Ban on atheism

[Skinia]

Then the constitution is in the wrong. No one should have the right to breach the freedom of religion of anyone.

It isn't in the wrong. Archeuland apparently has never read the Constitution, because the 14th Amendment makes most od the Bill of Rights applicable to the states.

That's good then!

[Meridiani Planum]

Ah, yes. Yet another thread in which atheists attack religion just because it exists.

Yeah, it is totally the atheists on the attack. It's not like someone suggested that atheism should have some kind of legal penalty.

[The Kokyuna Clan]

Atheism should be banned. We're all better off without it.

List of famous atheists
Hitler
Kim-Jong Un
Mao
Fidel Castro
Stalin
Che Guevara
Obama
Pol Pot

>implying every Atheist is like that

poster, pls.

[Atomic Utopia]

For our NSers in the Peoples Republic of China I will ask this.

Since when was there a first amendment that outlined such things?

The First Amendment and the entire Bill of Rights applies to the federal government alone. The 10th Amendment specifically delineates states' rights. Since the Bill of Rights is only on a federal level, states are free to determine as they please in regard to religious matters.

Thomas Jefferson, our so-called 'secularist' founding father, was really a believer in Jesus Christ, and he believed that states had the right to have official religions. I have the sources to prove it if it interests any of you.

I am looking at the constitution of the Peoples Republic of China from this source. I cannot find any first amendment in there at all, so which nation are we talking about again?

[Skinia]

Atheism should be banned. We're all better off without it.

List of famous atheists
Hitler
Kim-Jong Un
Mao
Fidel Castro
Stalin
Che Guevara
Obama
Pol Pot

Christianity has killed way more than any other cause or religion. Let's outlaw Christianity first and foremost.

[Dyakovo]

The First Amendment - in this nation - restricts the federal government alone. There can be no federal ban on atheism, but states are free to do as they please, Incorporation Clause having no real effect other than a recognition on the states' part that the federal government cannot establish a national religion. States are free to be as theocratic or secularist as they and their people please.

You are, as usual, wrong.

[Pandeeria]

Atheism should be banned. We're all better off without it.

List of famous atheists
Hitler
Kim-Jong Un
Mao
Fidel Castro
Stalin
Che Guevara
Obama
Pol Pot

Are you actually being serious, or are you making an attempt at trolling?

[Scomagia]

Atheism should be banned. We're all better off without it.

List of famous atheists
Hitler
Kim-Jong Un
Mao
Fidel Castro
Stalin
Che Guevara
Obama
Pol Pot

>implying every Atheist is like that

poster, pls.

What's worse is that a number of those people weren't Atheists.

[Lost heros]

But a god doesn't have a 50% chance of existing before factoring relevant variables.
So you have evidence, but instead of sharing that evidence you'd rather just say "nah you're wrong"
But one of the criteria for the Abrahamic Christian God is that He is omnipotent, and by the definition of omnipotence He can do whatever He feels like. So He could fix things and maintain free will.

1.I did provide evidence of the illusion of why you God is not bluntly obvious. Like we can't see electrons but you believe they are there through actions or their effects. Like I do God, through science and effects. 2. Again he can, but I see him as a parent and we are allowed to do as we wish. he would be breaking his promise if it was notice, but then it could be unnoticeable while keeping it. Meaning he/she could have done something like that all ready (that was deep).
here is an example of why it starts as 50/50.
3. Will you die tomorrow? Thats a 50/50 shot why? Yes or no. Now are you young or old? Crime rate in given area, medical record etc. These are all variables that change the yes or no.

1. We can reasonably attribute the effects of electrons to electrons because we can test for them and experiment with them. We cannot do the same for god.
2. If he can both maintain free will and ensure we are all good, why doesn't he?
3. In the question "Will you die tomorrow?" there are only two possible outcomes. Dying, or not dying. There are more than two possible outcomes for "Does God exist?"

[Nord Amour]

Ah, yes. Yet another thread in which atheists attack religion just because it exists.

The only thing worse than a bunch of ragtag Starbucks Marxists attacking religion is a massive generalization.

When atheists argue that religion isn't real

Who said this?

or relevant, they are merely starting a morbid pissing contest because they can't fully explain things that religion can explain.

Ah yes, religion has offered this species so many satisfying answers to such questions as "should adulterers be stoned to death" and "what chakra is purple and which is red?'"

I hear people saying that religion is bullshit on this thread, yet the only, ahem, "reliable" response they give is just "I don't see him, therefore nonexistent."

I agree, that's silly.

Okay, well then individual atoms don't exist because I don't see them. Just because you can't see something doesn't automatically mean it doesn't exist. To oversimplify it for some of the imbecile intellectually challenged atheists on this thread:

Unable to be directly observed =/= nonexistent

I agree, but problems also occur when the aforementioned lack of observable evidence is used to argue in favor of God's existence.

[Mavorpen]

Atheism should be banned. We're all better off without it.

List of famous atheists
Hitler
Kim-Jong Un
Mao
Fidel Castro
Stalin
Che Guevara
Obama
Pol Pot

Are you actually being serious, or are you making an attempt at trolling?

If you have to ask, then, really, what does that tell you?

[Lunalia]

>implying every Atheist is like that

poster, pls.

What's worse is that a number of those people weren't Atheists.

Oh good, someone said that before I could

[Imsogone]

Ban on atheism - really? So what you really want to do is make a whole group of people into hypocrites. That's right - you can't stop people from believing or not believing, you can only force them underground. That means that all the atheists will be pretending to believe, which means they'll be forced into hypocrisy to survive. How very Christian.

By the way, just what does your religion say about hypocrisy? Oh, wait - it's bad. According to what I understand of your religion it's better to not believe than it is to be a hypocrite. I don't think your peculiar deity, if he, she or it exists, would approve of you forcing people to be hypocrites in order to survive.

[Shallia]

Atheism should be banned. We're all better off without it.

List of famous atheists
Hitler
Kim-Jong Un
Mao
Fidel Castro
Stalin
Che Guevara
Obama
Pol Pot

hitler was catholic

[Dyakovo]

Atheism is just as much a faith based viewpoint as is theism; both are postulating a position which cannot be proved. A lack of evidence of the existence of God or Gods is not evidence of a lack of the existence of God or Gods. If you want a logically justifiable position, only the agnostic qualifies (although that is much less emotionally satisfying than either of the two extreme positions and much less fun to argue as well).

Wrong. Atheism requires no faith.

[Archeuland and Baughistan]

The First Amendment and the entire Bill of Rights applies to the federal government alone. The 10th Amendment specifically delineates states' rights. Since the Bill of Rights is only on a federal level, states are free to determine as they please in regard to religious matters.

Thomas Jefferson, our so-called 'secularist' founding father, was really a believer in Jesus Christ, and he believed that states had the right to have official religions. I have the sources to prove it if it interests any of you.

Were you there?

This is where you apply the observational and historical science. Because science - which is really all forms of knowledge - applies to history as well, we use observational science to look at various sources to make authoritative statements about the past.

I can understand that Jefferson was a Deist, but he was very much a follower of Christ to the best of my knowledge, and believed in state's rights.

Here are some quotes by Jefferson:

Of all the systems of morality, ancient or modern, which have come under my observation, none appear to me so pure as that of Jesus.

As Jefferson wrote to Samuel Miller on January 23, 1808:

I consider the government of the U.S. a interdicted by the Constitution from intermeddling with religious institutions, their doctrines, discipline, or exercises. This results not only from the provision that no law shall be made respecting the establishment, or free exercise, of reilgion, but from that also which reserves to the states the powers not delegated to the U.S.

Certainly no power to prescribe any religious exercise, or to assume authority in religious discipline, has been delegated to the general government. It must then rest with the states as far as it can be in any human authority.

[Free United Provinces of East Torkelburg]

Oh my God, this thread is still going on?

[Scomagia]

Oh my God, this thread is still going on?

Oh my, is another person bitching about the thread without contributing?

[Pandeeria]

Were you there?

This is where you apply the observational and historical science. Because science - which is really all forms of knowledge - applies to history as well, we use observational science to look at various sources to make authoritative statements about the past.

I can understand that Jefferson was a Deist, but he was very much a follower of Christ to the best of my knowledge, and believed in state's rights.

Here are some quotes by Jefferson:

Of all the systems of morality, ancient or modern, which have come under my observation, none appear to me so pure as that of Jesus.

As Jefferson wrote to Samuel Miller on January 23, 1808:

I consider the government of the U.S. a interdicted by the Constitution from intermeddling with religious institutions, their doctrines, discipline, or exercises. This results not only from the provision that no law shall be made respecting the establishment, or free exercise, of reilgion, but from that also which reserves to the states the powers not delegated to the U.S.

Certainly no power to prescribe any religious exercise, or to assume authority in religious discipline, has been delegated to the general government. It must then rest with the states as far as it can be in any human authority.

Our founding fathers weren't perfect.

Secularism triumphs what a single man thinks.

[The Kokyuna Clan]

What's worse is that a number of those people weren't Atheists.

To me, your religion is irrelevant if you're an evil damn dictator.

If you're an asshole, you're an asshole, end of story.

Though, their religion does become relevent when people are using it as an excuse to attack people of similar/identical beliefs.

Oh wait, sorry, I'm not acting like a true atheist.

I MUST WIPE OUT ALL OF THE BELIEVERS!

[Mavorpen]

Were you there?

This is where you apply the observational and historical science. Because science - which is really all forms of knowledge - applies to history as well, we use observational science to look at various sources to make authoritative statements about the past.

I can understand that Jefferson was a Deist, but he was very much a follower of Christ to the best of my knowledge, and believed in state's rights.

Here are some quotes by Jefferson:

Of all the systems of morality, ancient or modern, which have come under my observation, none appear to me so pure as that of Jesus.

As Jefferson wrote to Samuel Miller on January 23, 1808:

I consider the government of the U.S. a interdicted by the Constitution from intermeddling with religious institutions, their doctrines, discipline, or exercises. This results not only from the provision that no law shall be made respecting the establishment, or free exercise, of reilgion, but from that also which reserves to the states the powers not delegated to the U.S.

Certainly no power to prescribe any religious exercise, or to assume authority in religious discipline, has been delegated to the general government. It must then rest with the states as far as it can be in any human authority.

Who. Cares? The 14th Amendment makes most of the Bill of Rights, including the First Amendment, applicable to the states.

[-The Unified Earth Governments-]

Oh my God, this thread is still going on?

Oh my, is another person bitching about the thread without contributing?

I did both!

Oh and sorry about the um...diddling goats comment, I am sure goats don't like hearing that...sorry...

[Pandeeria]

Oh my God, this thread is still going on?

Oh my, is another person bitching about the thread without contributing?

Those people suck. They should just leave.

[Soviet Haaregrad]

Were you there?

This is where you apply the observational and historical science. Because science - which is really all forms of knowledge - applies to history as well, we use observational science to look at various sources to make authoritative statements about the past.

I can understand that Jefferson was a Deist, but he was very much a follower of Christ to the best of my knowledge, and believed in state's rights.

Here are some quotes by Jefferson:

Of all the systems of morality, ancient or modern, which have come under my observation, none appear to me so pure as that of Jesus.

As Jefferson wrote to Samuel Miller on January 23, 1808:

I consider the government of the U.S. a interdicted by the Constitution from intermeddling with religious institutions, their doctrines, discipline, or exercises. This results not only from the provision that no law shall be made respecting the establishment, or free exercise, of reilgion, but from that also which reserves to the states the powers not delegated to the U.S.

Certainly no power to prescribe any religious exercise, or to assume authority in religious discipline, has been delegated to the general government. It must then rest with the states as far as it can be in any human authority.

Jefferson might have seen Jesus as a great moral leader and guru, he doesn't seem to have worshipped him as his god though. Not everyone who venerates Jesus is a Christian after all (just ask the Muslims...).

[Scomagia]

Oh my, is another person bitching about the thread without contributing?

I did both!

Oh and sorry about the um...diddling goats comment, I am sure goats don't like hearing that...sorry...

But some haven't, which was my point.

Forgiven.