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by United Calanworie » Sat Aug 12, 2023 8:42 pm
Hermes Express 123 wrote:Sedgistan wrote:As part of our review, I've done a much deeper dive into Hermes Express 123's background, which has uncovered a handful of older RMB posts on puppets that included a transphobic slur, and expressing a desire to "one day ostracizing the gender dysphoric". This obviously paints their behaviour reported in this thread in a much less generous light, and as such I'm reversing my earlier ruling and *** warning Hermes Express 123 for trolling. ***
I note that this doesn't change the Moderation principles expressed in this thread - that we prohibit behaviours not opinions; in theory it remains possible to express a viewpoint that translates to "gender dysphoria is a mental illness" in a rules compliant fashion; I can't say whether that has been successfully done so in the past, as I don't routinely frequent NSG (or the many RMBs these discussions happen on). Obviously, as stated from the start, most people expressing that view are doing so with an intention to troll, and are punished accordingly. The warnings for spamming Moderation handed out above stand as well.
As a general rule, we dislike locking threads except for when necessary. I am therefore reopening this one, but only for questions and comments from Juristonia (the reporting party), Hermes Express 123 (the reported party), and obviously any Moderators as well. No other players should post here.
Can I ask which puppet of mine that quote came from?
Is that a direct quote? I don’t recall writing that.
by United Calanworie » Sat Aug 12, 2023 8:44 pm
Lauderdalle wrote:Sedge I do have to ask, what are these previous offenses?
by Hermes Express 123 » Sat Aug 12, 2023 8:48 pm
by HARAMUN » Sat Aug 12, 2023 9:14 pm
by United Calanworie » Sat Aug 12, 2023 9:17 pm
HARAMUN wrote:According to the Bible the LGBTQ are Sinners and being LGBTQ is a sin that needs to be repented of. The Bible clearly teaches it is a sin in accordance with scripture -Deuteronomy 22:5, Leviticus 20:13, Leviticus 18:22, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, Romans 1:26-32, Mark 10:6-9, Jude 1:7,
1 Corinthians 7:2, 1 Timothy 1:9-11, Genesis 19:1-38, and also Revelation 22:15 (he that hath ears to hear will understand this verse)- and that those which practice the LGBTQ lifestyle will not go to Heaven. It is not trolling to state these facts, it is merely pointing out my beliefs.
by Hermes Express 123 » Mon Aug 14, 2023 4:27 am
by Katganistan » Mon Aug 14, 2023 10:27 pm
Hermes Express 123 wrote:Moderation, I’d like to appeal my warning.
by Hermes Express 123 » Mon Aug 14, 2023 10:30 pm
by Katganistan » Mon Aug 14, 2023 10:33 pm
by Hermes Express 123 » Tue Aug 15, 2023 1:54 am
by Karamuru » Tue Aug 15, 2023 2:04 am
Sedgistan wrote:It's not flaming. He's calling Hermes Express 123 a "rando[n] transphobe", which is not a flame, and the "asshole" when read with the context of the first sentence is stating Hermes Express 123 is talking out of their ass / pulled their evidence out of their ass. Rude, but not flaming. The key bit is he's not calling Hermes Express 123 an asshole.
by Sedgistan » Tue Aug 15, 2023 2:07 am
Karamuru wrote:Sedgistan wrote:It's not flaming. He's calling Hermes Express 123 a "rando[n] transphobe", which is not a flame, and the "asshole" when read with the context of the first sentence is stating Hermes Express 123 is talking out of their ass / pulled their evidence out of their ass. Rude, but not flaming. The key bit is he's not calling Hermes Express 123 an asshole.
So rudeness is allowed.
by The Archregimancy » Wed Aug 16, 2023 1:06 pm
Hermes Express 123 wrote:Moderation, I’d like to appeal my warning.
by Hermes Express 123 » Wed Aug 16, 2023 2:42 pm
The Archregimancy wrote:Hermes Express 123 wrote:Moderation, I’d like to appeal my warning.
Appeal Denied
1) We do not have an outright ban on discussions of psychology and gender dysphoria; there are a variety of viewpoints on this issue in mainstream political debate in different countries.
2) However, care should be taken in how the discussion of this complex topic is undertaken.
3) Going into a Trans Discussion Thread which has a significant number of Trans participants and typing 'all Trans people are mentally ill' is inflammatory.
4) In contrast, starting a new thread on "Gender Dysphoria and Psychology" and offering the opinion that 'gender dysphoria is a largely psychological issue, and we should be offering counselling to people who identify as a different gender rather than facilitating self-identification' shows how the issue might potentially be addressed without slipping into trolling. It's an opinion that many posters will no doubt disagree with, but it attempts to present an alternative perspective constructively (this is not an absolute pre-emptive ruling; context will always need to be considered).
5) In terms of starting new threads for this type of discussion outside of an established megathread, we would direct everyone to the stickied announcement at the top of General titled "Megathread Policy Change in General Discussion".
6) Following on from point 5 and the stickied policy change announcement, since the Trans Discussion Thread, Christian Discussion Thread, and a couple of others are taking longer to reach 500 pages than anticipated, we may choose to remove the numbering from thread titles ourselves in some cases; this may take us a few days to complete.
by Hermes Express 123 » Wed Aug 16, 2023 4:07 pm
The Archregimancy wrote:Hermes Express 123 wrote:Moderation, I’d like to appeal my warning.
Appeal Denied
1) We do not have an outright ban on discussions of psychology and gender dysphoria; there are a variety of viewpoints on this issue in mainstream political debate in different countries.
2) However, care should be taken in how the discussion of this complex topic is undertaken.
3) Going into a Trans Discussion Thread which has a significant number of Trans participants and typing 'all Trans people are mentally ill' is inflammatory.
4) In contrast, starting a new thread on "Gender Dysphoria and Psychology" and offering the opinion that 'gender dysphoria is a largely psychological issue, and we should be offering counselling to people who identify as a different gender rather than facilitating self-identification' shows how the issue might potentially be addressed without slipping into trolling. It's an opinion that many posters will no doubt disagree with, but it attempts to present an alternative perspective constructively (this is not an absolute pre-emptive ruling; context will always need to be considered).
5) In terms of starting new threads for this type of discussion outside of an established megathread, we would direct everyone to the stickied announcement at the top of General titled "Megathread Policy Change in General Discussion".
6) Following on from point 5 and the stickied policy change announcement, since the Trans Discussion Thread, Christian Discussion Thread, and a couple of others are taking longer to reach 500 pages than anticipated, we may choose to remove the numbering from thread titles ourselves in some cases; this may take us a few days to complete.
by The Blaatschapen » Wed Aug 16, 2023 7:14 pm
Hermes Express 123 wrote:The Archregimancy wrote:
Appeal Denied
1) We do not have an outright ban on discussions of psychology and gender dysphoria; there are a variety of viewpoints on this issue in mainstream political debate in different countries.
2) However, care should be taken in how the discussion of this complex topic is undertaken.
3) Going into a Trans Discussion Thread which has a significant number of Trans participants and typing 'all Trans people are mentally ill' is inflammatory.
4) In contrast, starting a new thread on "Gender Dysphoria and Psychology" and offering the opinion that 'gender dysphoria is a largely psychological issue, and we should be offering counselling to people who identify as a different gender rather than facilitating self-identification' shows how the issue might potentially be addressed without slipping into trolling. It's an opinion that many posters will no doubt disagree with, but it attempts to present an alternative perspective constructively (this is not an absolute pre-emptive ruling; context will always need to be considered).
5) In terms of starting new threads for this type of discussion outside of an established megathread, we would direct everyone to the stickied announcement at the top of General titled "Megathread Policy Change in General Discussion".
6) Following on from point 5 and the stickied policy change announcement, since the Trans Discussion Thread, Christian Discussion Thread, and a couple of others are taking longer to reach 500 pages than anticipated, we may choose to remove the numbering from thread titles ourselves in some cases; this may take us a few days to complete.
Right, got some opinions on the matter from other players.
I've decided that I'd like to file a Final Appeal. I'm of the mind that this is a pretty serious injustice, and so I feel it needs to be brought to a higher level.
Final Appeals
Final Appeals are time-consuming, and you should lodge one only when you believe a significant injustice has occurred--not for minor forum warnings and short-term forumbans (which would be over before a Final Appeal could conclude). Frivolous appeals may result in warnings being added to your nation.
by Hermes Express 123 » Wed Aug 16, 2023 7:20 pm
The Blaatschapen wrote:Hermes Express 123 wrote:
Right, got some opinions on the matter from other players.
I've decided that I'd like to file a Final Appeal. I'm of the mind that this is a pretty serious injustice, and so I feel it needs to be brought to a higher level.
From viewtopic.php?p=16394954#appeals subsection Final Appeals:Final Appeals
Final Appeals are time-consuming, and you should lodge one only when you believe a significant injustice has occurred--not for minor forum warnings and short-term forumbans (which would be over before a Final Appeal could conclude). Frivolous appeals may result in warnings being added to your nation.
Are you sure you want to go there?
by United Calanworie » Wed Aug 16, 2023 11:29 pm
by New Visayan Islands » Mon Aug 21, 2023 4:51 am
Hermes Express 123 wrote:The Archregimancy wrote:
Appeal Denied
1) We do not have an outright ban on discussions of psychology and gender dysphoria; there are a variety of viewpoints on this issue in mainstream political debate in different countries.
2) However, care should be taken in how the discussion of this complex topic is undertaken.
3) Going into a Trans Discussion Thread which has a significant number of Trans participants and typing 'all Trans people are mentally ill' is inflammatory.
4) In contrast, starting a new thread on "Gender Dysphoria and Psychology" and offering the opinion that 'gender dysphoria is a largely psychological issue, and we should be offering counselling to people who identify as a different gender rather than facilitating self-identification' shows how the issue might potentially be addressed without slipping into trolling. It's an opinion that many posters will no doubt disagree with, but it attempts to present an alternative perspective constructively (this is not an absolute pre-emptive ruling; context will always need to be considered).
5) In terms of starting new threads for this type of discussion outside of an established megathread, we would direct everyone to the stickied announcement at the top of General titled "Megathread Policy Change in General Discussion".
6) Following on from point 5 and the stickied policy change announcement, since the Trans Discussion Thread, Christian Discussion Thread, and a couple of others are taking longer to reach 500 pages than anticipated, we may choose to remove the numbering from thread titles ourselves in some cases; this may take us a few days to complete.
Right, got some opinions on the matter from other players.
I've decided that I'd like to file a Final Appeal. I'm of the mind that this is a pretty serious injustice, and so I feel it needs to be brought to a higher level.
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