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Postby HumanSanity » Thu Dec 12, 2013 5:59 pm

Britanno wrote:This time James did not have a fellow government senator to get wishes of good luck from, he did not have any hope for applause from party members, he only expected criticism and hostility. It was humiliating for James to have to announce this, having just recently made a short speech with his support for the government.
But things had changed, and it had not taken long. Over a short period of time, the actions taken by those around him were no longer bearable. The attitudes towards his views had gone too far. This was what James needed to do, if not face regret for the rest of his political career. So he rose to his feet, knowing that the words he was soon to speak would cause friendships to shatter and dreams to fall away.

"Senators of Aurentina, only a very short time ago I made a speech. A speech that challenged the Leader of the Opposition's words, a speech that said the government was doing a better job than the opposition, a speech that attacked the previous government. However, there was one thing it did not do. While I stated that the government deserved power more than the opposition, something I still believe, I never actually said that the government was doing a good job. I even said my expectations for it were not high, and they still aren't. The cabinet is not full of many senators who often author legislation, and anyone who hopes that this will be a very successful government will without a doubt be left disappointed when it leaves office.

Now until now I have decided to just get on with it, I would do my job, and others would face the consequences if they didn't. But now something has changed, something that has caused me to make a big decision. When the National Freedom Coalition began to talk about a budget, I became worried. I mean in offence to many in the coalition, but I view your economic beliefs in a way that I do not seek to state here for fear of a point of order being raised. I did not, however, expect my biggest enemy in budget negotiations to be someone from my own party, and definitely not someone who shares very similar economic views.

Now in my previous speech, I talked about the opposition not caring about children, but maybe I need to take a look at the government's stance on them. While my education bills received opposition from the libertarians, who obviously did so as it clashed with their ideology, the majority of the government supported my proposed legislation. I was wrong to think that this meant they cared for the young of our nation. In the last twenty four hours, in budget negotiations, time and time again my arguments and questions were avoided by the Treasurer and Minister of the Exchequer. I constantly put forward reasons for the education budget to be boosted by a further three billion pounds from their proposed fifty seven, but they dodged by statements and ignored my inquiries. The Ministry of Education will become underfunded under this government, just like the last. It's a disgrace that education is just viewed as an expensive waste of money that would be better of saving for an emergency fund. Education is what provides this nation with a future, and I can't help feel that under either major coalition our education system, and therefore our future, is in safe hands.

That is why I announce my resignation from the sixth government of the Commonwealth of Aurentina, and from the National Freedom Coalition. This also means I will be resigning from my current political party, I wish it the best of luck. No party represents me anymore, nor any coalition. I will continue my efforts in improving life for young people, something I believe that few others in the senate are enthusiastic about."



OOC: I tried my best Ainin, did I avoid any rule violations?

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Postby The Nihilistic view » Thu Dec 12, 2013 6:04 pm

Senator Callaghan have you done as asked?

You need to submit a version of your bill without the clause stated.
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Postby HumanSanity » Thu Dec 12, 2013 6:25 pm

Motions Reform Act
Author: HumanSanity | Sponsors: New Zephua (Ind.), Fulflood (NDP), Kamchastika (SAP) | SIMBEDS Category: Senate Procedure

Preamble
Recognizing that various rules regarding motions in the Senate chamber have been instated throughout time and that, because of this, they are often inconsistent and difficult to find and apply.

On Motions
1. Any Senator may place a motion before the Senate. Any Senator may second a motion before the Senate.
1a. The necessary seconds for the enactment of a motion must be obtained within 24 hours of the motion originally being placed before the Senate. If more than 24 hours pass the motion will be considered closed.
1b. Any Senator who makes or seconds a motion withdraw their motion or second at any time before the motion is enacted.
1c. No proxy motions may be used.
1d. Once the necessary seconds have been obtained a motion will have passed and no counter-motion may be raised against it.

On Approval
2. Where approval by an official is necessary the approval of the President of Aurentina, the Vice President of Aurentina, the Prime Minister, the Deputy Prime Minister, or the President pro Tempore of the Senate will be sufficient.
2a. If the necessary seconds have been obtained on a motion but not approval no counter motions may be lodged.
2b. If approval is not secured within 24 hours of the original motion being made then the motion will be closed.

Reforming Motions
3. The following motions may now be made and enacted with the specified number of seconds. Any motions in Aurentine law that are addressed here are superseded. Any motions in Aurentine law that are not addressed here still stand.
3a. A motion made by a bill's author to withdraw it from the queue is enacted when seconded. This motion cannot have a counter-motion raised against it.
3b. A motion to move debate to a different SIMBEDS Category may be made and is enacted when tenthed and after having been approved.
3c. A motion to change a bill's Omnibus category will be enacted when tenthed and approved.
3d. A motion to extend debate will be enacted when tenthed and approved. Debate may not be extended by more than 24 hours.
3e. A motion to extend voting will be enacted when tenthed and approved. Voting may not be extended by more than 48 hours.
3f. A motion to end debate early may only be enacted when twelfthed and approved. Ending debate early may only occur after one half of the debate time has already elapsed.
3g. A motion to end voting early may only be enacted after 24 hours of voting have already passed and if 90%+ of the votes are currently in favor of all bills up for vote. A motion to end voting early will be enacted when tenthed and approved.
3h. A motion to count quorum on a measure will necessitate one fourth of all Senators to vote on a measure and will be enacted when fifteenthed and approved by at least two of the five listed officials.
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Postby Bleckonia » Thu Dec 12, 2013 6:36 pm

HumanSanity wrote:
Motions Reform Act
Author: HumanSanity | Sponsors: New Zephua (Ind.), Fulflood (NDP), Kamchastika (SAP) | SIMBEDS Category: Senate Procedure

Preamble
Recognizing that various rules regarding motions in the Senate chamber have been instated throughout time and that, because of this, they are often inconsistent and difficult to find and apply.

On Motions
1. Any Senator may place a motion before the Senate. Any Senator may second a motion before the Senate.
1a. The necessary seconds for the enactment of a motion must be obtained within 24 hours of the motion originally being placed before the Senate. If more than 24 hours pass since the motion was first placed, the motion will be considered closed.
1b. Any Senator who makes or seconds a motion withdraw their [his or her] motion or second at any time before the motion is enacted.
1c. No proxy motions may be used.
1d. Once the necessary seconds have been obtained a motion will have passed and no counter-motion may be raised against it.

On Approval
2. Where approval by an official is necessary the approval of the President of Aurentina, the Vice President of Aurentina, the Prime Minister, the Deputy Prime Minister, or the President pro Tempore of the Senate will be sufficient.
2a. If the necessary seconds have been obtained on a motion but not approval [the motion is pending approval by an official listed in paragraph 2] no counter motions may be lodged.
2b. If approval is not secured within 24 hours of the original motion being made then the motion will be closed.

Reforming Motions
3. The following motions [motions listed in paragraph 3a to 3h] may now be made and enacted with the specified number of seconds. Any motions in Aurentine law that are addressed here are superseded [by law]. Any motions in Aurentine law that are not addressed here still stand.
3a. A motion made by a bill's author to withdraw it from the queue is enacted when seconded. This motion cannot have a counter-motion raised against it.
3b. A motion to move debate to a different SIMBEDS Category may be made and is enacted when tenthed and after having been approved.
3c. A motion to change a bill's Omnibus category will be enacted when tenthed and approved.
3d. A motion to extend debate will be enacted when tenthed and approved. Debate may not be extended by more than 24 hours.
3e. A motion to extend voting will be enacted when tenthed and approved. Voting may not be extended by more than 48 hours.
3f. A motion to end debate early may only be enacted when twelfthed and approved. Ending debate early may only occur after one half of the debate time has already elapsed.
3g. A motion to end voting early may only be enacted after 24 hours of voting have already passed and if 90%+ of the votes are currently in favor of all bills up for vote. A motion to end voting early will be enacted when tenthed and approved.
3h. A motion to count quorum on a measure will necessitate one fourth of all Senators to vote on a measure and will be enacted when fifteenthed and approved by at least two of the five listed officials [officials listed in paragraph 2].


I would take out the part about motioning to end voting in 24 hours and to make it clear that debate and voting may not be extended by 24 and 48 hours TOTAL (not for each motion), respectively. Also, some of the language is ambiguous (highlighted in orange). Recommended additions and modifications are in green. Recommended removals are in red.
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Postby Ainin » Thu Dec 12, 2013 6:38 pm

Bleckonia wrote:
HumanSanity wrote:
Motions Reform Act
Author: HumanSanity | Sponsors: New Zephua (Ind.), Fulflood (NDP), Kamchastika (SAP) | SIMBEDS Category: Senate Procedure

Preamble
Recognizing that various rules regarding motions in the Senate chamber have been instated throughout time and that, because of this, they are often inconsistent and difficult to find and apply.

On Motions
1. Any Senator may place a motion before the Senate. Any Senator may second a motion before the Senate.
1a. The necessary seconds for the enactment of a motion must be obtained within 24 hours of the motion originally being placed before the Senate. If more than 24 hours pass since the motion was first placed, the motion will be considered closed.
1b. Any Senator who makes or seconds a motion withdraw their [his or her] motion or second at any time before the motion is enacted.
1c. No proxy motions may be used.
1d. Once the necessary seconds have been obtained a motion will have passed and no counter-motion may be raised against it.

On Approval
2. Where approval by an official is necessary the approval of the President of Aurentina, the Vice President of Aurentina, the Prime Minister, the Deputy Prime Minister, or the President pro Tempore of the Senate will be sufficient.
2a. If the necessary seconds have been obtained on a motion but not approval [the motion is pending approval by an official listed in paragraph 2] no counter motions may be lodged.
2b. If approval is not secured within 24 hours of the original motion being made then the motion will be closed.

Reforming Motions
3. The following motions [motions listed in paragraph 3a to 3h] may now be made and enacted with the specified number of seconds. Any motions in Aurentine law that are addressed here are superseded [by law]. Any motions in Aurentine law that are not addressed here still stand.
3a. A motion made by a bill's author to withdraw it from the queue is enacted when seconded. This motion cannot have a counter-motion raised against it.
3b. A motion to move debate to a different SIMBEDS Category may be made and is enacted when tenthed and after having been approved.
3c. A motion to change a bill's Omnibus category will be enacted when tenthed and approved.
3d. A motion to extend debate will be enacted when tenthed and approved. Debate may not be extended by more than 24 hours.
3e. A motion to extend voting will be enacted when tenthed and approved. Voting may not be extended by more than 48 hours.
3f. A motion to end debate early may only be enacted when twelfthed and approved. Ending debate early may only occur after one half of the debate time has already elapsed.
3g. A motion to end voting early may only be enacted after 24 hours of voting have already passed and if 90%+ of the votes are currently in favor of all bills up for vote. A motion to end voting early will be enacted when tenthed and approved.
3h. A motion to count quorum on a measure will necessitate one fourth of all Senators to vote on a measure and will be enacted when fifteenthed and approved by at least two of the five listed officials [officials listed in paragraph 2].


I would take out the part about motioning to end voting in 24 hours and to make it clear that debate and voting may not be extended by 24 and 48 hours TOTAL (not for each motion), respectively. Also, some of the language is ambiguous (highlighted in orange). Recommended additions and modifications are in green. Recommended removals are in red.

"Proxy" is already defined by the Proxy Voting Act.
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Postby Ainin » Thu Dec 12, 2013 6:39 pm

On another note, the Motions Reform Act directly contradicts the Proxy Voting Act.
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HumanSanity wrote:
Motions Reform Act
Author: HumanSanity | Sponsors: New Zephua (Ind.), Fulflood (NDP), Kamchastika (SAP) | SIMBEDS Category: Senate Procedure

Preamble
Recognizing that various rules regarding motions in the Senate chamber have been instated throughout time and that, because of this, they are often inconsistent and difficult to find and apply.

On Motions
1. Any Senator may place a motion before the Senate. Any Senator may second a motion before the Senate.
1a. The necessary seconds for the enactment of a motion must be obtained within 24 hours of the motion originally being placed before the Senate. If more than 24 hours pass the motion will be considered closed.
1b. Any Senator who makes or seconds a motion withdraw their motion or second at any time before the motion is enacted.
1c. No proxy motions may be used.
1d. Once the necessary seconds have been obtained a motion will have passed and no counter-motion may be raised against it.

On Approval
2. Where approval by an official is necessary the approval of the President of Aurentina, the Vice President of Aurentina, the Prime Minister, the Deputy Prime Minister, or the President pro Tempore of the Senate will be sufficient.
2a. If the necessary seconds have been obtained on a motion but not approval no counter motions may be lodged.
2b. If approval is not secured within 24 hours of the original motion being made then the motion will be closed.

Reforming Motions
3. The following motions may now be made and enacted with the specified number of seconds. Any motions in Aurentine law that are addressed here are superseded. Any motions in Aurentine law that are not addressed here still stand.
3a. A motion made by a bill's author to withdraw it from the queue is enacted when seconded. This motion cannot have a counter-motion raised against it.
3b. A motion to move debate to a different SIMBEDS Category may be made and is enacted when tenthed and after having been approved.
3c. A motion to change a bill's Omnibus category will be enacted when tenthed and approved.
3d. A motion to extend debate will be enacted when tenthed and approved. Debate may not be extended by more than 24 hours.
3e. A motion to extend voting will be enacted when tenthed and approved. Voting may not be extended by more than 48 hours.
3f. A motion to end debate early may only be enacted when twelfthed and approved. Ending debate early may only occur after one half of the debate time has already elapsed.
3g. A motion to end voting early may only be enacted after 24 hours of voting have already passed and if 90%+ of the votes are currently in favor of all bills up for vote. A motion to end voting early will be enacted when tenthed and approved.
3h. A motion to count quorum on a measure will necessitate one fourth of all Senators to vote on a measure and will be enacted when fifteenthed and approved by at least two of the five listed officials.


Thank you very much. Voting can now begin at 3am. I will post a link to all the bills at that time.
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Postby Bleckonia » Thu Dec 12, 2013 6:41 pm

Ainin wrote:
Bleckonia wrote:
I would take out the part about motioning to end voting in 24 hours and to make it clear that debate and voting may not be extended by 24 and 48 hours TOTAL (not for each motion), respectively. Also, some of the language is ambiguous (highlighted in orange). Recommended additions and modifications are in green. Recommended removals are in red.

"Proxy" is already defined by the Proxy Voting Act.


Each act has its own definitions. If the author intends to use the PVA definition, that should be clearly stated. However, I would recommend to Senator Callaghan to not mention the PVA in the act as a definition in the off-chance that the PVA is repealed. This would leave the definition meaningless.
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Current Officer: Senator Joseph Vehrstadt.

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Postby Ainin » Thu Dec 12, 2013 8:19 pm

AYE to all, except for the Motion Reform Act which is a NAY.
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Postby Ainin » Thu Dec 12, 2013 8:26 pm

Oh wait, I failed.

Change vote on APPA from aye to nay.
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Postby Libertechie » Thu Dec 12, 2013 8:26 pm

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Kamchastkia wrote:I motion we commend the actions taken by India's Supreme Court, again making the crime against god, homosexuality, illegal.

I oppose the motion and do not bring up God in politics

Although I support the senator's faith, it should remain personal, and not political in a theocratic way. Coercion is not the way one should display their faith.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Thu Dec 12, 2013 8:28 pm

Libertechie wrote:
Corenea wrote:I oppose the motion and do not bring up God in politics

Although I support the senator's faith, it should remain personal, and not political in a theocratic way. Coercion is not the way one should display their faith.


We are voting now senator, please withdraw that comment and place it to the lobby. It has nothing to do with any of the bill at vote.
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Postby Tsuken » Thu Dec 12, 2013 8:41 pm

AYE to all, exception the APPA, to which I vote NAY
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Postby Maklohi Vai » Thu Dec 12, 2013 8:46 pm

FASEA: Aye
TLJSIA: Aye
FAPEPA: Aye
APPA: Aye. The passage of this bill could put the Rhino Party in a Catch-22 if they act irrationally. They can choose to ask for political party status, but that would require its members to renounce either their Rhino membership or their membership to their original party, the latter of which I find unlikely. On the other hand, the Rhinos could choose to not ask for recognition as a political party, in which case they would remain exactly the same as they have been operating since their founding. Their members would not be required to switch parties or leave one, because the Rhinoceros Party would not be an official political party. It would be a shame to have the Rhinoceros Party apply for official membership, especially because the administration will not be accepting their application no matter what. Beyond the issue of the Rhino Party, however, the other clauses of this bill are well executed, as the second clause would prevent situations from happening that literally do not happen anywhere else as far as I know (OOC: It's basic RP realism. Basic.). While the third clause may seem harsh to some, I believe it is a necessary measure (OOC: to enforce realism).
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The link for the MRA is wrong, by the way, as the On Counter Motions section has been taken out. The correct link: viewtopic.php?p=17859371#p17859371
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Postby Geilinor » Thu Dec 12, 2013 8:49 pm

I vote Aye to all bills currently at vote.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Thu Dec 12, 2013 8:49 pm

Maklohi Vai wrote:FASEA: Aye
TLJSIA: Aye
FAPEPA: Aye
APPA: Aye. The passage of this bill could put the Rhino Party in a Catch-22 if they act irrationally. They can choose to ask for political party status, but that would require its members to renounce either their Rhino membership or their membership to their original party, the latter of which I find unlikely. On the other hand, the Rhinos could choose to not ask for recognition as a political party, in which case they would remain exactly the same as they have been operating since their founding. Their members would not be required to switch parties or leave one, because the Rhinoceros Party would not be an official political party. It would be a shame to have the Rhinoceros Party apply for official membership, especially because the administration will not be accepting their application no matter what. Beyond the issue of the Rhino Party, however, the other clauses of this bill are well executed, as the second clause would prevent situations from happening that literally do not happen anywhere else as far as I know (OOC: It's basic RP realism. Basic.). While the third clause may seem harsh to some, I believe it is a necessary measure (OOC: to enforce realism).
SRA: Aye
MRA: Aye
Fourth Amendment to SIMBEDS: Aye


The link for the MRA is wrong, by the way, as the On Counter Motions section has been taken out. The correct link: viewtopic.php?p=17859371#p17859371


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Postby Living Freedom Land » Thu Dec 12, 2013 8:55 pm

First Amendment to the Senate Ethics Act (2013): NAY
Termination of Loopholes and Judicial System Improvement Act: AYE
First Amendment to the Presidential Election Procedures Act: AYE
Aurentine Partisan Politics Act: NAY
Senator Residency Act: AYE
Motion Reform Act: NAY
Fourth Amendment to SIMBEDS: AYE
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Postby Costa Fierro » Thu Dec 12, 2013 8:55 pm

Aye on all bills.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Thu Dec 12, 2013 8:57 pm

Ainin wrote:On another note, the Motions Reform Act directly contradicts the Proxy Voting Act.


What the contradiction?
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Postby Dragomere » Thu Dec 12, 2013 9:01 pm

AYE on all but the APPA, which shall be a NAY
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Postby Costa Fierro » Thu Dec 12, 2013 9:09 pm

May I ask the PpT whether or not he has fixed the issues regarding the Local Government Act?
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Postby Malgrave » Thu Dec 12, 2013 9:10 pm

First Amendment to the Senate Ethics Act (2013): Aye
Termination of Loopholes and Judicial System Improvement Act: Aye
First Amendment to the Presidential Election Procedures Act: Aye
Aurentine Partisan Politics Act: Abstain
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Motion Reform Act: Abstain
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Ainin » Thu Dec 12, 2013 9:13 pm

Maklohi Vai wrote:FASEA: Aye
TLJSIA: Aye
FAPEPA: Aye
APPA: Aye. The passage of this bill could put the Rhino Party in a Catch-22 if they act irrationally. They can choose to ask for political party status, but that would require its members to renounce either their Rhino membership or their membership to their original party, the latter of which I find unlikely. On the other hand, the Rhinos could choose to not ask for recognition as a political party, in which case they would remain exactly the same as they have been operating since their founding. Their members would not be required to switch parties or leave one, because the Rhinoceros Party would not be an official political party. It would be a shame to have the Rhinoceros Party apply for official membership, especially because the administration will not be accepting their application no matter what. Beyond the issue of the Rhino Party, however, the other clauses of this bill are well executed, as the second clause would prevent situations from happening that literally do not happen anywhere else as far as I know (OOC: It's basic RP realism. Basic.). While the third clause may seem harsh to some, I believe it is a necessary measure (OOC: to enforce realism).
SRA: Aye
MRA: Aye
Fourth Amendment to SIMBEDS: Aye


The link for the MRA is wrong, by the way, as the On Counter Motions section has been taken out. The correct link: viewtopic.php?p=17859371#p17859371

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Maklohi Vai wrote:
Soviet Canuckistan wrote:Any update on the Rhinoceros Party getting official status?
New Bierstaat drafted a bill that would address the issue, so we'll see how it plays out ICly.
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If this bill fails, what possible IC reason would there be to deny us membership?
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