God Proven To Exist

[Dyakovo]

So I am a unique little snowflake who is going to burn in hell forever.

We all knew that anyways...

[Chou Ma Niao]

The problem seems to be you expect someone knowledgeable about God to supply you with an answer. The point is to interpret the answers yourself; no one will reach the same conclusion you would.

So I am a unique little snowflake who is going to burn in hell forever because I exercised my god given logic. Swell guy.

I don't see why not, if you misuse your logic. It's like if your grandpa gives you a BB gun to shoot crows, but you decide to shoot his favorite dog instead. You're gonna be in trouble, and it's not grandpa's or God's fault that you screwed up.

[Urstania]

I rather like this, its very poetic, and in a way it sounds right.

As for the question, i'm not sure. I think I would be kinda scared.

I wonder if anyone has ever tried some scientific experiment to find proof of a God or against a God. I do remember some guy that found a part of the brain that, when stimulated, gives you a sense of a "presence" or a "higher being looking over you".

Such a notion may seem intimidating at first, but its quite beautiful when you analyze it. We are all just components of a larger intelligence, just like our brain is composed of billions of small cells, neurons and other microscopic lifeforms we barely give thought too.

That being said, nothing is ever lost in the great expanse of multiversal realities. Energy is never created or destroyed, just recycled into new forms, new shapes, new styles.

God is not sitting up on some metaphorical cloud judging us like a primitive King would judge his peons. Truth is we are "God" as the label goes, although such a name can be deceiving in an accurate picture of what "It", The Universal Mind is.

Basically, God is not independent of us. We are all part of the One, part of Eternity, part of the Whole.

As for the comment about a certain part of your brain being stimulated to give a sense of higher presence, I am curious to know more. I do know certain psychoactive substances (such as LSD) can help unlock those suppressed regions that help us feel united with the Whole.

Meditation, focusing on opening your third eye/minds eye/pineal gland, what ever you want to call it. Your third eye is the spiritual gate of your body.
There are 7 main energy points in your body
Root Chakra is located at the base of the spine
Sacrel Chakra is located around the genital area
Navel Chakra located around the belly button
Heart Chakra located in the center of your chest
Throat Chakra located in your throat
Third Eye Chakra located in the center of your forehead in the center of your brain
Crown Chakra is located just above the head. All represent your well being pysical, mental, spiritual, emotional etc.

Meditating on them can help you feel connected to the oneness of everything.

I believe in that Panthiestic view that the Universe is a Consciousness, aware of its own existence and reality just like us little microscopic microbes living inside it are aware of our own existence and reality. We are just tiny parts of the greater whole. I also believe in karma.
If the Earth is another being aware of its own existence and reality then it makes sense that I would want to do good deeds and contribute to the health and wellbeing to the being I am apart of, generating good karma (you body doesnt purge good bacteria/cells the immune system only purges regressive harmful cells and I have made a decision not to be a harmful being on this planetary being)

[Innsmothe]

The Christian god will be killed like any other who dares to claim a monopoly on Faith.

[Old Erisia]

So I am a unique little snowflake who is going to burn in hell forever because I exercised my god given logic. Swell guy.

I don't see why not, if you misuse your logic. It's like if your grandpa gives you a BB gun to shoot crows, but you decide to shoot his favorite dog instead. You're gonna be in trouble, and it's not grandpa's or God's fault that you screwed up.

No its not. Not all all. Granmpa didn't make me out of nothing for shits and giggles, hide his physical presence from me for my whole life, and tell my neighbor to tell me to shoot crows with the bb gun he gave me, and everyone else. I also don't burn in hell for eternity for not shooting crows.

(and why would grandpa give me a bb gun to kill birds anyway?!)

[Dyakovo]

I don't see why not, if you misuse your logic. It's like if your grandpa gives you a BB gun to shoot crows, but you decide to shoot his favorite dog instead. You're gonna be in trouble, and it's not grandpa's or God's fault that you screwed up.

No its not. Not all all. Granmpa didn't make me out of nothing for shits and giggles, hide his physical presence from me for my whole life, and tell my neighbor to tell me to shoot crows with the bb gun he gave me, and everyone else. I also don't burn in hell for eternity for not shooting crows.

(and why would grandpa give me a bb gun to kill birds anyway?!)

Because he wants you to have a hard time doing it? Or just wants you to do a crappy job?

[Sierra Lobo]

The world's suffering is not God's choice, it is/was man's choice.... the ultimate choice was for man to choose God or no,t that choice (free will) also comes with everything in it - that man can do what he wants or not, and of course with free will comes responsibility. If he shows himself completely, is it not removing the other option? rather than follow me or reject me.... it will only be me and you wont have a choice but follow me. The angels in heaven was not even given that choice, that gift of free will was given to man.

BUt why make the angels and man in the first place?!?! The argument is going in circles! Why is free will such a gift? Why would he rather not have blind obedience? Why did he flood the earth once to get rid of the cruelest parts of humanity but hasn't again? Why did he create Hell if not to scare people into loving him? How can any of this not be some sick joke? I have not been saying "he should show himself" in my posts, I'm saying that it would be irrelevant. How can he claim to love us unconditionally if the whole point was that some of us were going to be cast into the pit? His love is conditional on us disregarding the logic that he gave us to blindly trust in his existence. I usually don't get into religious debates like this on these forums, but I have to say that the idea of the Christian god being real is horrifying and not because of the acts of humanity. Its horrifying because he is needy to an insane degree and got tired of being loved unconditionally by the first beings he created out of boredom (which doesn't make sense since Lucifer rebelled) so he made a new kind of being fully knowing he was going to sentence a good part of them to eternal torment. He gets his kicks hoping people will love him, but has no forgiveness for those that would use the gifts he gave them to not take a stand and believe in him fully. I don't think he should be venerated merely because he created us. If he is real I wish he hadn't bothered, because being used for some sort of game for self serving affection seems wrong, and contradictory to his own idea of what is right.

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The short answer to the question “why did God create us?” is “for His pleasure.” Revelation 4:11 says, “You are worthy, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, for you created all things, and by your will they were created and have their being.” Colossians 1:16 reiterates the point: “All things were created by him and for him.” Being created for God’s pleasure does not mean humanity was made to entertain God or provide Him with amusement. God is a creative Being, and it gives Him pleasure to create. God is a personal Being, and it gives Him pleasure to have other beings He can have a genuine relationship with.

As for hell ....it is actually a place with the complete and eternal separation from God. Heaven is the complete union with god. This is of course your choice, to be one with god or not. The point here is that yes hell exist, but most people simplify it as an act of punishment ... but the whole concept of hell is that, its a place where God do not even exists. He has completely removed himself from that place. He put those who do not want him there. Most people think its a place of fire - but it is not, it is just a place of complete separation, the fires of hell is the allegory of the souls in that place who have a burning yearning to be one with his creator but is eternally damned to be separate from him by again that souls choice to completely reject God. The punishment is God's absence.
A soul who was created from God yearns to be with god, hell completely prevents that, in that it is viewed as punishment. Though it was the souls choice in the first place to reject god. Again we go back to free will. It is not that absurd concept of having imps pushing pineapples on hitler's ass.

[Atlantis Astrum]

I think at this time of history, our "Modern" society is unbalanced and detrimental to its host Gaia. Yes, in a sense we are an infection that has lost its intrinsic connection with nature, becoming a cancer that is disturbing our delicate ecosystems. On our current pace, if the entire world were consuming as much as America, we would need something akin to 3 planets to sustain us. This shows a startling immaturity as a species, but it is not "evil" or black and white as many would like to paint. Afterall, would we label a naive child in first grade "evil" for not knowing a particular lesson or not sharing with his fellow classmates?

The beauty of all this is that we are constantly evolving, growing, and learning. We are not in a static state, but constantly changing. Such is the nature of impermanence in our ever-evolving universe. One day, as a species, we will graduate "first grade" and move to a higher, more advanced grade with its own valuable lessons. We will stop our destructive habits and learn to co-exist in harmony with our Gaia, among others that we will colonize in the vast cosmos.

Then we wouldn't be a harmful virus, but a beneficial lifeform that enriches world after world.

Who says that life itself isn't a virus?

I doubt that "life" is a virus in the negative sense. I believe nature would have purged "life" long ago if this were the case, but ironically nature is composed of life. Look outside of our own species, nature (animals and plants) life in a intricate, inter-connected system that supports each other. Any negative/detrimental components are purged out by selection, while the positive ones remain to evolve.

Meditation, focusing on opening your third eye/minds eye/pineal gland, what ever you want to call it. Your third eye is the spiritual gate of your body.
There are 7 main energy points in your body
Root Chakra is located at the base of the spine
Sacrel Chakra is located around the genital area
Navel Chakra located around the belly button
Heart Chakra located in the center of your chest
Throat Chakra located in your throat
Third Eye Chakra located in the center of your forehead in the center of your brain
Crown Chakra is located just above the head. All represent your well being pysical, mental, spiritual, emotional etc.

Meditating on them can help you feel connected to the oneness of everything.

I believe in that Panthiestic view that the Universe is a Consciousness, aware of its own existence and reality just like us little microscopic microbes living inside it are aware of our own existence and reality. We are just tiny parts of the greater whole. I also believe in karma.
If the Earth is another being aware of its own existence and reality then it makes sense that I would want to do good deeds and contribute to the health and wellbeing to the being I am apart of, generating good karma (you body doesnt purge good bacteria/cells the immune system only purges regressive harmful cells and I have made a decision not to be a harmful being on this planetary being)

That information is valuable because we in fact multi-layered organisms that exist in other dimensions simultaneously with this dense "physical" one. I to believe in the "Pantheistic" view of the Universe that we are all Consciousness, fractalized in infinite degrees. We are evolving to a point where we will become "aware" of the greater Universal Consciousness, we will realize God does exist.

Not as a separate, distant being spouting judgment as certain religious institutions would like you to believe. God is within us, the universe and everything animate and inanimate. We are God/Universal Intelligence/The All (don't be deceived by man-made labels).

Pertaining to our species as a virus, I think time will show that the "bad" harmful components will be purged from this Gaia (Earth) and the beneficial ones will remain. Karma plays a part in this as well.

[Chou Ma Niao]

I don't see why not, if you misuse your logic. It's like if your grandpa gives you a BB gun to shoot crows, but you decide to shoot his favorite dog instead. You're gonna be in trouble, and it's not grandpa's or God's fault that you screwed up.

No its not. Not all all. Granmpa didn't make me out of nothing for shits and giggles, hide his physical presence from me for my whole life, and tell my neighbor to tell me to shoot crows with the bb gun he gave me, and everyone else. I also don't burn in hell for eternity for not shooting crows.

(and why would grandpa give me a bb gun to kill birds anyway?!)

Your ass would probably burn for an eternity after the whupping he gives you for shooting his dog God never had a physical ( and by physical I mean human) appearance anywhere in the Bible. Instead, he sent his son to reach out to humanity. God would probably give you bonus heaven points for shooting crows

Everyone know grandpa hates crows.

[Greater Tezdrian]

Depends on which god or which pantheon. If we're talking about Yahweh, then I'd be terrified to be honest.

^This^

[South Lorenya]

The Christian god will be killed like any other who dares to claim a monopoly on Faith.

How do you know he's not already dead?

[Innsmothe]

The Christian god will be killed like any other who dares to claim a monopoly on Faith.

How do you know he's not already dead?

It is my personal opinion that he died as in the bible and has since rotted away, but it is his legend that is yet to die!

[Oterro]

Well, it depends I guess.
If it's the God I believe in/hope exists, then yes.

But if it's some God that actually expects me to actually do half the shit it says in the bible, hells to the no.

[Kington Langley]

As an Atheist I would be happier because I believe nothing happens after you die but I don't like it

I would love to spend the rest of eternity in heaven playing call of duty

[Socialist Usonia]

Depends on which god or which pantheon. If we're talking about Yahweh, then I'd be terrified to be honest.

^This^

^Double this^

[Innsmothe]

^This^

^Double this^

Wimps, you should join me in a deicide.

[Johz]

I rather like this, its very poetic, and in a way it sounds right.

As for the question, i'm not sure. I think I would be kinda scared.

I wonder if anyone has ever tried some scientific experiment to find proof of a God or against a God. I do remember some guy that found a part of the brain that, when stimulated, gives you a sense of a "presence" or a "higher being looking over you".

Such a notion may seem intimidating at first, but its quite beautiful when you analyze it. We are all just components of a larger intelligence, just like our brain is composed of billions of small cells, neurons and other microscopic lifeforms we barely give thought too.

That being said, nothing is ever lost in the great expanse of multiversal realities. Energy is never created or destroyed, just recycled into new forms, new shapes, new styles.

God is not sitting up on some metaphorical cloud judging us like a primitive King would judge his peons. Truth is we are "God" as the label goes, although such a name can be deceiving in an accurate picture of what "It", The Universal Mind is.

Basically, God is not independent of us. We are all part of the One, part of Eternity, part of the Whole.

As for the comment about a certain part of your brain being stimulated to give a sense of higher presence, I am curious to know more. I do know certain psychoactive substances (such as LSD) can help unlock those suppressed regions that help us feel united with the Whole.

And you have a source/proof of this argument? It sounds to me like New Age-y pseudo-science. Hive minds? Eternity? Recycling? No loss of energy? Are you sure we won't just be sitting in a big mass of entropy by the end of it?

[Hresejnen]

^This^

^Double this^

^Triple this^

Although, I think if the gods I believe in were proven to exist in a wholly theistic sense, I dunno either...what if they were radically different from how I'd been led to believe they were? Maybe Thor isn't actually a god of protection and aid for the entire human race and is more like...I dunno, maybe the drunken, destructive, over-sexed brute he's shown to be in Neil Gaiman's Sandman? That's a bit of a hyperbole, but no piece of lore or any holy text is a hundred percent clear. I think a lot of theists, should their deity be proven to exist and thus more strongly identified, might actually move away from their respective religion.

Also, @ Astrum, I was nodding until you mentioned LSD. Stop mixing logical beliefs with retarded habits and pseudoscience.

[Unhealthy2]

If it was a god that gave away a good afterlife, then of course I'd be happier. But so what? I'd also be happier if I had millions of dollars. That doesn't even remotely suggest that it's true. In fact, if anything, the nicer something sounds, the less likely it tends to be, at least in a lot of cases.

[Oterro]

As an Atheist I would be happier because I believe nothing happens after you die but I don't like it

I would love to spend the rest of eternity in heaven playing call of duty

That sounds more like hell to me.

Anyway, who says you can get into heaven? Thou be a sinner, and thou rejecteth my name, therefore thou shalt burn in the salty fire of hell for all eternity, etc.

Also, Jesus camps.

[Greed and Death]

OF course God exists, I met him on the Bus once he gave me a Pretzel.
Told me the meaning of life too.

[Unhealthy2]

Told me the meaning of life too.

I bet it's something really trivial and not profound at all, right?

[Oterro]

Told me the meaning of life too.

I bet it's something really trivial and not profound at all, right?

I know the meaning of life it doesn't help me a bit!

[Old Erisia]

*snip*

I wasn't talking about humanity... I was talking about life itself. If the natural state of the universe seems to be lifeless, but has its own structure and connectedness, couldn't it still be "god" in the sense you are proposing. A connectedness that we don't fully understand as we are life. We have "invaded" a cell and are growing inside it. This doesn't mean we're necessarily harmful, but we can be.

@seirra lobo: Yes. "For his pleasure". Wonderful. As to Hell, a separation from God doesn't seem like all that bad a consequence and one i would gladly except given the circumstances. What he has done I believe is wrong (by his own principles) and I will not willingly reward him with my love just because he created me and threatens to deny me his. Lucifer seems to get along.

@Chou Ma Niao: out of all I said, you focus on the fact I was still using your grandpa analogy. I don't even know what to say, except that I find "ass-whuppins" mildly erotic.

[Neo ORB]

personally, if "God", did get proven to be true, Exist...ect... i don't think life would change all to much, in my persopective, i'd proable be like this.

"Oh, gods real.... o kay, already knew that, and i care why?, i won't meet him until i'm dead really so ya what ever, thanks for the interesting talk and the wasted twenty seconds of my life... god be with you."

ya likely on those lines, peace, answered my opinion on a whim.