Man beheads woman in United States

[Avenio]

Well, again, if this was a premeditated attack brought on by his religion, we would expect it to have been planned. The fact that he tried to drive away from the site after being fired, crashed his car on the way out, then came back to the building suggests that being fired may have triggered a psychotic break with reality or something similar. If that's the case, then his religion really has nothing to do with it - the intense religiosity was a symptom of the untreated/undiagnosed mental illness that caused the attack, not the other way around. Blaming the attack on him being a Muslim is missing the point entirely.

And there we have the dichotomy. Either the fact he wasMuslim was irrelevant or you're blaming Islam. It's an insane standard we don't apply anywhere else.

You were blaming Islam, though. Lets take a little saunter up-page, shall we?

Why do people have a blindspot with Muslims? The guy went hardcore Muslim, tried to convert people to Islam, celebrated terrorist attacks, denigrated non muslims, declared sharia law was coming, announced Islam would rule the world, warned that the statue of liberty would burn and so would anybody with her, celebrated beheadings by terrorist groups, and then murdered his co worker by beheading. Why the fuck are people acting like the idea he was religiously motivated is some baseless and offensive suggestion?

You didn't mention the fact that he was probably mentally ill anywhere in your explanation of what happened. You also glossed over the fact that the event seems to be have been spur-of-the-moment and triggered by literal psychosis, as evidence by his erratic behaviour prior to the attack. You even ignore the fact that he was fired moments before the attack as a potential motivating factor - the only thing you think to list as a reason why this happened was that he 'went hardcore Muslim'.

That's blaming Islam. If you don't like being called out for irrationally squawking about his religion, then perhaps you shouldn't squawk about his religion?

[Des-Bal]

You were blaming Islam, though. Lets take a little saunter up-page, shall we?

Why do people have a blindspot with Muslims? The guy went hardcore Muslim, tried to convert people to Islam, celebrated terrorist attacks, denigrated non muslims, declared sharia law was coming, announced Islam would rule the world, warned that the statue of liberty would burn and so would anybody with her, celebrated beheadings by terrorist groups, and then murdered his co worker by beheading. Why the fuck are people acting like the idea he was religiously motivated is some baseless and offensive suggestion?

You didn't mention the fact that he was probably mentally ill anywhere in your explanation of what happened. You also glossed over the fact that the event seems to be have been spur-of-the-moment and triggered by literal psychosis, as evidence by his erratic behaviour prior to the attack. You even ignore the fact that he was fired moments before the attack as a potential motivating factor - the only thing you think to list as a reason why this happened was that he 'went hardcore Muslim'.

That's blaming Islam. If you don't like being called out for irrationally squawking about his religion, then perhaps you shouldn't squawk about his religion?

No, no I wasn't. I didn't bring up mental illness because there is NO reluctance to suggest his mental illness was at issue.

[Avenio]

You were blaming Islam, though. Lets take a little saunter up-page, shall we?



You didn't mention the fact that he was probably mentally ill anywhere in your explanation of what happened. You also glossed over the fact that the event seems to be have been spur-of-the-moment and triggered by literal psychosis, as evidence by his erratic behaviour prior to the attack. You even ignore the fact that he was fired moments before the attack as a potential motivating factor - the only thing you think to list as a reason why this happened was that he 'went hardcore Muslim'.

That's blaming Islam. If you don't like being called out for irrationally squawking about his religion, then perhaps you shouldn't squawk about his religion?

No, no I wasn't. I didn't bring up mental illness because there is NO reluctance to suggest his mental illness was at issue.

On your part there certainly is. You're quite eager to call him a 'lone wolf' or a 'hardcore Muslim' and paint him with the terrorist brush, but you're fighting tooth and nail the suggestion that he may have just been a severely mentally ill man whose untreated condition lead him to attack someone.

[Des-Bal]

On your part there certainly is. You're quite eager to call him a 'lone wolf' or a 'hardcore Muslim' and paint him with the terrorist brush, but you're fighting tooth and nail the suggestion that he may have just been a severely mentally ill man whose untreated condition lead him to attack someone.

Lone Wolf attackers don't have to be religiously motivated and I'm eager to see if you're prepared to deny he was hardcore. If you go on a rampage there's something fucking wrong with you that has never been called into question. The guy who crashed into the IRS building was a lunatic but when you ask why he did it you say because he hated the government. It's understood that crazy people are chiefly driven by their craziness but likewise there's no question that "I'm crazy" is almost never what's going through their head when they do what they do.

[Greed and Death]

The Republicans have called for outlawing islam, and improving freedom of religion.

[Ifreann]

The Republicans have called for outlawing islam, and improving freedom of religion.

If someone else said that we might even believe it.

[Greed and Death]

The Republicans have called for outlawing islam, and improving freedom of religion.

If someone else said that we might even believe it.

The sad part is the world is more like my humor then even I care to admit.

[Archeuland and Baughistan]

I do not understand what is unreasonable about assuming this had to do with the man's Islamic beliefs. The Quran and Hadiths call for the execution of infidels and Jews and those who do not believe in Islam. This man's Facebook page was littered with pictures of Osama bin Laden, Islamist propaganda, and even a beheading video. Unfortunately, the Quran and the Hadiths encourage acts of violence such as these.

http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/verses/008-qmt.php#008.012

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

http://quran.com/47/4

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I do not understand what is unreasonable about assuming this had to do with the man's Islamic beliefs. The Quran and Hadiths call for the execution of infidels and Jews and those who do not believe in Islam. This man's Facebook page was littered with pictures of Osama bin Laden, Islamist propaganda, and even a beheading video. Unfortunately, the Quran and the Hadiths encourage acts of violence such as these.

http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/verses/008-qmt.php#008.012

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

http://quran.com/47/4

The problem is that only an unstable individual would act in the way he did (losing his shit, grabbing the nearest cutting object and stabbing a woman to death because he was fired within a short amount of time).

There is nothing to suggest he was of able mind at the time this happened.

Oh, and before you say it is exclusively because of religion, Christianity also was of the mind that we should kill infidels for the glory of God - and I am not talking about the Crusades either, because people took the liberty to do the same to the Natives in the American continent. And Christians also lose their shit as well, frequently.

[Ifreann]

I do not understand what is unreasonable about assuming this had to do with the man's Islamic beliefs

The fact that nothing about the attack appears to be motivated by his Muslim faith. He didn't attack infidels or some symbol of America, he attacked people at the place he had just been fired from. He didn't enact a plan to terrorise people, that we know of, he just grabbed a knife after being fired.

[Archeuland and Baughistan]

I do not understand what is unreasonable about assuming this had to do with the man's Islamic beliefs. The Quran and Hadiths call for the execution of infidels and Jews and those who do not believe in Islam. This man's Facebook page was littered with pictures of Osama bin Laden, Islamist propaganda, and even a beheading video. Unfortunately, the Quran and the Hadiths encourage acts of violence such as these.

http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/verses/008-qmt.php#008.012

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

http://quran.com/47/4

The problem is that only an unstable individual would act in the way he did (losing his shit, grabbing the nearest cutting object and stabbing a woman to death because he was fired within a short amount of time).

There is nothing to suggest he was of able mind at the time this happened.

Oh, and before you say it is exclusively because of religion, Christianity also was of the mind that we should kill infidels for the glory of God - and I am not talking about the Crusades either, because people took the liberty to do the same to the Natives in the American continent. And Christians also lose their shit as well, frequently.

The difference between the Christian Bible and the Islamic scriptures is as far as east is to west. The Christian Bible never calls for the killing of non-Christians (or non-Jews, in the case of the OT). The Qu'ran and Hadiths is explicit in calling for the deaths or punishment of non-believers -- the jizya tax (an infidel tax).

Quran 4:34 calls for domestic violence against disobedient wives wives:

Quran 4:34 - Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand.

Whereas the Christian Bible calls for cooperation and peace between wives and husbands:

1 Peter 3:37 - Husbands, in the same way be considerate as you live with your wives, and treat them with respect as the weaker partner and as heirs with you of the gracious gift of life, so that nothing will hinder your prayers.

Mark 10:8 - and the two will become one flesh.' So they are no longer two, but one flesh.

Did you know that the responsibility for the Crusades happening in the first place lies with the Muslims? They violently conquered and destroyed the land of Israel and restyled it 'Palestine'. There were about 37,000 people in the Crusaders army (certainly not a genocidal force as the revisionists like to call it), versus an unknown amount of Muslims in the Ummah force. Christians and Jews both believe the holy land of Israel belongs to the people of God -- the Hebrews. Islam is not as sympathetic, and believes that because Mohammed supposedly visited Jerusalem, they automatically own it. That isn't fair. The Jews and Christians were there first. It's just another example of intolerance and violence that characterizes Islam.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Crusade

Can you provide me examples of wide-spread (over 10%) of all Christians in the world going on murderous rampages, establishing Sharia-like laws, slaughtering women and children, etc? Fundamentalist Islam, as we call it, makes up over 10% of the Muslims in the world. Initially Islam was completely immoderate -- when it was led by Mohammed, it was particularly violent.



The dark red is all the territory captured by Mohammed -- his successors (Caliphs) captured the rest within two hundred years. Do you really think that the religion of 'peace' captured all this land 'peacefully'? All of Europe would most likely have been taken by Islam had not Charles Martel defeated the Islamic invasion of France back in 732.

[Ifreann]

The problem is that only an unstable individual would act in the way he did (losing his shit, grabbing the nearest cutting object and stabbing a woman to death because he was fired within a short amount of time).

There is nothing to suggest he was of able mind at the time this happened.

Oh, and before you say it is exclusively because of religion, Christianity also was of the mind that we should kill infidels for the glory of God - and I am not talking about the Crusades either, because people took the liberty to do the same to the Natives in the American continent. And Christians also lose their shit as well, frequently.

The difference between the Christian Bible and the Islamic scriptures is as far as east is to west. The Christian Bible never calls for the killing of non-Christians (or non-Jews, in the case of the OT). The Qu'ran and Hadiths is explicit in calling for the deaths or punishment of non-believers -- the jizya tax (an infidel tax).

Quran 4:34 calls for domestic violence against disobedient wives wives:

Quran 4:34 - Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand.

Whereas the Christian Bible calls for cooperation and peace between wives and husbands:

1 Peter 3:37 - Husbands, in the same way be considerate as you live with your wives, and treat them with respect as the weaker partner and as heirs with you of the gracious gift of life, so that nothing will hinder your prayers.

Mark 10:8 - and the two will become one flesh.' So they are no longer two, but one flesh.

Did you know that the responsibility for the Crusades happening in the first place lies with the Muslims? They violently conquered and destroyed the land of Israel and restyled it 'Palestine'. There were about 37,000 people in the Crusaders army (certainly not a genocidal force as the revisionists like to call it), versus an unknown amount of Muslims in the Ummah force. Christians and Jews both believe the holy land of Israel belongs to the people of God -- the Hebrews. Islam is not as sympathetic, and believes that because Mohammed supposedly visited Jerusalem, they automatically own it. That isn't fair. The Jews and Christians were there first. It's just another example of intolerance and violence that characterizes Islam.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Crusade

Can you provide me examples of wide-spread (over 10%) of all Christians in the world going on murderous rampages, establishing Sharia-like laws, slaughtering women and children, etc? Fundamentalist Islam, as we call it, makes up over 10% of the Muslims in the world. Initially Islam was completely immoderate -- when it was led by Mohammed, it was particularly violent.



The dark red is all the territory captured by Mohammed -- his successors (Caliphs) captured the rest within two hundred years. Do you really think that the religion of 'peace' captured all this land 'peacefully'? All of Europe would most likely have been taken by Islam had not Charles Martel defeated the Islamic invasion of France back in 732.

This thread is not about Islam, gentlemen.

[Ordia]

Heard all about this, it happend just down the road from my house. Really tragic, plus this is the kinda thing that will probably be stuck with that place for along time if not forever.

[Ifreann]

Heard all about this, it happend just down the road from my house. Really tragic, plus this is the kinda thing that will probably be stuck with that place for along time if not forever.

No one wants to live in that one town where a dude chopped someone's head off.

[Ordia]

Heard all about this, it happend just down the road from my house. Really tragic, plus this is the kinda thing that will probably be stuck with that place for along time if not forever.

No one wants to live in that one town where a dude chopped someone's head off.

Ya, well I would understand if they didn't. But hopefully we can put him away (If he ever wakes up) and try to heal.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

The problem is that only an unstable individual would act in the way he did (losing his shit, grabbing the nearest cutting object and stabbing a woman to death because he was fired within a short amount of time).

There is nothing to suggest he was of able mind at the time this happened.

Oh, and before you say it is exclusively because of religion, Christianity also was of the mind that we should kill infidels for the glory of God - and I am not talking about the Crusades either, because people took the liberty to do the same to the Natives in the American continent. And Christians also lose their shit as well, frequently.

The difference between the Christian Bible and the Islamic scriptures is as far as east is to west. The Christian Bible never calls for the killing of non-Christians (or non-Jews, in the case of the OT). The Qu'ran and Hadiths is explicit in calling for the deaths or punishment of non-believers -- the jizya tax (an infidel tax).

Quran 4:34 calls for domestic violence against disobedient wives wives:

Quran 4:34 - Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand.

Whereas the Christian Bible calls for cooperation and peace between wives and husbands:

1 Peter 3:37 - Husbands, in the same way be considerate as you live with your wives, and treat them with respect as the weaker partner and as heirs with you of the gracious gift of life, so that nothing will hinder your prayers.

Mark 10:8 - and the two will become one flesh.' So they are no longer two, but one flesh.

Did you know that the responsibility for the Crusades happening in the first place lies with the Muslims? They violently conquered and destroyed the land of Israel and restyled it 'Palestine'. There were about 37,000 people in the Crusaders army (certainly not a genocidal force as the revisionists like to call it), versus an unknown amount of Muslims in the Ummah force. Christians and Jews both believe the holy land of Israel belongs to the people of God -- the Hebrews. Islam is not as sympathetic, and believes that because Mohammed supposedly visited Jerusalem, they automatically own it. That isn't fair. The Jews and Christians were there first. It's just another example of intolerance and violence that characterizes Islam.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Crusade

Can you provide me examples of wide-spread (over 10%) of all Christians in the world going on murderous rampages, establishing Sharia-like laws, slaughtering women and children, etc? Fundamentalist Islam, as we call it, makes up over 10% of the Muslims in the world. Initially Islam was completely immoderate -- when it was led by Mohammed, it was particularly violent.



The dark red is all the territory captured by Mohammed -- his successors (Caliphs) captured the rest within two hundred years. Do you really think that the religion of 'peace' captured all this land 'peacefully'? All of Europe would most likely have been taken by Islam had not Charles Martel defeated the Islamic invasion of France back in 732.

Dude, I'm not talking about Islam in general. If you want to go there start your own thread.

What I am saying is that religion, in this particular case, only had a nominal case because of some lunatic actually thinking it was a good idea to join Islam and when he lost his shit and killed the woman with an already unstable state of mind the media was quick to say "BEWARE OF ISLAM! LOOK!" and sensationalizing the story far more than it should have.

My point isn't that Islam and Christianity are different, my point is that the fact he was Islamic had nothing to do with the murder, and it is dishonest to lump all Islamic people in the same boat as the murderer, because the murderer is a lunatic.

[Archeuland and Baughistan]

My point isn't that Islam and Christianity are different, my point is that the fact he was Islamic had nothing to do with the murder, and it is dishonest to lump all Islamic people in the same boat as the murderer, because the murderer is a lunatic.

The fact that he was Islamic gives credence to investigate whether or not he was radical or not. An FBI investigation into his Facebook page showed that he had photos of bin Laden, a beheading video, and Islamic quotes and propaganda. This meant that he took the Quran literally. People call that irrelevant because they say Islam is peaceful except for a few (only 10% or so) of its adherents are radical. I checked and saw that what he was doing was technically in accordance with teachings from the Quran and Hadith. You attacked Christianity and it seemed like you were calling it worse than Islam, so I factchecked that and provided you with sources, case closed. He is a radical Muslim (as proven by his Facebook profile) and his unceasing attempts to convert people to Islam in his workplace (which the FBI said he did).

[Soldati Senza Confini]

My point isn't that Islam and Christianity are different, my point is that the fact he was Islamic had nothing to do with the murder, and it is dishonest to lump all Islamic people in the same boat as the murderer, because the murderer is a lunatic.

The fact that he was Islamic gives credence to investigate whether or not he was radical or not. An FBI investigation into his Facebook page showed that he had photos of bin Laden, a beheading video, and Islamic quotes and propaganda. This meant that he took the Quran literally. People call that irrelevant because they say Islam is peaceful except for a few (only 10% or so) of its adherents are radical. I checked and saw that what he was doing was technically in accordance with teachings from the Quran and Hadith. You attacked Christianity and it seemed like you were calling it worse than Islam, so I factchecked that and provided you with sources, case closed. He is a radical Muslim (as proven by his Facebook profile) and his unceasing attempts to convert people to Islam in his workplace (which the FBI said he did).

-sigh-

I'm not saying Christianity is worse than Islam but if we want to compare religions it's right fucking there in your book and throughout history. The Crusades, the Reconquista, the Colonization of the Americas, it's all fucking there if we look at a historical analysis. What I am saying is that an Islamic person losing his shit is no different than a Christian person losing his or her shit and then claiming they have a God-given right to destroy infidels.

What you don't get is that religion can be twisted for anything and everything under the sun, even the bible by crazy people. And they investigated his Facebook page, so? Crazy people can also access the internet, shocking news; and the sky is blue as well, shocker isn't it?

If you're going to enter this conversation with dishonest tactics and saying Muslims have, by obligation, kill infidels, you're not doing a good job at representing your case.

[Ifreann]

My point isn't that Islam and Christianity are different, my point is that the fact he was Islamic had nothing to do with the murder, and it is dishonest to lump all Islamic people in the same boat as the murderer, because the murderer is a lunatic.

The fact that he was Islamic gives credence to investigate whether or not he was radical or not. An FBI investigation into his Facebook page showed that he had photos of bin Laden, a beheading video, and Islamic quotes and propaganda. This meant that he took the Quran literally. People call that irrelevant because they say Islam is peaceful except for a few (only 10% or so) of its adherents are radical.

What people? I'm right here saying that his religion is irrelevant because this attack has a far more plausible motivation.

[Insaeldor]

Just face it, muslims are responsible for most of the world's violence. It is not, nor has it ever been, a "religion of peace". From the forced conversion of North Africans in the Middle Ages, to Iran, to 9/11, and finally, this. They have no respect for basic human rights as shown in every muslim controlled country. Some such as Indonesia even force non-muslims to be tried according to their excessively harsh sharia law. They have also protested for violence against anyone that denies that they're peaceful.

So we should let the actions or the 1% of the 1% base our views on a religion of over a billion people? Islam isn't a perfect religion as no religion is perfect but growing up where I have I can say from experience that I've never met a Muslim who though it is justified to use violence for the advancement of their religion. We could also talk about how the Old Testament supports the capture and rape of women in war time and such but that's besides the point. We see in both Christianity and Islam the 1% of the 1% feel the need to use violence to advance there religion. The FBI also hasn't figured out if this was an attack based around his faith or a case him going ape shit over getting fired.

[Twilight Imperium]

Just face it, Christians are responsible for most of the world's violence. It is not, nor has it ever been, a "religion of peace". From the forced conversion of Europeans in the Middle Ages, to Iran, to the Trail of Tears, and finally, this. They have no respect for basic human rights as shown in every Christian controlled country. Some such as the United States of America even force non-christians to be judged according to their excessively harsh Biblical law. They have also protested for violence against anyone that denies that they're peaceful.

[Castille de Italia]

Everybody that's trying to say that the man's religion played no factor in this is quite wrong. This guy was obviously an Islamic extremist, given that he did the exact same style of execution that ISIS does. Just because he was a recent convert to Islam doesn't mean that this wasn't religiously motivated. It's fairly obvious that while even he may have never had prior contact to ISIS, he was still trying to instill fear in the American people by beheading another person.

You don't have to be a full member of an extremist organization to be an extremist.

[Anglo-California]

This guy is a weirdo.

[Rhodisia]

Simply barbaric and wasteful. Surely he does not understand that this does not further his cause.

[Haktiva]

So must a woman behead a Muslim man if he won't convert to Christianity? That's equality right?

In all seriousness, I'm not surprised. It's just extremism come to the streets of America. We're an empire that's reached the end of it's life, so it's only fitting that the barbarians are at the gates.