by Catsfern » Fri May 24, 2019 10:46 am
by Highever » Fri May 24, 2019 11:01 am
Jolthig wrote:Use Soresu and not Juyo.
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by Catsfern » Fri May 24, 2019 11:15 am
by Nanatsu no Tsuki » Fri May 24, 2019 11:18 am
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by Highever » Fri May 24, 2019 11:20 am
Catsfern wrote:And I get annoyed when a nation thinks it’s a hot shot because it wrote a cool factbook but doesn’t have the stats to back it up there are some genuinely really good factbooks out there and a lot of nations with the stats to match but there are also a good fee that don’t.
Jolthig wrote:Use Soresu and not Juyo.
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by Catsfern » Fri May 24, 2019 11:21 am
by Catsfern » Fri May 24, 2019 11:26 am
Highever wrote:Catsfern wrote:And I get annoyed when a nation thinks it’s a hot shot because it wrote a cool factbook but doesn’t have the stats to back it up there are some genuinely really good factbooks out there and a lot of nations with the stats to match but there are also a good fee that don’t.
I mean....yeah, if someone put alot of work in building their nation and writing fact books for it and you continually refuse to acknowledge them they're probably going to get fed up after awhile. If a person uses NS stats, great. If a person uses facebooks, great. Depends on the person.
NS stats dont have to match fsctbooks thats.....kind of the whole point of them.
by Highever » Fri May 24, 2019 11:33 am
Catsfern wrote:Highever wrote:I mean....yeah, if someone put alot of work in building their nation and writing fact books for it and you continually refuse to acknowledge them they're probably going to get fed up after awhile. If a person uses NS stats, great. If a person uses facebooks, great. Depends on the person.
NS stats dont have to match fsctbooks thats.....kind of the whole point of them.
I don’t always expect an exact match but a dictatorship claiming to be a democracy in its factbook isn’t gonna fly with me
Jolthig wrote:Use Soresu and not Juyo.
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by Kragholm Free States » Fri May 24, 2019 11:40 am
Catsfern wrote:And I get annoyed when a nation thinks it’s a hot shot because it wrote a cool factbook but doesn’t have the stats to back it up there are some genuinely really good factbooks out there and a lot of nations with the stats to match but there are also a good fee that don’t.
by Highever » Fri May 24, 2019 11:46 am
Kragholm Free States wrote:Catsfern wrote:And I get annoyed when a nation thinks it’s a hot shot because it wrote a cool factbook but doesn’t have the stats to back it up there are some genuinely really good factbooks out there and a lot of nations with the stats to match but there are also a good fee that don’t.
See, that only really works if every nation is entirely human, roughly modern both technologically and culturally, and exists on a single earth-like planet with a fairly narrow and recognisable range of political ideologies and systems and a plethora of groups and organisations that directly parallel real-world entities. Really, I'd say a minority of nations tick every single one of those boxes. That's just the limitations of issues - they're constructed around a reasonable average, but they can't detect and account for abstract variance in nations, and consequently a lot of them will be wholly inapplicable to a lot of nations. To then insist on using the results of those inapplicable issues despite being explicitly asked by the nations in question to instead use the factbooks that they have actually put a lot of effort into is frankly disrespectful.
Jolthig wrote:Use Soresu and not Juyo.
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by Catsfern » Fri May 24, 2019 11:47 am
Kragholm Free States wrote:Catsfern wrote:And I get annoyed when a nation thinks it’s a hot shot because it wrote a cool factbook but doesn’t have the stats to back it up there are some genuinely really good factbooks out there and a lot of nations with the stats to match but there are also a good fee that don’t.
See, that only really works if every nation is entirely human, roughly modern both technologically and culturally, and exists on a single earth-like planet with a fairly narrow and recognisable range of political ideologies and systems and a plethora of groups and organisations that directly parallel real-world entities. Really, I'd say a minority of nations tick every single one of those boxes. That's just the limitations of issues - they're constructed around a reasonable average, but they can't detect and account for abstract variance in nations, and consequently a lot of them will be wholly inapplicable to a lot of nations. To then insist on using the results of those inapplicable issues despite being explicitly asked by the nations in question to instead use the factbooks that they have actually put a lot of effort into is frankly disrespectful.
by Highever » Fri May 24, 2019 11:48 am
Catsfern wrote:Kragholm Free States wrote:
See, that only really works if every nation is entirely human, roughly modern both technologically and culturally, and exists on a single earth-like planet with a fairly narrow and recognisable range of political ideologies and systems and a plethora of groups and organisations that directly parallel real-world entities. Really, I'd say a minority of nations tick every single one of those boxes. That's just the limitations of issues - they're constructed around a reasonable average, but they can't detect and account for abstract variance in nations, and consequently a lot of them will be wholly inapplicable to a lot of nations. To then insist on using the results of those inapplicable issues despite being explicitly asked by the nations in question to instead use the factbooks that they have actually put a lot of effort into is frankly disrespectful.
I’ve seen a lot of extra species nations that have matching stats what most of them do is in a factbook just specify what portion of their population stat is that additional species.
Jolthig wrote:Use Soresu and not Juyo.
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by Catsfern » Fri May 24, 2019 12:07 pm
by Kragholm Free States » Fri May 24, 2019 12:09 pm
Catsfern wrote:If you read what I said above then you know that I don’t always expect an exact match but if it’s at least close that’s what I expect; I only refuse factbook information if there’s a glaring discrepancy between stats and factbook
by Valentine Z » Fri May 24, 2019 12:12 pm
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Don’t make too much out of it. F7 is for games. If these nations get too worked up, just jump to the next. Don’t take it too seriously, even if some do. It’s a game after all.
Catsfern wrote:And I get annoyed when a nation thinks it’s a hot shot because it wrote a cool factbook but doesn’t have the stats to back it up there are some genuinely really good factbooks out there and a lot of nations with the stats to match but there are also a good fee that don’t.
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by Highever » Fri May 24, 2019 12:18 pm
Catsfern wrote:If you read what I said above then you know that I don’t always expect an exact match but if it’s at least close that’s what I expect; I only refuse factbook information if there’s a glaring discrepancy between stats and factbook
Jolthig wrote:Use Soresu and not Juyo.
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by Hammer Britannia » Fri May 24, 2019 12:21 pm
by Nanatsu no Tsuki » Fri May 24, 2019 12:23 pm
Valentine Z wrote:Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Don’t make too much out of it. F7 is for games. If these nations get too worked up, just jump to the next. Don’t take it too seriously, even if some do. It’s a game after all.
I will admit that sometimes, I do take it a little too seriously on very rare occasions. When that happens, I will just take a breather and move on to the next thread.Catsfern wrote:And I get annoyed when a nation thinks it’s a hot shot because it wrote a cool factbook but doesn’t have the stats to back it up there are some genuinely really good factbooks out there and a lot of nations with the stats to match but there are also a good fee that don’t.
Problem begins when you are ignoring the nation's wishes and hamming the NS Stats on people that don't want them.
It's a F7 game, sure, and you can move on if you are not satisfied. With that said, it is not simply because of the fact that you ignored the factbooks, or did something that might sound trivial to an outsider. The thing is, there are factbooks and world development that has been done quite impressively well, and they have taken the time to write it down during their free time, after all.
You have to realise that people don't act and think the way you do, and they are not inherently wrong for that. Some nations (like me) uses NS Stats religiously and I love my Top 1% badges, but when I look at other nations, unless stated otherwise, I will always look at their factbooks and compliment on how well and how far they have written. It's basic self-respect, and there is no wrong or right way to play the game.
It's not wrong to use NS Stats all the time. It's not wrong to use factbooks all the time. It's only right that you respect each player and fulfill their wishes if they don't use the stats, or otherwise.
In short, some nations use NS Stats, some don't. It's on you to respect them, not for you to force it on them the way you want it to.
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by Valentine Z » Fri May 24, 2019 12:25 pm
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:It’s not that I don’t understand your take. It’s just that this, with development and all, is, in the end, a game. Getting too worked up about it is, in the end, too much expenditure of energy. Some players will consider your effort, some won’t. Some will demand X, others Y. Exhibit A) look at the OP of this thread and his stance.
Don’t forget you’re dealing with a game in F7. Because that’s what F7 is for. Games and banter. Getting all worked up there is really non-sensical.
If you were talking about the RP aspects of NS, however, I can’t comment.
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by Hammer Britannia » Fri May 24, 2019 12:25 pm
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Valentine Z wrote:
I will admit that sometimes, I do take it a little too seriously on very rare occasions. When that happens, I will just take a breather and move on to the next thread.
Problem begins when you are ignoring the nation's wishes and hamming the NS Stats on people that don't want them.
It's a F7 game, sure, and you can move on if you are not satisfied. With that said, it is not simply because of the fact that you ignored the factbooks, or did something that might sound trivial to an outsider. The thing is, there are factbooks and world development that has been done quite impressively well, and they have taken the time to write it down during their free time, after all.
You have to realise that people don't act and think the way you do, and they are not inherently wrong for that. Some nations (like me) uses NS Stats religiously and I love my Top 1% badges, but when I look at other nations, unless stated otherwise, I will always look at their factbooks and compliment on how well and how far they have written. It's basic self-respect, and there is no wrong or right way to play the game.
It's not wrong to use NS Stats all the time. It's not wrong to use factbooks all the time. It's only right that you respect each player and fulfill their wishes if they don't use the stats, or otherwise.
In short, some nations use NS Stats, some don't. It's on you to respect them, not for you to force it on them the way you want it to.
It’s not that I don’t understand your take. It’s just that this, with development and all, is, in the end, a game. Getting too worked up about it is, in the end, too much expenditure of energy. Some players will consider your effort, some won’t. Some will demand X, others Y. Exhibit A) look at the OP of this thread and his stance.
Don’t forget you’re dealing with a game in F7. Because that’s what F7 is for. Games and banter. Getting all worked up there is really non-sensical.
If you were talking about the RP aspects of NS, however, I can’t comment.
by Nanatsu no Tsuki » Fri May 24, 2019 12:31 pm
Hammer Britannia wrote:Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
It’s not that I don’t understand your take. It’s just that this, with development and all, is, in the end, a game. Getting too worked up about it is, in the end, too much expenditure of energy. Some players will consider your effort, some won’t. Some will demand X, others Y. Exhibit A) look at the OP of this thread and his stance.
Don’t forget you’re dealing with a game in F7. Because that’s what F7 is for. Games and banter. Getting all worked up there is really non-sensical.
If you were talking about the RP aspects of NS, however, I can’t comment.
You don't understand, Val is literally a crack addict for Forum 7 RPs.
This is like watering down crack for him.
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by Highever » Fri May 24, 2019 12:33 pm
Jolthig wrote:Use Soresu and not Juyo.
Charlie Chaplin wrote:Nothing is permanent in this wicked world, not even our troubles.
by Nanatsu no Tsuki » Fri May 24, 2019 12:35 pm
Highever wrote:The main problem is that nations vary so massively and oftentimes do not fit within the confines addressed by issues. For example, if I decided to make this an RP nation, how would that work? It is a relatively small fiefdom that takes place in a high medeival fantasy setting. How would that work with NS Stats?
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by Valentine Z » Fri May 24, 2019 12:42 pm
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Highever wrote:The main problem is that nations vary so massively and oftentimes do not fit within the confines addressed by issues. For example, if I decided to make this an RP nation, how would that work? It is a relatively small fiefdom that takes place in a high medeival fantasy setting. How would that work with NS Stats?
Imagine mine. A nation of cats.
There’s a reason why I haven’t RPed in over a decade.
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