NSG Senate Chamber [NSG Senate] - Version 4

[Lamaredia]

Also the immigration act was 24-25. I have double counted, both times it came back as this.

I must have misput a number... A well, it would've failed anyway. I'll edit the post to have the proper number.

[The Nihilistic view]

Also I have not made a rule about votes not counting if it's not specified what the change is from. 99% of the time people do so I don't think it's much trouble to look up the occasional one.

Of course people don't take this as a sign not to put what your changing it from cos obviously if that happens I will have to say they won't count.

[Calimera II]

OFFICIAL FINAL VOTE COUNT

Bill for the Establishment of Armed Forces Academies and Officer Training Programs (BEAFAOTP) PASSED
AYE: 25 = 56.8%
NAY: 19 = 43.2%
ABSTAIN:4

Aurentine Immigration Act (AIA) FAILED
AYE: 23 = 47.9%
NAY: 25 = 52.1%
ABSTAIN:

Aurentine International Aid Act (AIDA) PASSED
AYE: 28 = 65.1%
NAY: 15 = 34.9%
ABSTAIN: 5

Embassy Act (EA) PASSED
AYE: 33 = 76.7%
NAY: 10 = 23.3%
ABSTAIN: 5

Aurentine Continuity of Operations and Reconstitution Directive Establishment Act (ACORDEA) FAILED
AYE: 17 = 42.5%
NAY: 23 = 57.5%
ABSTAIN: 8

La Francophonie Membership Act (LFMA) PASSED
AYE: 14 = 36.8%
NAY: 24 = 63.2%
ABSTAIN: 9

Haelunor's change was not counted, because he did not specify what his previous vote was.

I think you meant to list the Francophoney act as FAILED?

I wonder why you changed the number of people in favor of the immigration act?

[Kamchastkia]

I think you meant to list the Francophoney act as FAILED?

I wonder why you changed the number of people in favor of the immigration act?

It was changed after he quoted it.

[The Nihilistic view]

My secretary made a mistake that I asked him to correct. It has nothing to do with RD.

[Britanno]

Is the link to the Youth Politics sending anyone else to P.134 randomly?

[Lamaredia]

Is the link to the Youth Politics sending anyone else to P.134 randomly?

Must be some bug in the link. I'll fix it.

[Lamaredia]

Is the link to the Youth Politics sending anyone else to P.134 randomly?

Must be some bug in the link. I'll fix it.

Fixed it.

[People Who Say Ni]

I'd like to add this to the queue:

Essential Service Strike Restriction Act
Author: People Who Say Ni [NDP] | Urgency: Moderate | Category: Business and Finance | Sponsors: Blahbania [LP], The Nihilistic view [NLP], Regnum Dominae [ALM], Nevanmaa [RefP], Ainin [NDP]

The senate of Aurentina,

UNDERSTANDING that all of the Aurentinan labour force, depending on their work agreement, has the right to take industrial action in the form of a strike;
BELIEVING that services which the suspension of would cause significant harm to public health and/or welfare should have their right to strike mildly restricted in the public's common interest;

hereby enacts the following legislation:

(Section 1) Definitions:
Unless a conspicuous, contrary intention occurs within this bill, for the purposes of this bill,
(1.10) "strike" means:

a) a work stoppage caused by a mass refusal of employees to work or labour; or,
b) to participate in the aforementioned work stoppage.

(Section 2) Regulations:
(2.10) People working in the following industries must notify their organisation no less than two hundred hours prior to the commencement of the strike:

a) telephone services,
b) prison services,
c) air traffic control,
d) water supply services,
e) electricity services,
f) emergency service phone operating,
g) the hospital sector; and,
h) the fire-fighting sector.

(2.20) As soon as they are notified of a strike in the hospital sector, the hospital administration or the equivalent of the hospital administration of all effected hospitals must make provisions to ensure:

a) the safety of all hospital patients will not be threatened; and,
b) if the hospital has an emergency or ambulance sector, the sector will be operational during the strike.

(2.30) People working in the fire-fighting sector and medical emergency departments, including ambulance operators, are prohibited from initiating and participating in a strike during a national state of emergency.

(2.40) Police officers, prison officers and members of the armed forces are prohibited from initiating and participating in a strike.


(Section 3) Commencement:
(3.10) This bill will come into effect immediately after the passing of the bill.
(3.20) This bill is to be officially cited as the "Essential Service Strike Restriction Act", the "Essential Service Strike Restriction Act (2014)" or the "ESSRA".

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[box][align=center][size=200]Essential Service Strike Restriction Act[/size]
[size=85]Author: [nation]People Who Say Ni[/nation] [NDP] | Urgency: Moderate | Category: Business and Finance | Sponsors: [nation]Blahbania[/nation] [LP], [nation]The Nihilistic view[/nation] [NLP], [nation]Regnum Dominae[/nation] [ALM], [nation]Nevanmaa[/nation] [RefP], [nation]Ainin[/nation] [NDP][/size][/align]

[i]The senate of Aurentina,[/i]
   
   [b]UNDERSTANDING[/b] that all of the Aurentinan labour force, depending on their work agreement, has the right to take industrial action in the form of a strike;
   [b]BELIEVING[/b] that services which the suspension of would cause significant harm to public health and/or welfare should have their right to strike mildly restricted in the public's common interest;
   
   [i]hereby enacts the following legislation:[/i]
   
[b](Section 1) [u]Definitions:[/u][/b]
   Unless a conspicuous, contrary intention occurs within this bill, for the purposes of this bill,
(1.10) "strike" means:
[blocktext]a) a work stoppage caused by a mass refusal of employees to work or labour; or,
b) to participate in the aforementioned work stoppage.[/blocktext]
            
[b](Section 2) [u]Regulations:[/u][/b]
(2.10) People working in the following industries must notify their organisation no less than two hundred hours prior to the commencement of the strike:
[blocktext]a) telephone services,
b) prison services,
c) air traffic control,
d) water supply services,
e) electricity services,
f) emergency service phone operating,
g) the hospital sector; and,
h) the fire-fighting sector.[/blocktext]
(2.20) As soon as they are notified of a strike in the hospital sector, the hospital administration or the equivalent of the hospital administration of all effected hospitals must make provisions to ensure:
[blocktext]a) the safety of all hospital patients will not be threatened; and,
b) if the hospital has an emergency or ambulance sector, the sector will be operational during the strike.[/blocktext]
(2.30) People working in the fire-fighting sector and medical emergency departments, including ambulance operators, are prohibited from initiating and participating in a strike during a national state of emergency.

(2.40) Police officers, prison officers and members of the armed forces are prohibited from initiating and participating in a strike.
   

[b](Section 3) [u]Commencement:[/u][/b]
(3.10) This bill will come into effect immediately after the passing of the bill.
(3.11) This bill is to be officially cited as the "Essential Service Strike Restriction Act", the "Essential Service Strike Restriction Act (2014)" or the "ESSRA".[/box]

[President Pro-Tempore of the Senate]

I'd like to add this to the queue:

Essential Service Strike Restriction Act
Author: People Who Say Ni [NDP] | Urgency: Moderate | Category: Business and Finance | Sponsors: Blahbania [LP], The Nihilistic view [NLP], Regnum Dominae [ALM], Nevanmaa [RefP], Ainin [NDP]

The senate of Aurentina,

UNDERSTANDING that all of the Aurentinan labour force, depending on their work agreement, has the right to take industrial action in the form of a strike;
BELIEVING that services which the suspension of would cause significant harm to public health and/or welfare should have their right to strike mildly restricted in the public's common interest;

hereby enacts the following legislation:

(Section 1) Definitions:
Unless a conspicuous, contrary intention occurs within this bill, for the purposes of this bill,
(1.10) "strike" means:

a) a work stoppage caused by a mass refusal of employees to work or labour; or,
b) to participate in the aforementioned work stoppage.

(Section 2) Regulations:
(2.10) People working in the following industries must notify their organisation no less than two hundred hours prior to the commencement of the strike:

a) telephone services,
b) prison services,
c) air traffic control,
d) water supply services,
e) electricity services,
f) emergency service phone operating,
g) the hospital sector; and,
h) the fire-fighting sector.

(2.20) As soon as they are notified of a strike in the hospital sector, the hospital administration or the equivalent of the hospital administration of all effected hospitals must make provisions to ensure:

a) the safety of all hospital patients will not be threatened; and,
b) if the hospital has an emergency or ambulance sector, the sector will be operational during the strike.

(2.30) People working in the fire-fighting sector and medical emergency departments, including ambulance operators, are prohibited from initiating and participating in a strike during a national state of emergency.

(2.40) Police officers, prison officers and members of the armed forces are prohibited from initiating and participating in a strike.


(Section 3) Commencement:
(3.10) This bill will come into effect immediately after the passing of the bill.
(3.20) This bill is to be officially cited as the "Essential Service Strike Restriction Act", the "Essential Service Strike Restriction Act (2014)" or the "ESSRA".

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[box][align=center][size=200]Essential Service Strike Restriction Act[/size]
[size=85]Author: [nation]People Who Say Ni[/nation] [NDP] | Urgency: Moderate | Category: Business and Finance | Sponsors: [nation]Blahbania[/nation] [LP], [nation]The Nihilistic view[/nation] [NLP], [nation]Regnum Dominae[/nation] [ALM], [nation]Nevanmaa[/nation] [RefP], [nation]Ainin[/nation] [NDP][/size][/align]

[i]The senate of Aurentina,[/i]
   
   [b]UNDERSTANDING[/b] that all of the Aurentinan labour force, depending on their work agreement, has the right to take industrial action in the form of a strike;
   [b]BELIEVING[/b] that services which the suspension of would cause significant harm to public health and/or welfare should have their right to strike mildly restricted in the public's common interest;
   
   [i]hereby enacts the following legislation:[/i]
   
[b](Section 1) [u]Definitions:[/u][/b]
   Unless a conspicuous, contrary intention occurs within this bill, for the purposes of this bill,
(1.10) "strike" means:
[blocktext]a) a work stoppage caused by a mass refusal of employees to work or labour; or,
b) to participate in the aforementioned work stoppage.[/blocktext]
            
[b](Section 2) [u]Regulations:[/u][/b]
(2.10) People working in the following industries must notify their organisation no less than two hundred hours prior to the commencement of the strike:
[blocktext]a) telephone services,
b) prison services,
c) air traffic control,
d) water supply services,
e) electricity services,
f) emergency service phone operating,
g) the hospital sector; and,
h) the fire-fighting sector.[/blocktext]
(2.20) As soon as they are notified of a strike in the hospital sector, the hospital administration or the equivalent of the hospital administration of all effected hospitals must make provisions to ensure:
[blocktext]a) the safety of all hospital patients will not be threatened; and,
b) if the hospital has an emergency or ambulance sector, the sector will be operational during the strike.[/blocktext]
(2.30) People working in the fire-fighting sector and medical emergency departments, including ambulance operators, are prohibited from initiating and participating in a strike during a national state of emergency.

(2.40) Police officers, prison officers and members of the armed forces are prohibited from initiating and participating in a strike.
   

[b](Section 3) [u]Commencement:[/u][/b]
(3.10) This bill will come into effect immediately after the passing of the bill.
(3.20) This bill is to be officially cited as the "Essential Service Strike Restriction Act", the "Essential Service Strike Restriction Act (2014)" or the "ESSRA".[/box]

Added. ~ Secretary

Can everybody who has submitted bills in the last week or two check to see if your bill is in the queue? If they aren't please message my Lamaredia account and I'll add them as soon as I can. I can't look through the thread at present time.

[Nevanmaa]

I'd like to add this to the queue.

Genocide Recognition Act
Author: Nevanmaa (RP); Sponsors: Ainin, Beta Test, Bleckonia, Britanno, Corenea, East Ormania, Geilinor, Maryginia, New Bierstaat, Potenco, Soviet Canuckistan, The Union of the West, Uiiop, Unicario; Category: International Relations; Urgency: Medium

— Calling upon the Aurentine Senate to ensure that the official Aurentine policy of condemning human right violations is maintained.

Section I - Definitions

— Genocide shall be defined as the deliberate killing of people who belong to a particular religious, national, racial, political, or cultural group.
— Holodomor shall be defined a man-made famine that took place between 1932 and 1933 in the Ukrainian Socialist Soviet Republic.
— Armenian genocide shall be defined as a genocide of Armenians that took place in the Ottoman Empire, predecessor state of the Republic of Turkey, between 1915 and 1916.
— Bangladeshi genocide shall be defined as a genocide of Bengalis that took place in East Pakistan (Bangladesh) in 1971, mostly by militias controlled by West Pakistan (Pakistan).
— Holocaust shall be defined as a genocide of Jews, Gypsies, Poles and other Slavs, sexual minorities, the physically and mentally handicapped, and political and relgiious opponents of the National Socialist regime that took place in Germany and German-occupied territories between 1939 and 1945,

Section II - Provisions

— Aurentina shall officially recognize the Holodomor as an act of genocide ordered by Josef Stalin and organized by the Soviet government, in which around 3-6 million innocent Ukrainians were murdered with a deliberate man-made famine; the Armenian Genocide as an act of genocide conducted by Ottoman authorities, in which 1.5 million innocent Armenians living in the Ottoman Empire were murdered, mainly in death marches; the Bangladeshi Genocide was an act of genocide ordered by the East Pakistani authorities and conducted by muslim militias in which 3 million people were killed by militias in countless acts of mass murder and genodical rape; and the Holocaust as an act of genocide conducted by the German Reich led by the National Socialist Germans Workers' Party in which 10-11 million civilians were murdered in extermination camps and various mass killings.
— Requiring all school books used in public and private schools state that the aforementioned acts were acts of genocide, though allowing and encouraging the books to also state that genocide denial does exist.
— Encouraging authorities of municipalities to promote education about aforementioned genocides, and if possible and so desired by the populace of the aforementioned municipalities, establish a plaques, museums or other memorial to pay respect to the people killed in the aforementioned genocides.
— Aurentine Senate shall also condemn, but not deny or criminalize, denial of genocide

[/quote]

[Maklohi Vai]

Hippo, could we refer to the Roma people by their proper name, and not as Gypsies? I understand it's more common to use the slang term, but we should be formal with it.

[The Nihilistic view]

Um MV, Gypsy is not a slang term. It's in the English dictionary. There is an urban term with a slightly diffrent meaning but in this term he clearly means the following.

noun (plural gypsies)
1 (usually Gypsy) a member of a travelling people with dark skin and hair, traditionally living by itinerant trade and fortune telling. Gypsies speak a language (Romany) that is related to Hindi and are believed to have originated in South Asia.


Also why you break the code.

[Oneracon]

Um MV, Gypsy is not a slang term. It's in the English dictionary. There is an urban term with a slightly diffrent meaning but in this term he clearly means the following.

noun (plural gypsies)
1 (usually Gypsy) a member of a travelling people with dark skin and hair, traditionally living by itinerant trade and fortune telling. Gypsies speak a language (Romany) that is related to Hindi and are believed to have originated in South Asia.


Also why you break the code.

I would second this, gypsy is now used not just to refer to the Romani but also other itinerant/nomadic groups in Europe.

The Holocaust not only persecuted the Romani but also the Sinti (a unique subset of the Romani ethnic group whose language/culture exhibited strong Germanic influence) and Jenische peoples (an entirely different nomadic ethnic group found in France and Germanic Europe).

I do agree, however, that perhaps the wording can be changed to "nomadic/itinerant ethnic groups" to clarify the wider meaning.

[Maklohi Vai]

Um MV, Gypsy is not a slang term. It's in the English dictionary. There is an urban term with a slightly diffrent meaning but in this term he clearly means the following.

noun (plural gypsies)
1 (usually Gypsy) a member of a travelling people with dark skin and hair, traditionally living by itinerant trade and fortune telling. Gypsies speak a language (Romany) that is related to Hindi and are believed to have originated in South Asia.


Also why you break the code.

Oh, I know it's in the dictionary, thank you, but that doesn't mean it's not a slang term. Look at what else is in Oxford Dictionaries Online.

And even if that's not enough (and I understand it might be), consider that some of the Roma people do take offense to the term being used to describe them. Here's what Wiki has to say about English usage (if you need sources, they've got them linked:

In the English language (according to OED), Rom is a noun (with the plural Romá or Roms) and an adjective, while Romani (Romany) is also a noun (with the plural Romanies or Romanis) and an adjective. Both Rom and Romani have been in use in English since the 19th century as an alternative for Gypsy. Romani was initially spelled Rommany, then Romany, while today the Romani spelling is the most popular spelling.
Sometimes, rom and romani are spelled with a double r, i.e., rrom and rromani, particularly in Romania in order to distinguish from the Romanian endonym (români). This is well established in Romani itself, since it represents a phoneme (/ʀ/ also written as ř and rh) which in some Romani dialects has remained different from the one written with a single r.[2]
Roma is a term primarily used in political contexts to refer to the Romani people as a whole.[3][4] Still, some subgroups of Romani do not self-identify as Roma, therefore some scholars avoid using the term Roma as not all Romani subgroups accept the term.[5]
Because all Romanies use the word Romani as an adjective, the term began to be used as a noun for the entire ethnic group.[6]
Today, the term Romani is used by most organizations—including the United Nations, the Council of Europe, and the US Library of Congress.[2] However, some organizations use the term Romá to refer to Romani people around the world.[1][7]

...

'Gipsy/gipsy' is a common word used to indicate Romani people, Tinkers and Travellers, and use of the word "Gipsy" in English is so pervasive (and is a legal term under English law—see below) that many Romani organizations use it in their own organizational names. However, many Romani people and academics who study them believe the word has been tainted by its use as a pejorative connoting illegality and irregularity,[21][22][23][24][25][26][27] and some modern dictionaries recommend avoiding use of the word gypsy either entirely, or as a negative modifier.[28][29][30][31][32][33]

So I owe you an apology for my misdirection, first of all, as we should be using Romani, not Roma.

EDIT: Oneracon's suggestion might work better, actually. It would be good to recognize the Jenische.

[The Sarian]

Um MV, Gypsy is not a slang term. It's in the English dictionary. There is an urban term with a slightly diffrent meaning but in this term he clearly means the following.

noun (plural gypsies)
1 (usually Gypsy) a member of a travelling people with dark skin and hair, traditionally living by itinerant trade and fortune telling. Gypsies speak a language (Romany) that is related to Hindi and are believed to have originated in South Asia.


Also why you break the code.

I would second this, gypsy is now used not just to refer to the Romani but also other itinerant/nomadic groups in Europe.

The Holocaust not only persecuted the Romani but also the Sinti (a unique subset of the Romani ethnic group whose language/culture exhibited strong Germanic influence) and Jenische peoples (an entirely different nomadic ethnic group found in France and Germanic Europe).

I do agree, however, that perhaps the wording can be changed to "nomadic/itinerant ethnic groups" to clarify the wider meaning.

I agree.

[Regnum Dominae]

What are the next eight bills up for debate?

[Oneracon]

What are the next eight bills up for debate?

I believe it is Law and Order Section A

Section A:
- Duty to Retreat Act
- Court Transparency Act
- Prevention of Youth Castration Act
- Crimes against Humanity Act
- On the Fair Admission of Justice
- Good Samaritan Law
- First Amendment to the National Intelligencery Establishment Act
- First Amendment to the Bestiality (Zoophilia) Act

[The Sarian]

What are the next eight bills up for debate?

I believe it is Law and Order Section A

Section A:
- Duty to Retreat Act
- Court Transparency Act
- Prevention of Youth Castration Act
- Crimes against Humanity Act
- On the Fair Admission of Justice
- Good Samaritan Law
- First Amendment to the National Intelligencery Establishment Act
- First Amendment to the Bestiality (Zoophilia) Act

When do these go up? (Sorry - I'm new here)

[Haelunor]

One of the admins or PPt or someone will have to designate when debate will end and voting will start. Normally Nihil does it, I believe.

[The Nihilistic view]

OC Sorry, been busy blowing things up with my alter ego in another thread.




Debate will officially begin at 8pm. on Section one of Order.

[Kamchastkia]

The wording of the Good Samaritan act allows a person to be prosecuted by the CPS on the basis of reasonable doubt that the death had been purposeful. The protection of the act should only be waived if there is evidence, putting a person through a trial based on one officer of the court's doubts is unacceptable.

[Ainin]

What's the difference between this bill and Section 3 of the Termination of Loopholes and Judicial System Improvement Act again?

[The Nihilistic view]

The wording of the Good Samaritan act allows a person to be prosecuted by the CPS on the basis of reasonable doubt that the death had been purposeful. The protection of the act should only be waived if there is evidence, putting a person through a trial based on one officer of the court's doubts is unacceptable.

I have to agree. The protection should only be waved if the prosecution can prove beyond reasonable doubt that the outcome was intended.

[Nevanmaa]

Hippo, could we refer to the Roma people by their proper name, and not as Gypsies? I understand it's more common to use the slang term, but we should be formal with it.

No, because fuck political correctness. Vote against it if you don't like it.