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by NERVUN » Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:30 pm
by Freelanderness » Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:38 pm
The Daktanese Technocracy wrote:Tothia wrote:Even if we do spread the word about males raping other males, I doubt much people would care. Even the FBI say that men can't be victims of rape. There are so many things I want to change in America.
Also, of females raping males. Which is considered impossible by mostjerkspeople.
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by Creative Vikings » Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:51 pm
by Freelanderness » Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:51 pm
. ♕ I am your LORD and saviour, for I am Jesus Christina Confess your sins, and ye shall be forgiven. ❤ .
One of Le Sexiest NSers 2013. Call me ₭¡††¥. Now a fascist because rape is bad, mmkay.
Meet the TET Pantheon"What I hope most of all is that you understand what I mean when I tell you that, even though I do not know you, and even though I may never meet you, laugh with you cry with you or kiss you, I love you." - Evey (V for Vendetta)
by Freelanderness » Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:53 pm
. ♕ I am your LORD and saviour, for I am Jesus Christina Confess your sins, and ye shall be forgiven. ❤ .
One of Le Sexiest NSers 2013. Call me ₭¡††¥. Now a fascist because rape is bad, mmkay.
Meet the TET Pantheon"What I hope most of all is that you understand what I mean when I tell you that, even though I do not know you, and even though I may never meet you, laugh with you cry with you or kiss you, I love you." - Evey (V for Vendetta)
by Yaltabaoth » Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:32 am
by Person012345 » Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:24 am
Tothia wrote:Even if we do spread the word about males raping other males, I doubt much people would care. Even the FBI say that men can't be victims of rape. There are so many things I want to change in America.
by Person012345 » Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:28 am
Nahgallay wrote:Person012345 wrote:Yes, you do. Every time you use phrasing like you did, it creates an atmosphere that it only happens to women. People who don't realise that male-rape is a problem, or generally shrug it off, don't have that assumption challenged. Think about what you're saying, and when talking about rape, do not speak as if it's just a female problem because it isn't.
I didn't say it was only a female problem. In my first post I spoke about educating children specifically boys not to rape girls or boys. I know male-rape is an issue, that's why I addressed it. But it is very rare that women rape, especially compared to male rapists.
by Dyakovo » Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:59 am
The Daktanese Technocracy wrote:Person012345 wrote:Wellllll, the way I see it when someone violates certain right of another human being they lose those rights themselves.
I view all sorts of life-destroying things as a justified punishment for rape and the like, I just don't advocate it because there is too high a chance of false convictions (that is to say, a higher than 0 chance). But ethically, I would really have no qualms with doing all sorts of horrible things to a rapist.
Then I see no reason why you are not a bigger monster than the rapist.
I know you've stolen something at some point in your life. Perhaps as a child you stole some candy or somesuch from a sibling. Does this mean you have no right to posses anything anymore? Should you die for that? No? Then why does rape, as horrible as it is, justify these things?
And even with that aside, those types of punishments lead to worse crimes. What does the rapist have to lose if he kills his victim? Nothing. And I'll not point out the chance of false conviction, as you already have shown you understand.
by The Daktanese Technocracy » Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:48 am
Dyakovo wrote:The Daktanese Technocracy wrote:Then I see no reason why you are not a bigger monster than the rapist.
I know you've stolen something at some point in your life. Perhaps as a child you stole some candy or somesuch from a sibling. Does this mean you have no right to posses anything anymore? Should you die for that? No? Then why does rape, as horrible as it is, justify these things?
And even with that aside, those types of punishments lead to worse crimes. What does the rapist have to lose if he kills his victim? Nothing. And I'll not point out the chance of false conviction, as you already have shown you understand.
Rape and theft are not equivalent by any stretch of the imagination.
by Person012345 » Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:36 am
by The Daktanese Technocracy » Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:49 am
by Homosexy » Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:34 am
Person012345 wrote:Wellllll, the way I see it when someone violates certain right of another human being they lose those rights themselves.
by Person012345 » Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:39 am
The Daktanese Technocracy wrote:Person012345 wrote:Not completely. What's your justification for advocating jail (assuming you do)?
Humane punishment and deterrent, with significantly higher punishments for murder, thereby nullifying the problem that torture has, where killing the rape victim is actually a no-lose scenario. And keeping the criminal away from the general population until they make significant progress in rehabilitation, which benefits all.
by Northwestfront » Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:07 am
by Person012345 » Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:15 am
Northwestfront wrote:I can almost guarentee you that the rapist was a minorty. White countries are no longer safe for white people, especially women.
Asia for the Asians, Africa for the Africans, White countries for Everybody
It is said that there is this RACE problem. They say this RACE problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY white country and ONLY into white countries.
The Netherlands and Belgium are as crowded as Japan or Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve this RACE problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.
Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries to "assimilate," i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.
What if I said there was this RACE problem and this RACE problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into EVERY black country and ONLY into black countries?
How long would it take anyone to realize I'm not talking about a RACE problem. I am talking about the final solution to the BLACK problem?
And how long would it take any sane black man to notice this and what kind of psycho black man wouldn't object to this?
But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the white race, Liberals and respectable conservatives agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.
They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white.
Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.
by The Daktanese Technocracy » Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:20 am
Person012345 wrote:The Daktanese Technocracy wrote:Humane punishment and deterrent, with significantly higher punishments for murder, thereby nullifying the problem that torture has, where killing the rape victim is actually a no-lose scenario. And keeping the criminal away from the general population until they make significant progress in rehabilitation, which benefits all.
Uh... that's not justification for jail. I never ever advocated using any excessive punishment. I said I don't morally have a problem if it were to happen to someone who I knew 100% was guilty. That does not involve any "problems" about killing the rape victim. Your answer was a complete non-answer in relation to the question. I will rephrase it for you:
Morally, what is the justification for putting a rapist in jail.
Edit: To clarify, you accused me of being "worse" than a rapist because I feel that morally speaking, them getting all manner of horrible things done to them (and this exclusively, not considering tangential issues with actually doing it) holds no moral problems. I also haven't noticed you reply to my response to your post either. What I'm asking is if you think that punishment is so bad and evil and you think that my reasoning is internally inconsistent (which I believe I demonstrated in my reply it is not), then how are you justifying putting them in jail as not being morally wrong?
by Person012345 » Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:25 am
The Daktanese Technocracy wrote:Person012345 wrote:Uh... that's not justification for jail. I never ever advocated using any excessive punishment. I said I don't morally have a problem if it were to happen to someone who I knew 100% was guilty. That does not involve any "problems" about killing the rape victim. Your answer was a complete non-answer in relation to the question. I will rephrase it for you:
Morally, what is the justification for putting a rapist in jail.
Edit: To clarify, you accused me of being "worse" than a rapist because I feel that morally speaking, them getting all manner of horrible things done to them (and this exclusively, not considering tangential issues with actually doing it) holds no moral problems. I also haven't noticed you reply to my response to your post either. What I'm asking is if you think that punishment is so bad and evil and you think that my reasoning is internally inconsistent (which I believe I demonstrated in my reply it is not), then how are you justifying putting them in jail as not being morally wrong?
I never said punishment is evil, and I outlined why jail time is acceptable. I'm not going to talk with someone who puts words in my mouth and ignores my posts. Bugger off.
by San-Silvacian » Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:45 am
Person012345 wrote:Northwestfront wrote:I can almost guarentee you that the rapist was a minorty. White countries are no longer safe for white people, especially women.
Asia for the Asians, Africa for the Africans, White countries for Everybody
It is said that there is this RACE problem. They say this RACE problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY white country and ONLY into white countries.
The Netherlands and Belgium are as crowded as Japan or Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve this RACE problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.
Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries to "assimilate," i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.
What if I said there was this RACE problem and this RACE problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into EVERY black country and ONLY into black countries?
How long would it take anyone to realize I'm not talking about a RACE problem. I am talking about the final solution to the BLACK problem?
And how long would it take any sane black man to notice this and what kind of psycho black man wouldn't object to this?
But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the white race, Liberals and respectable conservatives agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.
They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white.
Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.
Take your racist bullshit elsewhere. Note that Japan, which has an extremely low amount of immigration, also has an extremely high rate of sexual assault.
by Homosexy » Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:50 am
by Souseiseki » Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:04 pm
Homosexy wrote:Ugh. I could go on forever about "white privilege" and all that stupid BS, but I won't.
by Homosexy » Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:10 pm
by Person012345 » Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:38 pm
Homosexy wrote:As far as the racial issue, some of your points, I agree on, and some of them I'm not so sure (like the Japan thing).
This situation was created because of racial tension. And not racial tension against black people, either. This happened because their friend (Oscar Grant) was killed by a white cop. Why don't you let me tell you the story? Oscar Grant and a bunch of people were in a ruckus at one of the BART stations. When the BART cops showed up and tried to stop the situation, they told them all to get to the ground. Oscar Grant would not get to the ground. The cop, scared and stressed out because of all the chaos everywhere, went to get his taiser to get Grant to the floor. In the frenzy, he accidentally grabbed his gun and shot Grant.
Since then there's been huge explosive shit about how it was racist what he did, and how he deserves all this crazy punishment. It's turned into a racist issue, when it was an accident.
Those men were Oscar Grant's friends and they were going to a candlelight vigil the next night. I was raped. I was abused. My latina roommate and her black friend? Nothing happened to them. It's bull shit.
I've been told by a lot of people that people of color cannot be racist, because they are not powerful, which is BULL SHIT. Attitudes like this are the cause of "reverse-racism", which is really just racism. It's more and more and more prevalent day by day. I experienced it all the time with my roommate and her friends ("someone called me white." "those are fighting words", etc.) ("I can't listen to this white people shit music", "that's such a white people show", "you can't say that, you're white", "fuckin white people", "white people don't have to work for what they have" <- THIS WAS ACTUALLY SAID "we're only friends with those white people because..."). I did this every single fuckin day. Attitudes like this are ridiculous and white racism is everywhere. No one ever thinks of mexicans or asians or anything like that when they think racists. They think whites. Mexicans and black people and asians can all be just as racist as white people. Look at what happened to me. Living proof.
Ugh. I could go on forever about "white privilege" and all that stupid BS, but I won't.
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