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by Atheris » Tue May 04, 2021 4:33 pm
by Borderlands of Rojava » Tue May 04, 2021 4:34 pm
Immortan Khan wrote:Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Because otherwise you get balkanization. People in a community need unity of some kind and if they think of themselves as distinct entities, there will be only distrust at best and violence at worst.
Odd how there have been numerous very successful multi-ethnic states throughout human history that lasted long periods of time. Framing it also in terms of security is also very precarious because there is never enough security so it's not very difficult to start kicking the ball down the hill that leads to greater and greater discrimination.
by New Jacobland » Tue May 04, 2021 4:35 pm
Great Algerstonia wrote:New Jacobland wrote:CCP: Nationalist, commits genocide
Nazi Germany: Nationalist, commits genocide
See a pattern?
CCP: Originally fought against Kuomintang dictatorship and Japanese hordes, holds relations with numerous countries around the world, doesn't seek to limit religion, isn't led by batshit leaders that want to conquer the world.
Nazi Germany: Originally was created based on legitimate hatred of Western Powers and made-up hatred of Jews, held relationships only with it's collaborator countries, seeked to destroy religion and sought to slaughter peoples of multiple religions, led by batshit leaders that wanted to conquer the world.
See a pattern?
by New haven america » Tue May 04, 2021 4:36 pm
Great Algerstonia wrote:New Jacobland wrote:CCP: Nationalist, commits genocide
Nazi Germany: Nationalist, commits genocide
See a pattern?
CCP: Originally fought against Kuomintang dictatorship and Japanese hordes, holds relations with numerous countries around the world, doesn't seek to limit religion, isn't led by batshit leaders that want to conquer the world.
Nazi Germany: Originally was created based on legitimate hatred of Western Powers and made-up hatred of Jews, held relationships only with it's collaborator countries, seeked to destroy religion and sought to slaughter peoples of multiple religions, led by batshit leaders that wanted to conquer the world.
See a pattern?
by San Lumen » Tue May 04, 2021 4:37 pm
Shrillland wrote:DeSantis sets the date for the Fort Lauderdale-West Palm Beach byelection: January 11, 2022
No, that's not a typo, that's how far ahead the general will be. The primary will be on November 2.
by Atheris » Tue May 04, 2021 4:37 pm
Immortan Khan wrote:Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Because otherwise you get balkanization. People in a community need unity of some kind and if they think of themselves as distinct entities, there will be only distrust at best and violence at worst.
Odd how there have been numerous very successful multi-ethnic states throughout human history that lasted long periods of time.
by Punished UMN » Tue May 04, 2021 4:37 pm
North Washington Republic wrote:Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Because otherwise you get balkanization. People in a community need unity of some kind and if they think of themselves as distinct entities, there will be only distrust at best and violence at worst.
Wow, we agree on something. Amazing!
But indeed, there needs to be some acceptance of cultural and social norms practiced by all people.
by Shrillland » Tue May 04, 2021 4:40 pm
San Lumen wrote:Shrillland wrote:DeSantis sets the date for the Fort Lauderdale-West Palm Beach byelection: January 11, 2022
No, that's not a typo, that's how far ahead the general will be. The primary will be on November 2.
A judge should order him to to set it for earlier.
by Kowani » Tue May 04, 2021 4:43 pm
by The Reformed American Republic » Tue May 04, 2021 4:44 pm
Shrillland wrote:DeSantis sets the date for the Fort Lauderdale-West Palm Beach byelection: January 11, 2022
No, that's not a typo, that's how far ahead the general will be. The primary will be on November 2.
by Atheris » Tue May 04, 2021 4:45 pm
Russia supports oligarchic capitalism and doesn't give a shit about anything else, including Russia's well being and the Russians living there.
And the US was actually quite content to continue being a part of The UK.
by Immortan Khan » Tue May 04, 2021 4:45 pm
Atheris wrote:Immortan Khan wrote:Odd how there have been numerous very successful multi-ethnic states throughout human history that lasted long periods of time.
Keep in mind, though, that when these countries did fall apart (which happened more often than you think), they usually led to war and/or ethnic cleansing; Yugoslavia is the most obvious example, but it's also worth pointing out the USSR (the Caucasus and Ukraine)/Russian Empire (literally everywhere, even excluding the Russian Civil War), the Austro-Hungarian Empire, the Ottoman Empire, the British Empire, and even seemingly homogenous countries like Afghanistan (the Taliban, for all intents and purposes, is a Pashtun nationalist group). Hell, it's even worth looking back at the empires of Antiquity like the Western Roman Empire.
by North Washington Republic » Tue May 04, 2021 4:46 pm
Punished UMN wrote:North Washington Republic wrote:
Wow, we agree on something. Amazing!
But indeed, there needs to be some acceptance of cultural and social norms practiced by all people.
The issue here though is that you are equating nation with sovereignty, and thereby making the legal state indistinguishable ideologically from the nation-state.
by Punished UMN » Tue May 04, 2021 4:47 pm
Atheris wrote:
And yet, it was an empire. Plus, monarchy =! nationalism.Russia supports oligarchic capitalism and doesn't give a shit about anything else, including Russia's well being and the Russians living there.
Which is why it's invading Georgia and Ukraine's Russian-populated areas.
by Punished UMN » Tue May 04, 2021 4:48 pm
North Washington Republic wrote:Punished UMN wrote:The issue here though is that you are equating nation with sovereignty, and thereby making the legal state indistinguishable ideologically from the nation-state.
I’m having trouble understanding your point. My wish is that there people living in a nation adopt and practice the basic and social norms of that nation. I also wish that people living in a nation due their best to speak, read and write the majority language too.
by Atheris » Tue May 04, 2021 4:48 pm
Punished UMN wrote:Atheris wrote:And yet, it was an empire. Plus, monarchy =! nationalism.
Which is why it's invading Georgia and Ukraine's Russian-populated areas.
Russia did not invade "Russian-populated areas" of Georgia. Georgia had two independent republics that had been independent since 1990, which Georgia invaded in 2008, and the Russian Federation launched a counterattack to drive them out of these areas. Even the European Union's independent fact-finding mission blamed Georgia for the outbreak of the war.
by The Reformed American Republic » Tue May 04, 2021 4:50 pm
by New haven america » Tue May 04, 2021 4:51 pm
Atheris wrote:
1. And yet, it was an empire. Plus, monarchy =! nationalism.Russia supports oligarchic capitalism and doesn't give a shit about anything else, including Russia's well being and the Russians living there.
2. Which is why it's invading Georgia and Ukraine's Russian-populated areas.And the US was actually quite content to continue being a part of The UK.
3. Which is why we fought a bitter 8 year war to overthrow them.
by Immortan Khan » Tue May 04, 2021 4:53 pm
Punished UMN wrote:Atheris wrote:And yet, it was an empire. Plus, monarchy =! nationalism.
Which is why it's invading Georgia and Ukraine's Russian-populated areas.
Russia did not invade "Russian-populated areas" of Georgia. Georgia had two independent republics that had been independent since 1990, which Georgia invaded in 2008, and the Russian Federation launched a counterattack to drive them out of these areas. Even the European Union's independent fact-finding mission blamed Georgia for the outbreak of the war.
by Punished UMN » Tue May 04, 2021 4:54 pm
Atheris wrote:Punished UMN wrote:Russia did not invade "Russian-populated areas" of Georgia. Georgia had two independent republics that had been independent since 1990, which Georgia invaded in 2008, and the Russian Federation launched a counterattack to drive them out of these areas. Even the European Union's independent fact-finding mission blamed Georgia for the outbreak of the war.
Fair, I thought Abkhazia and South Ossetia had a Russian minority. Shows how much I need to brush up on the region.
by New haven america » Tue May 04, 2021 4:55 pm
Atheris wrote:Punished UMN wrote:Russia did not invade "Russian-populated areas" of Georgia. Georgia had two independent republics that had been independent since 1990, which Georgia invaded in 2008, and the Russian Federation launched a counterattack to drive them out of these areas. Even the European Union's independent fact-finding mission blamed Georgia for the outbreak of the war.
Fair, I thought Abkhazia and South Ossetia had a Russian minority. Shows how much I need to brush up on the region.
by Immortan Khan » Tue May 04, 2021 4:56 pm
Atheris wrote:Punished UMN wrote:Russia did not invade "Russian-populated areas" of Georgia. Georgia had two independent republics that had been independent since 1990, which Georgia invaded in 2008, and the Russian Federation launched a counterattack to drive them out of these areas. Even the European Union's independent fact-finding mission blamed Georgia for the outbreak of the war.
Fair, I thought Abkhazia and South Ossetia had a Russian minority. Shows how much I need to brush up on the region.
by Atheris » Tue May 04, 2021 4:59 pm
New haven america wrote:Atheris wrote:1. And yet, it was an empire. Plus, monarchy =! nationalism.
2. Which is why it's invading Georgia and Ukraine's Russian-populated areas.
3. Which is why we fought a bitter 8 year war to overthrow them.
1. Every country with more than 1 ethnic group residing in it is technically an empire.
2. That's pretty much all for economic gain of the oligarchs. The slight majority of Crimeans now don't support Russia and think they should've stayed with Ukraine, because the local economy has tanked and the place has basically become the personal playground of 1 Russian billionaire.
3. If the UK just let The Colonies have a place in Parliament, that would've never happened to begin with.
by Immortan Khan » Tue May 04, 2021 5:01 pm
Atheris wrote:New haven america wrote:1. Every country with more than 1 ethnic group residing in it is technically an empire.
You mistake the definition of "empire;" an empire is, in what I believe to be the most apt definition, a country ruling over nations in an unequal balance of power to benefit the ruling nation. Not every multiethnic country is an empire; the UK and US aren't (anymore), China and Israel are.
by Atheris » Tue May 04, 2021 5:04 pm
Immortan Khan wrote:Atheris wrote:You mistake the definition of "empire;" an empire is, in what I believe to be the most apt definition, a country ruling over nations in an unequal balance of power to benefit the ruling nation. Not every multiethnic country is an empire; the UK and US aren't (anymore), China and Israel are.
The US is definitely an empire. There is an unequal balance between for example the indigenous nations and the US government.
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