Aksun wrote:I don't know if this has been suggested yet... What if we restrict forum posting from new nations for about a month or so? It would eliminate the ass problem by preventing all but the most die hard troll.
And drive away any new members.
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by Katganistan » Fri Dec 19, 2014 2:15 pm
Aksun wrote:I don't know if this has been suggested yet... What if we restrict forum posting from new nations for about a month or so? It would eliminate the ass problem by preventing all but the most die hard troll.
by -The Unified Earth Governments- » Fri Dec 19, 2014 2:23 pm
Norstal wrote:Forsher wrote:
Yeah, I really think the mods are overly keen on DEATs for NSG punishments. Many (if not most) Generalites don't play NS and the loss of a nation doesn't really mean too much as a result... especially if they've not been around very long and are trollish.
Even DOS is not that effective. UnhealthyTruthSeeker was able to bypass his DOS multiple times, with Four-Side-Triangles being his last one. There's also that one creepy guy who masqueraded as a girl in the TET thread in NSG. I'm hoping those are just outliers, but I don't even know anymore.
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by The Blaatschapen » Fri Dec 19, 2014 2:28 pm
Norstal wrote:Forsher wrote:
Yeah, I really think the mods are overly keen on DEATs for NSG punishments. Many (if not most) Generalites don't play NS and the loss of a nation doesn't really mean too much as a result... especially if they've not been around very long and are trollish.
Even DOS is not that effective. UnhealthyTruthSeeker was able to bypass his DOS multiple times, with Four-Side-Triangles being his last one. There's also that one creepy guy who masqueraded as a girl in the TET thread in NSG. I'm hoping those are just outliers, but I don't even know anymore.
by Norstal » Fri Dec 19, 2014 2:43 pm
The Blaatschapen wrote:Norstal wrote:Even DOS is not that effective. UnhealthyTruthSeeker was able to bypass his DOS multiple times, with Four-Side-Triangles being his last one. There's also that one creepy guy who masqueraded as a girl in the TET thread in NSG. I'm hoping those are just outliers, but I don't even know anymore.
Masquerading as a girl in TET (or the rest of NS) does not get you DoS (not that you said that, but it could be implied from the post). I mean, some people masquerade as sheep.
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by The Corparation » Fri Dec 19, 2014 2:51 pm
Norstal wrote:There was Avalar. I was pretty sure there was another one that pretended to be a girl though who was previously DOS, but I I might've mis-remembered.
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by -The Unified Earth Governments- » Fri Dec 19, 2014 2:53 pm
The Corparation wrote:Norstal wrote:There was Avalar. I was pretty sure there was another one that pretended to be a girl though who was previously DOS, but I I might've mis-remembered.
Avalar never claimed to be a girl. Instead they tried to pass of pictures they found on the internet as pictures of themself. Pictures that were apparently traced back to a gay pornstar's twitter feed. That or someone noticed the resemblance while engaged in Non-NS appropriate activities elsewhere on The Internet. also don't think that user was ever DOS. They just left in shame.
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by Swith Witherward » Fri Dec 19, 2014 2:54 pm
Aksun wrote:I don't know if this has been suggested yet... What if we restrict forum posting from new nations for about a month or so? It would eliminate the ass problem by preventing all but the most die hard troll.
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by Shaggai » Fri Dec 19, 2014 6:32 pm
Nazi Flower Power wrote:Reploid Productions wrote:So what would be a desirable way to land harder on things, while still maintaining the flexibility necessary? Do away with slap-on-the-wrist unofficial warnings and cautions in favor of always going for *** the ominous red text? *** Default to 1-day bans on first offenses/greater use of short-term bans lower on the punishment ladder? These are the sorts of things that will give us helpful feedback. For instance, I would be okay skipping the unofficial cautions in favor of going straight to the official warning; unofficials largely serve the purpose of simply building up a picture of the user's habits, but the redtext could serve in that role as well. Heck, I'd even be down with more liberal use of short term 1-day bans, though I imagine people would still be unhappy whenever a bad day or flash of temper lands them on the receiving end of one.
I would prefer you don't hand out 1 day bans willy-nilly. Handing out more official warnings rather than knock-it-offs would be OK. Maybe more less-than-a-day bans if it looks like a usually-good poster has just lost their temper. A couple of hours is enough for someone to regain their composure without the nuisance of being banned for a whole day.
by Grenartia » Fri Dec 19, 2014 7:03 pm
Frisbeeteria wrote:The Batorys wrote:Don't you have to have an email registered to post on the forums?
Unfortunately, it's just as easy to use a throwaway email account as it is to have a variable IP address. Requiring an email before posting would slow a dedicated troll by perhaps 30 seconds. If they knew about the rule in advance, 5 seconds. Even if we required everyone to use a 'reputable' email provider like Gmail or forced them to use Facebook's login verification system, it's still easy to bypass by making multiple accounts. Believe me, we've looked at these things, and they're not a panacea.
by Informationland » Fri Dec 19, 2014 7:34 pm
Urran wrote:It's simple, you break the rules, you get punished. I try my hardest to stay in line. I love the mods.
by Fartsniffage » Fri Dec 19, 2014 8:04 pm
Frisbeeteria wrote:Fartsniffage wrote:Thing is, you have all of these issues enforcing DOS's, and yet you still use it as a punishment.
We wouldn't call it "Delete On Sight" if our toolbox allowed us to ban them outright. We'd just go with the straight up ban from the start. As it is, all we can do is kill their nations and block what we can, when we can. I'd love to have RSP/IP (Remote Strangling Protocol over IP) for some of our more persistent assholes, but that technology is still years away. Seriously, short of sending someone to their house and smashing their keyboard hands with a hammer, somebody who wants to be an ass on the internet can continue to be an ass on the internet. If you've got better ideas, I'm all ears.
by Katganistan » Sat Dec 20, 2014 9:54 am
Fartsniffage wrote:Sorry. I don't think you understood my point. DOS's are an imperfect solution to an issue due to the way the site is set up, banning deleted people from creating new nations for a while would also be an imperfect solution due to the same technical issues. What would be the material difference?
If someone creates a new nation and it's picked up then the new nation gets a ban with a message pointing towards the deletion message/post for the set term. If they don't get caught then well done them, perhaps they learned a bit of a lesson from the deletion and kept their heads down.
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by NERVUN » Sat Dec 20, 2014 2:43 pm
Fartsniffage wrote:Frisbeeteria wrote:We wouldn't call it "Delete On Sight" if our toolbox allowed us to ban them outright. We'd just go with the straight up ban from the start. As it is, all we can do is kill their nations and block what we can, when we can. I'd love to have RSP/IP (Remote Strangling Protocol over IP) for some of our more persistent assholes, but that technology is still years away. Seriously, short of sending someone to their house and smashing their keyboard hands with a hammer, somebody who wants to be an ass on the internet can continue to be an ass on the internet. If you've got better ideas, I'm all ears.
Sorry. I don't think you understood my point. DOS's are an imperfect solution to an issue due to the way the site is set up, banning deleted people from creating new nations for a while would also be an imperfect solution due to the same technical issues. What would be the material difference?
If someone creates a new nation and it's picked up then the new nation gets a ban with a message pointing towards the deletion message/post for the set term. If they don't get caught then well done them, perhaps they learned a bit of a lesson from the deletion and kept their heads down.
by Esternial » Sat Dec 20, 2014 3:28 pm
Shaggai wrote:Nazi Flower Power wrote:
I would prefer you don't hand out 1 day bans willy-nilly. Handing out more official warnings rather than knock-it-offs would be OK. Maybe more less-than-a-day bans if it looks like a usually-good poster has just lost their temper. A couple of hours is enough for someone to regain their composure without the nuisance of being banned for a whole day.
I think that if someone breaks the rules, they should get at least an official warning. Unofficial warnings and knock-it-offs shouldn't be used for rules violations.
by -The Unified Earth Governments- » Sat Dec 20, 2014 3:31 pm
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by Esternial » Sat Dec 20, 2014 3:35 pm
-The Unified Earth Governments- wrote:There should be thread ban and specific forum ban features.
by Shaggai » Sat Dec 20, 2014 3:36 pm
Esternial wrote:Shaggai wrote:I think that if someone breaks the rules, they should get at least an official warning. Unofficial warnings and knock-it-offs shouldn't be used for rules violations.
One day bans could be a good deterrent to get the message across, especially when someone needs to take a moment to cool off.
I think they should become part of the Mod's quick response equipment for certain flaming/trolling offences, though they shouldn't carry a (much) greater weight to future punishments compared to an official warning. One day bans, in my own opinion, could be a useful alternative for warnings depending on the Mod's discretion. It's a good deterrent, but used poorly may cause a shitstorm for the Mod using it.
Esternial wrote:-The Unified Earth Governments- wrote:There should be thread ban and specific forum ban features.
May be hard to enforce that, code-wise.
If possible, a one (or a bit longer) hour ban would be brilliant. Good for giving people a time out instead of a warning, and not as long as a one-day ban.
by Cyrisnia » Sat Dec 20, 2014 4:42 pm
Esternial wrote:-The Unified Earth Governments- wrote:There should be thread ban and specific forum ban features.
May be hard to enforce that, code-wise.
If possible, a one (or a bit longer) hour ban would be brilliant. Good for giving people a time out instead of a warning, and not as long as a one-day ban.
by NERVUN » Sat Dec 20, 2014 5:00 pm
-The Unified Earth Governments- wrote:There should be thread ban and specific forum ban features.
by NERVUN » Sat Dec 20, 2014 5:01 pm
Shaggai wrote:Esternial wrote:One day bans could be a good deterrent to get the message across, especially when someone needs to take a moment to cool off.
I think they should become part of the Mod's quick response equipment for certain flaming/trolling offences, though they shouldn't carry a (much) greater weight to future punishments compared to an official warning. One day bans, in my own opinion, could be a useful alternative for warnings depending on the Mod's discretion. It's a good deterrent, but used poorly may cause a shitstorm for the Mod using it.
If it's just a cool-off, a 1-hour or 6-hour ban is probably more useful.
by Esternial » Sat Dec 20, 2014 5:09 pm
NERVUN wrote:-The Unified Earth Governments- wrote:There should be thread ban and specific forum ban features.
That would be very hard to actually do.
It IS possible, but it would be a nightmare given that is dealing with the permissions for the forum, right now only Reppy can actually do that and there's no automated system.
Now, supposedly, the code is changing all the time so if there is a new release we might have those tools in the pocket, but for right now...
by The Blaatschapen » Sat Dec 20, 2014 5:17 pm
Esternial wrote:NERVUN wrote:That would be very hard to actually do.
It IS possible, but it would be a nightmare given that is dealing with the permissions for the forum, right now only Reppy can actually do that and there's no automated system.
Now, supposedly, the code is changing all the time so if there is a new release we might have those tools in the pocket, but for right now...
Or we clone Reppy and make the rest of the Mod team redundant *nod*
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