, specialty cookware, or ample counter space. Cook with enough time to spare to return to the fields! Without further ado, the meal of the day is a pomodoro egg bake, serving four.

Ingredients:

• 4 medium-sized tomatoes
• 1/2 cup parmesan cheese, shredded
• 4 eggs
• 2 tablespoons fresh basil, thinly sliced
• 4 English muffins, toasted

Directions:
Grate the cheese and chop the basil first. Preheat oven to 350 °F. Cut the top quarter off each tomato. Scoop out the insides, much like the bourgeoisie have gutted collective bargaining, leaving the shell. Drain any excess liquid—just as capital, vampire-like, drains living labor—and place the tomato shells on a baking dish/pan/sheet. For each shell, sprinkle 1 tablespoon of parmesan cheese to coat the inside. Gently break and slip an egg into each tomato, similar to the way unions have been broken across the country. Sprinkle sliced basil over the eggs.

Bake in the oven until egg whites set and yolks begin to thicken: approximately 30 minutes. Toast the English muffins at this time. Sprinkle remaining cheese over eggs, and serve on top of toasted English muffins. Eat, you are done!

Recipe from the American Egg Board.

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TNEWS · REAL WORLD · YEMEN
by Jane Cutter and Andy Freeman for Liberation News

Following the latest clashes in Sana'a between Houthi rebels and the government, and the collapse of a deal granting most if not all of the Houthi demands, Abd Rabbuh Mansur Hadi and his cabinet have resigned, leaving a huge question mark as to the future of Yemen, the poorest yet most populous country in the region. In 2012, Hadi had replaced Ali Abdullah Saleh, who was forced out by a people's movement after 33 years in office.

In the face of this unstable situation, the U.S. has at least temporarily suspended "counter-terrorism" operations with Yemen.

Houthi takeover
The Houthis essentially took over Sana'a, the northern capitol city, in September 2014. The Houthi rebellion started more than 10 years ago and had reached a ceasefire in 2010. What prompted the resurgence was the end of fuel subsidies in July 2014.

Once in the capitol, they forced the resignation of the Prime Minister, Mohammed Basindwa. What were they seeking? While their rebellion has always been about greater cultural and religious autonomy for their own group, the demands of the recent take-over have focused on changes to the constitution, "The latest violence appears to have been sparked by Houthi rejection of a draft constitution that divides the country into six federal regions, a move they fear would dilute their power. Houthi leaders accused Hadi of reneging on the U.N.-brokered deal, which promised better representation on a commission to oversee the drafting of a new constitution." (Al-Jazeera)

On Jan. 23, while thousands of Yemenis in Sana'a rallied in support of the Houthis, chanting anti-U.S. and anti-Israel slogans and calling for the unity of Yemen, thousands in southern cities Aden and Taiz rallied against what was called a Houthi coup (Al-Jazeera).

Context: Four way struggle
These latest developments in Yemen must be understood in the context of the ongoing four way struggle going on in the country. In the north, we have the Houthis, nominally Shi'ites, who are members of the Zaydi sect of Islam, unique to Yemen. The Imamate that ruled north Yemen until the Republican Revolution in 1962 was a Zaydi imamate. They are being supported by Iran and oppose the U.S. presence and intervention in their country. In the South, former site of the Peoples Democratic Republic of Yemen, there is a socialist independence movement. In the center of Yemen, Al Quaeda in the Arabian Peninsula plays a role. AQAP has claimed responsibility for the massacre at Charlie Hebdo in Paris. The fourth group is the central government, now possibly defunct, which while quite weak, has collaborated with imperialism and allowed the use of drones and other U.S. attacks on the Yemeni people, ostensibly in the service of the "war on terror." Suffice to say that each group is opposed to each of the others.

U.S. imperialism is quite concerned about the latest turn of events. The New York Times and other imperialist sources emphasize that the Houthis are Shi'ite, and are attempting to cast the conflict in Yemen as a sectarian one. However, the situation is much more complex than that. The Houthis are a tribal grouping from the North. Even before the ousting of Saleh, tribes represented the real power base in Yemen; Saleh was associated with the largest tribal group, and was known for his skill in buying off tribal leaderships and playing one tribe off against the other. It was often said the power of the central government existed in the major cities such as Sana'a, Aden and Taizz, and only extended as far as the paved roads, if that far.

Meanwhile it should not be forgotten that the south of Yemen, formerly a British colony, was after liberation a socialist republic, until the two Yemens reunited in 1990. A civil war ensued between north and south in 1994 and the capitalist north emerged victorious. Since then, the impact of globalization and neo-liberalism has been quite visible in this culturally rich but financially impoverished and underdeveloped nation.

The "Arab Spring" inspired struggle for democracy in Yemen brought tribesmen into the city where they participated in the Taghyir (Change) Square tent city. Since the ousting of Saleh, the struggle has continued, with civil wars raging in the north (with the Houthis) and in the south (with the southern movement for socialism).

Read the full article at Liberation News

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[Communist Eraser]

Hello,

This is Communist Eraser/Warzone Codger, former delegate and the main architect for the direction Eastern Europe the last couple of years. I read your latest update and was pleasantly surprised the things we have in common. Until now I avoided making interacting with "The Left" since my impression was either the ugly battles and debates with the "fash" that they are complete turn off, or in depth RL debates that are over my head. I am slightly left-wing/socialist in real life , but NS is simply a game to me and not an extension of my real life (and even in real life, I have competing interests to pursue than a depth study of socialism ) ).

Whether the Eastern Europe is a "leftist region"

Eastern Europe has over 10 years of history; from a hard-roleplaying region, falling into inactivity and attacks by raiders, leading subsequently to a controversial refound by Stalinist-sect natives which saved the region but spilt the community, to my efforts to reopen the region to be accepting to all. Present day Eastern Europe aims to embrace all thousand years of Eastern Europe history and culture and I deliberately emphasise this when promoting the region. I didn't want Eastern Europe to associate too closely with "the left" because Eastern Europe is not just the revolutionary period though it's the first thing people think about, Players/Nations interested in Eastern Europe from a modern, classical, monarchist, medieval etc angle are equally welcome here.

That said, there is distinction between type of players I want to attract in Eastern Europe and the regional government that needs to set up as a Gameplay matter which would encourage this. Here, it seems I have a lot in common with the "leftists", particularly so after your latest news article.

Eastern Europe's regional government is run by "Peacezone Theory". This is system was initially made up by Gameplayers firsts as technical suggestion and then a way for Gameplayers to play the game (like Francoism is made up as NS ideology that doesn't have a RL counterpart...and also why it's got a lame name like Peacezone Theory), though I did soon find similarities to associate it with Anarchist/Libertarian Socialism as you can see by the references throughout the thread for the region: viewtopic.php?f=12&t=223127 as "Libertarian Socialist Peacezone Theory" . However it was developed independently on the NS Left.

The main aim really is to have freest type of system which would feel comfortable to any type of player whether they are interested in EE was a revolutionary, a monarchists, a medievalist, a modernist etc. Our motivation is to be welcome to everybody rather than a deliberate attempt to promote an ideology.

As in "Libertarian Socialism", Peacezone Theory is about maximising social freedom and equality by eliminating all forms of institutional authority or "the state". However our focus was on practical Gameplay matters such as WFE policy, Delegate powers, Forum policy, WA voting etc summarised by our Four Principles and addendums Embassy policy and WA Voting.


On Cultural Imperialism

There is a lot in common between Eastern Europe's Peacezone Theory and your point on Cultural Imperialism. Eastern Europe does not worship the superiority of off site forums. Our principle is to be neutral to them and players can use them privately for their own discussion but it will not be given any official regional recognition. If an offsite forum does ever succeed in Eastern Europe it will be because the community genuinely wants enough that it was able to gain acceptance without any enforcement. So far, like you, we currently find the RMB to be the best for region.

Where Peacezone Theory in Eastern Europe differs from The Internationale is our radical drive to find alternatives to even "voting" where possible. Voting is still "imperialism" by majority rule which in many cases is the best option out there (and I want to emphasise that it isn't bad or a criticism), but we hope to be creative and try to find "win-win" options that allows everyone to do what they want. This was reflected by our approach to the WFE - suitably generic and links to pages that allow anyone to post everything, WA voting - Everyone has a turn in deciding how the delegate votes, people can trade their turns, Embassies - under review but either accept all, accept none, or accept if even one WA member wants it since "everyone" is a delegate. It's a little bit crazy, but I think it's fun.

There is a long way to go for Eastern Europe as we are a much smaller region and things have regressed since I stepped down. Hopefully this gives The Internationale a better understanding of us and commonalities and maybe closer relations when the time is right.

Tl:dr : Eastern Europe wants to attract all things related to Eastern Europe, not just leftists. EE's regional government however has a liberation-socialist bent since it provides the most free and welcome environment. Yet this was developed from a Gameplay angle "Peacezone Theory" rather than a left angle. As it turned out there are a lot of similarities with the NS left and The Internationale, but also some differences. EE is still quite far away from achieving our stated theoretical goals.

[Zenya]

The main aim really is to have freest type of system which would feel comfortable to any type of player whether they are interested in EE was a revolutionary, a monarchists, a medievalist, a modernist etc. Our motivation is to be welcome to everybody rather than a deliberate attempt to promote an ideology.

One of the biggest talking points I've heard is that you cannot be leftist or apart of their community if you have these policies. Monarchists especially are not accepted apparently
Only if you're being used as propaganda like EE is it suddenly acceptable to allow all types of people into your region

[Zenya]

On a separate note, I'm glad Misley listened to my criticism in the NS Left thread and is making changes to the process of TI. As I said, the RMB is ineffective in regional organization, so I'm happy to see a sudden change of heart on the matter.

[The Rainbow Collective]

On a separate note, I'm glad Misley listened to my criticism in the NS Left thread and is making changes to the process of TI. As I said, the RMB is ineffective in regional organization, so I'm happy to see a sudden change of heart on the matter.

I'm not seeing this in any of the articles...

[Zenya]

On a separate note, I'm glad Misley listened to my criticism in the NS Left thread and is making changes to the process of TI. As I said, the RMB is ineffective in regional organization, so I'm happy to see a sudden change of heart on the matter.

I'm not seeing this in any of the articles...

Its not, its TI-related, so any discussion of TI in TI's regional news service is on topic

[The Rainbow Collective]

I'm not seeing this in any of the articles...

Its not, its TI-related, so any discussion of TI in TI's regional news service is on topic

That's not what I mean. Where are you seeing that Comrade Misley is making changes to the process of The Internationale?

[Zenya]

Its not, its TI-related, so any discussion of TI in TI's regional news service is on topic

That's not what I mean. Where are you seeing that Comrade Misley is making changes to the process of The Internationale?

Me 13 hours ago:

Having no forum greatly contributes to these problems, as discussion is usually just buried eventually in the RMB after a few days or even hours and most people are unlikely to go back and read through. There are no records that people can look back upon

Misley 10 hours ago:

I am noticing that, while we do get solid participation on regional legislative questions (embassies, other matters up for the vote, etc.) that the RMB does move quickly and can cover these up. What do you think about putting current matters up for the vote in a dispatch, like the Red & Black, pinned to the WFE? Dispatches and the ability to pin them to the WFE wasn't around when we started, but it's something we've never considered taking advantage of for that purpose.

[The Rainbow Collective]

Ah, all right. I mean, I think that's a good idea - I proposed using the regional poll system for WA votes as part of my platform for Delegate, to reduce RMB voting clutter. I just didn't know what you were talking about.

[Solorni]

Balder has started voting on WA matters on the region proper in polls 22 hours ago