by Sedgistan » Mon Feb 21, 2022 4:02 am
by Ever-Wandering Souls » Tue Feb 22, 2022 4:40 pm
The Alicorns (Equestria) wrote:Let them stay, no need to badmouth them...From our view a bunch of nations just came in, seized the delegate position, and changed a few superficial things...we play NationStates differently...there's really no reason for us to be butthurt.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8944227
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8951258
Reploid Productions wrote:Raiders are endlessly creative
by Sedgistan » Tue Feb 22, 2022 11:57 pm
by Sedgistan » Mon Mar 07, 2022 12:29 pm
by Ever-Wandering Souls » Tue Mar 08, 2022 9:36 am
The Alicorns (Equestria) wrote:Let them stay, no need to badmouth them...From our view a bunch of nations just came in, seized the delegate position, and changed a few superficial things...we play NationStates differently...there's really no reason for us to be butthurt.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8944227
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8951258
Reploid Productions wrote:Raiders are endlessly creative
by Sedgistan » Tue Mar 08, 2022 10:23 am
by Ever-Wandering Souls » Tue Mar 08, 2022 11:14 am
Sedgistan wrote:The Predator situation came about differently, for a whole host of reasons, and I feel there's aspects of that we'd probably run more like we are with Reliant if it came up now.
The main staff goals with situations like this are:
1) Stop illegal behaviour.
2) Punish rules violations as appropriate.
3) Explain the above to avoid future such violations.
Goal 1 is always the immediate priority, and was handled with this thread. 2 + 3 are best handled together. 3 also cannot be fully covered until the admin-side investigation is complete - I'd prefer not to give people partial or unconfirmed information on that - it's best handled when we have the full picture and can share that.
I know there's players waiting and worried that a Predator-esque mod-bomb is going to drop on them. We would all like to get this finalised as soon as possible, not least to avoid people being in a position where they're waiting with those concerns. From a mod point of view, we have no idea what/if the outcome on our part will be, because we haven't even got to that stage of the discussion yet - we don't have the information we need from the admin team yet.
I cannot put an ETA on things, as I think we've all learned you cannot put an ETA on admin time.
The Alicorns (Equestria) wrote:Let them stay, no need to badmouth them...From our view a bunch of nations just came in, seized the delegate position, and changed a few superficial things...we play NationStates differently...there's really no reason for us to be butthurt.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8944227
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8951258
Reploid Productions wrote:Raiders are endlessly creative
by Ever-Wandering Souls » Fri Mar 18, 2022 10:07 am
The Alicorns (Equestria) wrote:Let them stay, no need to badmouth them...From our view a bunch of nations just came in, seized the delegate position, and changed a few superficial things...we play NationStates differently...there's really no reason for us to be butthurt.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8944227
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8951258
Reploid Productions wrote:Raiders are endlessly creative
by Sedgistan » Fri Mar 18, 2022 12:07 pm
by Wymondham » Fri Mar 18, 2022 12:11 pm
Sedgistan wrote:There is a chance that staff exasperation with situations like this could result in admin banning script use on the html site (as against API) entirely.
by Free Algerstonia » Fri Mar 18, 2022 12:20 pm
by Madjack » Fri Mar 18, 2022 12:22 pm
Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:I don't even have an axe potentially looming over my neck
by Ever-Wandering Souls » Fri Mar 18, 2022 12:29 pm
Sedgistan wrote:It's potentially going to be several more weeks. It requires a ridiculous amount of work - and admin work, which is the most limited thing here - to investigate these kinds of cases. There is a chance that staff exasperation with situations like this could result in admin banning script use on the html site (as against API) entirely.
Madjack wrote:Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:I don't even have an axe potentially looming over my neck
Axe here is a fitting metaphor, given that your only interest in continuing to pursue this is that you and others in your faction have an axe to grind over past misdeeds that many of you still don't accept that proportionately punished.
The Alicorns (Equestria) wrote:Let them stay, no need to badmouth them...From our view a bunch of nations just came in, seized the delegate position, and changed a few superficial things...we play NationStates differently...there's really no reason for us to be butthurt.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8944227
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8951258
Reploid Productions wrote:Raiders are endlessly creative
by Dawn Denac » Fri Mar 18, 2022 12:51 pm
Madjack wrote:Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:I don't even have an axe potentially looming over my neck
Axe here is a fitting metaphor, given that your only interest in continuing to pursue this is that you and others in your faction have an axe to grind over past misdeeds that many of you still don't accept that were proportionately punished.
by Roavin » Fri Mar 18, 2022 1:03 pm
Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:By comparison, here there have been no staff details so far about what this tool was, did, or how it was illegal....and those who operate it clearly aren't publicly discussing it either.
Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:Sedgistan wrote:It's potentially going to be several more weeks. It requires a ridiculous amount of work - and admin work, which is the most limited thing here - to investigate these kinds of cases. There is a chance that staff exasperation with situations like this could result in admin banning script use on the html site (as against API) entirely.
Interesting. You probably can't say, but is the difficulty of investigation because the author/operators have been uncooperative? I hope not, that would be unfortunate, and show a total lack of lessons learned from the past. =/ I mean, if there *is* cooperation, and it's already decidedly illegal, what's taking a month and "several more weeks" to investigate??
Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:As the person overseeing our authorship and review process, I do have a vested interest in learning what was illegal, and how, to double check that our authors are aware of whatever the issue was here, and that our methods would catch this during a review.
by Dawn Denac » Fri Mar 18, 2022 1:13 pm
by Ever-Wandering Souls » Fri Mar 18, 2022 1:14 pm
Roavin wrote:snip
The Alicorns (Equestria) wrote:Let them stay, no need to badmouth them...From our view a bunch of nations just came in, seized the delegate position, and changed a few superficial things...we play NationStates differently...there's really no reason for us to be butthurt.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8944227
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8951258
Reploid Productions wrote:Raiders are endlessly creative
by Roavin » Fri Mar 18, 2022 1:30 pm
Dawn Denac wrote:I'm going to err on the side you can't say anything due to the staff's investigation into the matter, but on the off chance you can, do you yourself or other users of Reliant have any theories on -why- it might be illegal, or are you in the dark as well in that regard?
by Dawn Denac » Fri Mar 18, 2022 1:31 pm
Roavin wrote:Dawn Denac wrote:I'm going to err on the side you can't say anything due to the staff's investigation into the matter, but on the off chance you can, do you yourself or other users of Reliant have any theories on -why- it might be illegal, or are you in the dark as well in that regard?
We're totally in the dark, and even our few educated guesses are a stretch.
by Sedgistan » Fri Mar 18, 2022 2:02 pm
Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:Interesting. You probably can't say, but is the difficulty of investigation because the author/operators have been uncooperative?
Wymondham wrote:Sedgistan wrote:There is a chance that staff exasperation with situations like this could result in admin banning script use on the html site (as against API) entirely.
Is this a policy that is genuinely being considered by admin/moderation or just a turn of phrase for frustrating this issue has been for site staff?
by Ever-Wandering Souls » Fri Mar 18, 2022 2:07 pm
The Alicorns (Equestria) wrote:Let them stay, no need to badmouth them...From our view a bunch of nations just came in, seized the delegate position, and changed a few superficial things...we play NationStates differently...there's really no reason for us to be butthurt.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8944227
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8951258
Reploid Productions wrote:Raiders are endlessly creative
by Zizou » Fri Mar 18, 2022 2:21 pm
Sedgistan wrote:There is a chance that staff exasperation with situations like this could result in admin banning script use on the html site (as against API) entirely.
Parxland wrote:It might somehow give me STDs through the computer screen with how often you hop between different groups of people.
by Sedgistan » Fri Mar 18, 2022 2:26 pm
Zizou wrote:I'm also a bit confused on what exactly the staff is exasperated about. The only major recent incidents I can recall are with Storm, where there was cooperation with the moderators and the script was promptly fixed, and then this, where there also seems to be full cooperation with the moderators. Now obviously there may be things going on behind the scenes that we're not aware of, but if this is all there is, I'm not sure why there's this level of exasperation and angst here as well.
[violet] wrote:HTML bots violate site rules on a very regular basis. It's very difficult for admin to tell whether this is because the author made a mistake, was unaware of the rules, or was trying to cheat. A large percentage of the time, when there's a major system performance problem, it's because of a bot running rampant on the HTML site. Often, I see bots that are clearly trying to stay within the rules but slip up occasionally, sending too many requests in a burst.
We built an API for bots that doesn't have this problem -- you can do whatever you like there, with no fear of accidentally falling foul of the rules. The API itself simply prevents bots from breaking the rules, and serves you data in a fast, efficient, and stable format.
by Sandaoguo » Fri Mar 18, 2022 3:54 pm
Sedgistan wrote:It's potentially going to be several more weeks. It requires a ridiculous amount of work - and admin work, which is the most limited thing here - to investigate these kinds of cases. There is a chance that staff exasperation with situations like this could result in admin banning script use on the html site (as against API) entirely.
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