by Hessingen » Sun Nov 14, 2010 12:31 pm
by Eireann Fae » Sun Nov 14, 2010 12:33 pm
by Dyakovo » Sun Nov 14, 2010 12:35 pm
by Supreme Marshal Petan » Sun Nov 14, 2010 12:36 pm
by Seperate Vermont » Sun Nov 14, 2010 12:36 pm
by The Nuclear Fist » Sun Nov 14, 2010 12:36 pm
And you touch the distant beaches with tales of brave Ulysses. . .Farnhamia wrote:You're getting a little too fond of the jerkoff motions.
by Supreme Marshal Petan » Sun Nov 14, 2010 12:38 pm
Seperate Vermont wrote:Johnson was just outsed because he mainly was unpopular, Grant won't get worst due to his civil war leadership, as all military leaders are commendable (As Jackson would concur.) And I'm not so idealistic as to say "GEORGE BUSH LOL !!!11!!"
I'd say Hoover, of those above.
by Pesda » Sun Nov 14, 2010 12:43 pm
by Miklesia » Sun Nov 14, 2010 12:46 pm
The Floridian Coast wrote:My chances, as an American, of being killed by an act of Islamic terrorism, or personally knowing someone who is, are very, very small. On the other hand, my chances as an American of having a Christian in power depriving me or others who I care for of their liberty are very, very high. I'm more concerned about radical Christianity than radical Islam, even though the second is much more violent.
by Chrobalta » Sun Nov 14, 2010 12:47 pm
by Supreme Marshal Petan » Sun Nov 14, 2010 12:47 pm
Hessingen wrote:Yes but then that would start flame wars between anti-bush loony left liberal tree huggers and anti-obama radical right tea party sarah palin worshippers.
by Arkinesia » Sun Nov 14, 2010 12:49 pm
Disappointment Panda wrote:Don't hope for a life without problems. There's no such thing. Instead, hope for a life full of good problems.
by Seperate Vermont » Sun Nov 14, 2010 12:50 pm
Supreme Marshal Petan wrote:Seperate Vermont wrote:Johnson was just outsed because he mainly was unpopular, Grant won't get worst due to his civil war leadership, as all military leaders are commendable (As Jackson would concur.) And I'm not so idealistic as to say "GEORGE BUSH LOL !!!11!!"
I'd say Hoover, of those above.
Johnson wasn't ousted (that is removed from office), he was impeached. And primarily because he stood in the way of radical Republicans in Congress. Grant was an honest guy, but he trusted his "friends" far too much, and they took advantage of that. Jackson was not a bad guy, but his Indian removal policy was pretty horrid.
Hoover is often viewed as this guy who was free-market, he actually was part of the progressive wing of the Republican party. He rose taxes, tariffs, and had the government become involved in the markets. Though he didn't go far enough, people thought he was doing too little and as a result he is viewed as one of history's worst presidents.
by Supreme Marshal Petan » Sun Nov 14, 2010 12:50 pm
Miklesia wrote:Woodrow Wilson. He resegregated government, was a vicious racist, instituted laws in which you could be arrested for complaining about WWI, and laid the foundations for the Vietnam war by refusing Vietnam the right to self-determination at Versailles (a principal he supposedly loved).
by Arkinesia » Sun Nov 14, 2010 12:52 pm
Supreme Marshal Petan wrote:Miklesia wrote:Woodrow Wilson. He resegregated government, was a vicious racist, instituted laws in which you could be arrested for complaining about WWI, and laid the foundations for the Vietnam war by refusing Vietnam the right to self-determination at Versailles (a principal he supposedly loved).
I wouldn't say he laid the foundations for the Vietnam war....Ho Chi Minh made several attempts after WW2 to have the US remain neutral, though the anti-communist fervor pushed us towards it. So I would blame Eisenhower for that. FDR, though he received the black vote, did nothing for blacks.
Disappointment Panda wrote:Don't hope for a life without problems. There's no such thing. Instead, hope for a life full of good problems.
by Miklesia » Sun Nov 14, 2010 12:52 pm
Supreme Marshal Petan wrote:Miklesia wrote:Woodrow Wilson. He resegregated government, was a vicious racist, instituted laws in which you could be arrested for complaining about WWI, and laid the foundations for the Vietnam war by refusing Vietnam the right to self-determination at Versailles (a principal he supposedly loved).
I wouldn't say he laid the foundations for the Vietnam war....Ho Chi Minh made several attempts after WW2 to have the US remain neutral, though the anti-communist fervor pushed us towards it. So I would blame Eisenhower for that. FDR, though he received the black vote, did nothing for blacks.
The Floridian Coast wrote:My chances, as an American, of being killed by an act of Islamic terrorism, or personally knowing someone who is, are very, very small. On the other hand, my chances as an American of having a Christian in power depriving me or others who I care for of their liberty are very, very high. I'm more concerned about radical Christianity than radical Islam, even though the second is much more violent.
by Supreme Marshal Petan » Sun Nov 14, 2010 12:56 pm
Arkinesia wrote:Supreme Marshal Petan wrote:I wouldn't say he laid the foundations for the Vietnam war....Ho Chi Minh made several attempts after WW2 to have the US remain neutral, though the anti-communist fervor pushed us towards it. So I would blame Eisenhower for that. FDR, though he received the black vote, did nothing for blacks.
He probably also caused the Great Depression and followed that brilliant move with extending it.
Fun fact: the Great Depression wasn't bad until 1934.
by The Nuclear Fist » Sun Nov 14, 2010 12:57 pm
And you touch the distant beaches with tales of brave Ulysses. . .Farnhamia wrote:You're getting a little too fond of the jerkoff motions.
by Supreme Marshal Petan » Sun Nov 14, 2010 12:57 pm
Miklesia wrote:Supreme Marshal Petan wrote:
I wouldn't say he laid the foundations for the Vietnam war....Ho Chi Minh made several attempts after WW2 to have the US remain neutral, though the anti-communist fervor pushed us towards it. So I would blame Eisenhower for that. FDR, though he received the black vote, did nothing for blacks.
That said, the whole affair could have been easily avoided if Vietnam had been granted independence then and there. And while FDR may have done nothing for blacks, Wilson actively harmed them.
by Supreme Marshal Petan » Sun Nov 14, 2010 12:58 pm
The Nuclear Fist wrote:Oh, Macarthy too. He's was a complete asshole. What with his anti-Socialist stance (to be frank, I dn't right care about that. But the fact you'd get seriously in trouble for being Socialist at the time is... not good). Then there was the Guatemalan coup he helped build up because he suspected the Guatemalan government of being 'Communist sympathisers'. Or the fact he helped out establish Banana Republics in Central and South America.
by Seperate Vermont » Sun Nov 14, 2010 1:06 pm
Arkinesia wrote:Supreme Marshal Petan wrote:I wouldn't say he laid the foundations for the Vietnam war....Ho Chi Minh made several attempts after WW2 to have the US remain neutral, though the anti-communist fervor pushed us towards it. So I would blame Eisenhower for that. FDR, though he received the black vote, did nothing for blacks.
He probably also caused the Great Depression and followed that brilliant move with extending it.
Fun fact: the Great Depression wasn't bad until 1934.
by Mivango » Sun Nov 14, 2010 1:09 pm
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