The League & Concord | Reunification with Eladria

[Anjan Kloss]

Your dispatch uses the phrase "Europeian agent" multiple times, a phrase that is by all reasonable accounts impossible to be accurate if Europeia does not know the identity of an umprompted leaker. That's just the most obvious inaccuracy.

The moment Europeia chose not to do as required by treaty and inform TRR, that person, whoever they are, became a Europeian agent or at the very least an intelligence asset.

How is someone an “Europeian Agent” or an “intelligence asset”, if they weren’t set there to do that in the first place? If Europeia doesn’t even know the identity of the “leaker”, which means they have no control over the actions of whoever it was, making it impossible for the “leaker” to have been an “agent” or an “asset”.

[MadJack]

The moment Europeia chose not to do as required by treaty and inform TRR, that person, whoever they are, became a Europeian agent or at the very least an intelligence asset.

How is someone an “Europeian Agent” or an “intelligence asset”, if they weren’t set there to do that in the first place? If Europeia doesn’t even know the identity of the “leaker”, which means they have no control over the actions of whoever it was, making it impossible for the “leaker” to have been an “agent” or an “asset”.

Someone is a Europeian intelligence asset when Europeia is using intelligence provided to them by that person in a clandestine or illicit manner, as Europeia did. Europeia claims not to know who that person is. Except earlier in their discussions with TRR they did not say that. They said that they were prevented by treaty from revealing who it is. Then they said that they didn't receive the information from a region but a person, which feels odd in general because last I checked treaties were between regions or organisations, not between a region and a person.

We, however, will not back down, or be pressured into admitting wrongdoing for standing by an ally who was under siege from your libel, and we were broadly correct in the end.

You categorically weren't correct and nothing I said was libel.

[Quebecshire]

You categorically weren't correct and nothing I said was libel.

You're entitled to think that but you throwing a tantrum about it in our embassy thread is unlikely to change our position.

[MadJack]

You categorically weren't correct and nothing I said was libel.

You're entitled to think that but you throwing a tantrum about it in our embassy thread is unlikely to change our position.

You dismissing what I'm saying as a tantrum kinda shows you could be shown overwhelmingly compelling evidence and you'd spin it away anyway. But like any prolonged interaction with you, this has been unpleasant enough to last for weeks, so I'll stop replying to you here.

[Quebecshire]

You're entitled to think that but you throwing a tantrum about it in our embassy thread is unlikely to change our position.

You dismissing what I'm saying as a tantrum kinda shows you could be shown overwhelmingly compelling evidence and you'd spin it away anyway. But like any prolonged interaction with you, this has been unpleasant enough to last for weeks, so I'll stop replying to you here.

[The Hinterplace]

Your dispatch uses the phrase "Europeian agent" multiple times, a phrase that is by all reasonable accounts impossible to be accurate if Europeia does not know the identity of an umprompted leaker. That's just the most obvious inaccuracy.

The moment Europeia chose not to do as required by treaty and inform TRR, that person, whoever they are, became a Europeian agent or at the very least an intelligence asset.

Are whistleblower's intelligence assets now?

[Valinka]

The moment Europeia chose not to do as required by treaty and inform TRR, that person, whoever they are, became a Europeian agent or at the very least an intelligence asset.

Are whistleblower's intelligence assets now?

...MadJack voicing his own (correct) opinion on Europeia in a private citizens' channel is something that needs a whistleblower? What, did MadJack do anything wrong in saying that?

[Kyorgia]

Referring to Amerion as a "so-called" third party and implying he took part in some kind of conspiracy alongside Europeia to "bury" an issue is inaccurate and unsubstantiated. Amerion was nominated as Minister of Foreign Affairs shortly after the Admiral General's return to the game after a prolonged absence due to real life obligations (during which he only maintained his nation for internal regional security purposes as he is a key endorsement-holder in TSP). This was deliberate by the PM, largely so that Amerion could act as a respected and uninvolved senior statesman (as a former Delegate and Prime Minister) in handling the lingering fallout of the events with TNP. As the events in Aegis related to Europeia accessing TRR's citizens forum emerged, Amerion's lack of involvement in the previous 1-2 years of defender politicking again became relevant. No member of TSP's government encouraged Amerion to make a specific determination in his findings and the evidence was not shared with any member of TSP's government.

One can object to the resolution reached in Europeia and TRR's joint statement on July 3 without an unsubstantiated claim of misconduct or bias on Amerion's part.

I'm not sure what you want me to think when a TSP government advisor post pretty blantalty against TRR and when a TSP government official is chosen as the "third party" they side fully with Europeia.

[The Hinterplace]

That doesn't make their statement any less important. It is vital that people speak out against appeasement to Raider Unity, an organization of regions that disrupt and, in some cases, demolish good governance without any casus iusta belli.

...yes it does. This statement is a formality. TL/C were already going to vote against all our WA proposals, interfere with our military operations, threaten to overthrow our government, and indeed have done all these things ever since relations broke down. 'More regions standing up against BoM/TCB' implies they weren't opposed to us previously, which just isn't true. As a side note, 'Raider Unity' is not an *organisation*, and it never has been.

(1) This statement may be a formality, as you say, but words are important and many regions and organizations have been silent, officially, while Raider Unity has committed terrible actions.

(2) I would classify Raider Unity as "an organized body of people with a particular purpose." It may not be as organized as Libcord or Antifa, but there is a shared jump point and a shared purpose.

[The Hinterplace]

Are whistleblowers intelligence assets now?

...MadJack voicing his own (correct) opinion on Europeia in a private citizens' channel is something that needs a whistleblower? What, did MadJack do anything wrong in saying that?

Was it something that needs a whistleblower? No, probably not, but that does not mean that the person was not acting in that capacity.

[Valinka]

...MadJack voicing his own (correct) opinion on Europeia in a private citizens' channel is something that needs a whistleblower? What, did MadJack do anything wrong in saying that?

Was it something that needs a whistleblower? No, probably not, but that does not mean that the person was not acting in that capacity.

Whistleblowers expose scandals, not mainstream political opinions.

[Quebecshire]

I'm not sure what you want me to think when a TSP government advisor post pretty blantalty against TRR and when a TSP government official is chosen as the "third party" they side fully with Europeia.

It all comes back to the deglender hivemind.

Amerion wasn't even suggested by the South's Delegation, rather by TGW's, which you called the "most reasonable ally" in a previous discussion about this.

But then again, in the same linked post, you said you do trust Amerion! Why the shift from trusting him, to baselessly accusing him of "burying" the situation? The situation was closed when you said you trusted him, and it's still closed now (despite the best efforts of some...) so - what changed?

[Frattastan II]

I'm not sure what you want me to think when a TSP government advisor post pretty blantalty against TRR and when a TSP government official is chosen as the "third party" they side fully with Europeia.

Amerion is an upstanding and competent person and there is no need to attack them or their region over what happened.

[Angeloid Astraea]

I'm just enjoying the fact that a defender confused that AI-generated high-ranking defender response for a Quebecshire post.

[Gemeinschaftsland]

I'm just enjoying the fact that a defender confused that AI-generated high-ranking defender response for a Quebecshire post.

LOL. I was thinking in my head “ngl that sounds kinda like something Quebec might post, minus the Catalyse part” while I was writing out my response, and I my fingers put Quebec’s name on the screen. I then proceeded to have a minor heart attack when someone quoted that.

Moral of the story, get more sleep than I do, and read things over before pressing submit.

[GNS S06]

You're entitled to think that but you throwing a tantrum about it in our embassy thread is unlikely to change our position.

You dismissing what I'm saying as a tantrum kinda shows you could be shown overwhelmingly compelling evidence and you'd spin it away anyway.

You're free to demonstrate that once you present your ""overwhelmingly compelling evidence.""

[Lord Dominator]

As entertaining as this and as much as I agree with MJ/other TRR folks in general here, I think we’ve rather wandered off discussing TL/Concord

[United Calanworie]

...MadJack voicing his own (correct) opinion on Europeia in a private citizens' channel is something that needs a whistleblower? What, did MadJack do anything wrong in saying that?

Was it something that needs a whistleblower? No, probably not, but that does not mean that the person was not acting in that capacity.

whis·tle-blow·er
/ˈ(h)wisəl ˌblō(ə)r/
noun
noun: whistleblower
a person who informs on a person or organization engaged in an illicit activity.

A whistleblower (also written as whistle-blower or whistle blower) is a person, often an employee, who reveals information about activity within a private or public organization that is deemed illegal, immoral, illicit, unsafe or fraudulent.

[The Hinterplace]

whis·tle-blow·er
/ˈ(h)wisəl ˌblō(ə)r/
noun
noun: whistleblower
a person who informs on a person or organization engaged in an illicit activity.

A whistleblower (also written as whistle-blower or whistle blower) is a person, often an employee, who reveals information about activity within a private or public organization that is deemed illegal, immoral, illicit, unsafe or fraudulent.

Thanks, Google.

[Rhaza]

Operation Red October

IN SOLIDARITY WE STAND with those tormented by raiders and their affiliates, from the smallest roleplay region terorized to the game-created regions antagonized by them.

The League's Defense Forces continues to be one of the most numerous, versatile, and well-trained militaries on NationStates. It is here we declare our intent for today to be the first update in the largest anti-raider offensive in NationStates' history. In the Frontier world, this cause requires innovation and boldness in taking the fight to these opponents. To fight fire with fire, to subject them to thes same fate and dread they have long subjected others to with impunity.

Solidarity has remained a colony of regions including The Communist Bloc, a griefer region which has indeed propped up this Frontier with endorsements militarily, funneled its members into their own community that advances invading, and aggrieved many upon many regions including our's. It is a colony, a possession, of the Bloc. It is now our's.

Thank you to those who particpated in this operation, and those who may join us. The road ahead is not short or easy, but may we approach

Don’t delay, enlist today!

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The League's Defense Forces

Consul Quebecshire (point)
General New Makasta (regional officer/backup trigger)
Colonel DinoNet
Colonel Raziel
Lieutenant Icaris
Lieutenant Anjan Kloss (regional officer)
Fmr. General Andrew Du
Flagbearer Bootyswana
Flagbearer Zjaum
Flagbearer Zloveschiy
Cannoneer Bladium
Cannoneer Ecalpa
Cannoneer Kanjuura (regional officer)
Cannoneer Mediternia
Cannoneer New San Antonio
Cannoneer New Fernia
Minuteman Entropan
Minuteman United Tanks
Volunteer Montcrabe
Volunteer New Illyricum
Volunteer Not Gagium
Volunteer Salisford

The Order of the Grey Wardens

First Warden Sir Merlin
High Constable Varax (regional officer)
Warden-Commander Haku
Warden-Commande Westinor (trigger)
Warden-Constable AuraKlimaX (regional officer)
Warden-Lieutenant AC Alex
Warden-Lieutenant Pyrohy
Warden-Lieutenant Takkavitta
Senior Warden Wolfandil
Senior Warden Igualla
Senior Warden Eshialand
Warden New Lamp Dynasty
Warden Izon
Warden Wandering Mercenary
Warden Honeydewistania
Warden Wyvern
Warden-Recruit Josi

Ten-thousand Islands Treaty Organization

Plenty.

Europeian Republican Navy

President JayDee
Grand Admiral Vor (regional officer)
Rear Admiral Peeps
Captain Forilian (regional officer)
Lieutenant Spagtop
Mate Altrio
Mate Josi
Mate Prov
Mate Sanju

Cadet UPC (backup trigger)
Cadet Sopo

North Pacific Army

Minister of Defense Comfed (regional officer)
General Robespierre
General Zazumo (regional officer)
Colonel Quietdad
Colonel Rom
Lieutenant Bobberino
Corporal Magecastle
Private First Class Datejl

Balder Jomsvikings

Chief of Defence Kazaman
Boatman Millenhal (regional officer)

Additionally, a hearty thank you to our non-military Coordinators, who have played importance roles in organization, outreach, and advisement.

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We can just used dirties out of ass. What are they going to do? Chase us? Guess our target? Not happening.

[Bendicion]

One word.

Woah

[Ostrovskiy]

Congrats everyone.

[The Hinterplace]

Well done everyone!! Glad to have been a part!

"For morning came, morning and a wind from the sea; and the darkness was removed, and the hosts of Mordor wailed, and terror took them, and they fled, and died, and the hoofs of wrath rode over them. And then all the host of Rohan burst into song, and they sang as they slew, for the joy of battle was on them, and the sound of their singing that was fair and terrible came even to the City" (The Return of the King, J.R.R. Tolkien).

[Angeloid Astraea]

Attacking NSLeft's frontier because TCB is one of their members? That is a bold strategy... Let's see how it works out for you in the long-run!

[Bootyswana]

Attacking NSLeft's frontier because TCB is one of their members? That is a bold strategy... Let's see how it works out for you in the long-run!

The first cope post has arrived!