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Which Book on Leftist Ideology is Your Preferred Book?

The Communist Manifesto (Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels)
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18%
The Conquest of Bread (Peter Kropotkin)
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19%
Das Kapital (Karl Marx)
21
16%
What is Property? (Pierre-Joseph Proudhon)
2
2%
Guerilla Warfare (Che Guevara)
8
6%
Mutual Aid (Peter Kropotkin)
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2%
Profit Over People (Noam Chomsky)
4
3%
The Ego and Its Own (Max Stirner)
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6%
Debt: The First 5,000 Years (David Graeber)
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4%
Other (Please Explain)
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu May 23, 2019 5:37 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:The entire debate is dumb and hinges on some pretty dodgy morality on the part of those criticizing loli.

Firstly you've got the fact that it's fictional and nobody is being harmed.
Secondly you've got the fact that, as has already been noted, often the character is not a child.

And a bunch of other stuff.

The problem with pedophilia is the disparity in the mind. Which is more objectionable, an 8 year old magicked into a 20 year olds body and then getting fucked, or a 20 year old into a 8 year olds body? If you answered the second one, there is something wrong with you, but that appears to be the ethical framework being utilized here. I.E, the objection is based around it being physically unattractive and it's bad if you find it physically attractive.

No. That's not the problem. It's not even A Problem. It's certainly not helpful to the discussion either, and is out of step with our other understanding of sex, sexuality, and consent. Basically all the complaints revolve around having certain prefernces being "Immoral.".

A feeling cannot be immoral.

Okay, so you find it gross. Get a grip? That's literally the same ethical framework people use to shut down gay sex on tv and so on. You should not be attacking people for their sexuality and making them feel bad for it, that's bad behavior.

You may as well be wailing about how people who legit masturbate to two girls one cup are ethically repugnant and them pretending its about public health concerns to cover up what you're actually doing.

Guess what. This is also why being a Furry is okay, and fucking animals isn't. I'd expect you to know that Liriena, but I guess not.

Let's say it's loli. It's even child loli. The anime boobs and all. The most extreme, explicit case you can think of.
It's still not a problem, because there is no actual victim here.

Those are good points, but if you are attracted to looking at "lolis" specifically there's no getting around the fact that that is pretty pedophilic.


*shrug*
Not particularly. If you're attracted on sight then yes, but a significant part of attraction is mannerism and personality based. In this case, especially as you've dumped a non-child personality in there, it's entirely possible to find a character attractive without being a pedophile.

If you dumped a certain personality type into a spider and I spent time with them the thought of trying to figure out how to fuck it would probably cross my mind, but i'm not attracted to spiders.
Honestly, have you seen Bleach?

People were talking about wanting to fuck that cat even before it turned into an adult hot as fuck woman. That was the joke the writers pulled.

As a general rule if they're attracted on sight, or attracted to childlike personality traits, that's the red flag.

Think up a fictional character who you simply find magnetising and alluring. Now dump that personality in the loli body, and keep the mannerisms. Is It attractive? You might even find it less attractive, but it'll probably still be attractive to some extent.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Thu May 23, 2019 5:39 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Those are good points, but if you are attracted to looking at "lolis" specifically there's no getting around the fact that that is pretty pedophilic.


*shrug*
Not particularly. If you're attracted on sight then yes, but a significant part of attraction is mannerism and personality based. In this case, especially as you've dumped a non-child personality in there, it's entirely possible to find a character attractive without being a pedophile.

If you dumped a certain personality type into a spider and I spent time with them the thought of trying to figure out how to fuck it would probably cross my mind, but i'm not attracted to spiders.

As a general rule if they're attracted on sight, or attracted to childlike personality traits, that's the red flag.

I mean, if you're attracted to lolis along with adult anime girls then that's okay, it's just if you specifically prefer lolis that red flags are raised, in my opinion.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu May 23, 2019 5:41 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
*shrug*
Not particularly. If you're attracted on sight then yes, but a significant part of attraction is mannerism and personality based. In this case, especially as you've dumped a non-child personality in there, it's entirely possible to find a character attractive without being a pedophile.

If you dumped a certain personality type into a spider and I spent time with them the thought of trying to figure out how to fuck it would probably cross my mind, but i'm not attracted to spiders.

As a general rule if they're attracted on sight, or attracted to childlike personality traits, that's the red flag.

I mean, if you're attracted to lolis along with adult anime girls then that's okay, it's just if you specifically prefer lolis that red flags are raised, in my opinion.


I'm not denying there's red flags to be had here, i'm objecting to the totalizing narrative being advanced on the issue, as well as the general "anime boobs" thing feminists are pushing out of a hatred for male sexuality being different from female sexuality and refusing to accept that men and women are different, and women are not more ethical and the default men should aspire to with any differences being down to the evil patriarchy.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu May 23, 2019 5:48 am

Here's an example of some traits of a character and things one loli character did in the show "The Abyss"

1. SCIENCE! HaAhAHahaAHahaHAHahaAhAHAhahaAHHAahAHah. (Mad scientist girl.).
2. Let's go on an adventure into that fucking Cthulhu pit. Why? To see what's in it.
3. Coldly decides to bait and switch a horrible monster into eating her classmates so she can get away with no signs of trauma.
4. Threatens people with a knife.
5. We have to keep going further into the pit, and if you don't want to, that's a problem for all of us. For us. For me. Keep. Walking.
6. Sacrifices some more classmates
7. Oh yeah I was born in the Cthulhu pit but i'm sure it's fine.
8. HMM. SCIENCE.
9. Let's euthanize some people.
10. Oh god, my arm, it is poisoned. It'll need to be cut off. No, no, don't do it at the joint. I know that's easier, but hear me out. If I keep the joint, i'll have more articulation in the arm afterward, so what I need you to do, is break my arm, then saw it off through the break.
11. You've been experimenting on children? Neat! What did you find out? Can I see your data set?

These are not childlike qualities.

Another example, arguably, is Yuno Gasai. Who is basically just Yandere Ur Example, which some men find attractive because the notion of a girl psychotically into you appeals to them.

Often, the loli archetype or underage girl characters are utilized because it's a way for a character to get away with some really fucked up shit and still remain sympathetic. Some people find evil alluring in a "Bad girls" sort of way, similar to "Bad boys".

When deciding if loli is pedophilic, you should probably ask yourself:
does the person in question find the personality type of actual children attractive.
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Postby Crysuko » Thu May 23, 2019 6:04 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:Here's an example of some traits of a character and things one loli character did in the show "The Abyss"

1. SCIENCE! HaAhAHahaAHahaHAHahaAhAHAhahaAHHAahAHah. (Mad scientist girl.).
2. Let's go on an adventure into that fucking Cthulhu pit. Why? To see what's in it.
3. Coldly decides to bait and switch a horrible monster into eating her classmates so she can get away with no signs of trauma.
4. Threatens people with a knife.
5. We have to keep going further into the pit, and if you don't want to, that's a problem for all of us. For us. For me. Keep. Walking.
6. Sacrifices some more classmates
7. Oh yeah I was born in the Cthulhu pit but i'm sure it's fine.
8. HMM. SCIENCE.
9. Let's euthanize some people.
10. Oh god, my arm, it is poisoned. It'll need to be cut off. No, no, don't do it at the joint. I know that's easier, but hear me out. If I keep the joint, i'll have more articulation in the arm afterward, so what I need you to do, is break my arm, then saw it off through the break.
11. You've been experimenting on children? Neat! What did you find out? Can I see your data set?

These are not childlike qualities.

Another example, arguably, is Yuno Gasai. Who is basically just Yandere Ur Example, which some men find attractive because the notion of a girl psychotically into you appeals to them.

Often, the loli archetype or underage girl characters are utilized because it's a way for a character to get away with some really fucked up shit and still remain sympathetic. Some people find evil alluring in a "Bad girls" sort of way, similar to "Bad boys".

When deciding if loli is pedophilic, you should probably ask yourself:
does the person in question find the personality type of actual children attractive.

as any pedo who's been put behind bars will tell you, "but she consented" or "but she was more mature" isn't a defence any jury will take seriously.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu May 23, 2019 6:17 am

Crysuko wrote:as any pedo who's been put behind bars will tell you, "but she consented" or "but she was more mature" isn't a defence any jury will take seriously.


In those cases, there is:

1. An Actual child involved
and
2. an Actual childs personality and mind involved

So it doesn't exactly count. Do you think a 20 year olds mind put into a childs body is capable of consent? Do you think an 8 year olds mind put into an adult body can consent?
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Thu May 23, 2019 6:20 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:I mean, if you're attracted to lolis along with adult anime girls then that's okay, it's just if you specifically prefer lolis that red flags are raised, in my opinion.


I'm not denying there's red flags to be had here, i'm objecting to the totalizing narrative being advanced on the issue, as well as the general "anime boobs" thing feminists are pushing out of a hatred for male sexuality being different from female sexuality and refusing to accept that men and women are different, and women are not more ethical and the default men should aspire to with any differences being down to the evil patriarchy.

Yeah, prohibiting lolis is a bit of a stretch in my opinion, but saying that it's a result of some sort of misandry seems like a reach.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu May 23, 2019 6:26 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
I'm not denying there's red flags to be had here, i'm objecting to the totalizing narrative being advanced on the issue, as well as the general "anime boobs" thing feminists are pushing out of a hatred for male sexuality being different from female sexuality and refusing to accept that men and women are different, and women are not more ethical and the default men should aspire to with any differences being down to the evil patriarchy.

Yeah, prohibiting lolis is a bit of a stretch in my opinion, but saying that it's a result of some sort of misandry seems like a reach.


That's more about the anime boobs thing than the loli thing. Because there you've got the visual element of mens sexuality being demonized because it is different to womens sexuality.
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Postby Asherahan » Thu May 23, 2019 6:27 am

I have read some Loli hentai some are good some are so bad that I question my will to live.

To begin with I mostly read Milf Netorare so the loli thing is not my cup of tea.

Also on the subject of should loli be legal? Well its art and nobody real is getting hurt. And no I do not think it is some gateway drug into becoming a pedo.
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Postby North German Realm » Thu May 23, 2019 6:39 am

Honestly, while I view lolicons are distasteful at best (and a few expletives I dare not mention on this site at worst), it's in reality just fucking irrelevant for the larger picture. The myth that "pedophilic or pedophile-looking media will help the pedophiles not act on their fucking urges" is just a myth, but honestly? Don't we have bigger fish to fry at this point?
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Postby Torrocca » Thu May 23, 2019 7:18 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:The entire debate is dumb and hinges on some pretty dodgy morality on the part of those criticizing loli.


I'm gonna stop you right there, chief.

First and fore-fucking-most, there's literally nothing "dodgy" about criticizing the depiction of kids being sexualized and/or literally fucked, animated or not. Secondly, there's the fact of the matter that both the normalization of pedophilia by accepting loli and the concept of supply and demand exist, which means that A) pedophiles who might not previously go after children because of societal norms might very well be emboldened to actually fucking do it if society allows pedophilic media to be consumed in the form of animated bullshit, and B) demand for more and more extreme forms of child sexualization/fucking very easily could rise to a fuckton more child porn than already exists.

All in all, whatever defense you're making for lolicon is bullshit.
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Postby Liriena » Thu May 23, 2019 7:36 am

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Liriena wrote:Turns out that jocks were the real comrades all along and nerds are first in line for the gulags. :P

This conversation is giving me flashbacks to Johnathan McIntosh's The Adorkable Misogyny of The Big Bang Theory. For this reason, I will be reporting you.

Oh man, I remember that video. I still liked the one about military propaganda more, though.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu May 23, 2019 7:37 am

Torrocca wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:The entire debate is dumb and hinges on some pretty dodgy morality on the part of those criticizing loli.


I'm gonna stop you right there, chief.

First and fore-fucking-most, there's literally nothing "dodgy" about criticizing the depiction of kids being sexualized and/or literally fucked, animated or not. Secondly, there's the fact of the matter that both the normalization of pedophilia by accepting loli and the concept of supply and demand exist, which means that A) pedophiles who might not previously go after children because of societal norms might very well be emboldened to actually fucking do it if society allows pedophilic media to be consumed in the form of animated bullshit, and B) demand for more and more extreme forms of child sexualization/fucking very easily could rise to a fuckton more child porn than already exists.

All in all, whatever defense you're making for lolicon is bullshit.


Do you have any actual evidence or any of these claims of yours, like scientific evidence, or is it just assertions based in your worldview that the overwhelming majority of people are sick of and think is broken already?
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Thu May 23, 2019 7:42 am

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The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:This conversation is giving me flashbacks to Johnathan McIntosh's The Adorkable Misogyny of The Big Bang Theory. For this reason, I will be reporting you.

Oh man, I remember that video. I still liked the one about military propaganda more, though.

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Postby Liriena » Thu May 23, 2019 7:44 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:The entire debate is dumb and hinges on some pretty dodgy morality on the part of those criticizing loli.

Firstly you've got the fact that it's fictional and nobody is being harmed.
Secondly you've got the fact that, as has already been noted, often the character is not a child.

And a bunch of other stuff.

The problem with pedophilia is the disparity in the mind. Which is more objectionable, an 8 year old magicked into a 20 year olds body and then getting fucked, or a 20 year old into a 8 year olds body? If you answered the second one, there is something wrong with you, but that appears to be the ethical framework being utilized here. I.E, the objection is based around it being physically unattractive and it's bad if you find it physically attractive.

No. That's not the problem. It's not even A Problem. It's certainly not helpful to the discussion either, and is out of step with our other understanding of sex, sexuality, and consent. Basically all the complaints revolve around having certain prefernces being "Immoral.".

A feeling cannot be immoral.

Okay, so you find it gross. Get a grip? That's literally the same ethical framework people use to shut down gay sex on tv and so on. You should not be attacking people for their sexuality and making them feel bad for it, that's bad behavior.

You may as well be wailing about how people who legit masturbate to two girls one cup are ethically repugnant and them pretending its about public health concerns to cover up what you're actually doing.

Guess what. This is also why being a Furry is okay, and fucking animals isn't. I'd expect you to know that Liriena, but I guess not.

Let's say it's loli. It's even child loli. The anime boobs and all. The most extreme, explicit case you can think of.
It's still not a problem, because there is no actual victim here.

You do have a point on the fact that, at least in principle, attraction to lolis (or shotas) is a victimless crime that's not even a crime in the first place and, yeah, innermost feelings, attractions, aren't immoral.

That said... there is an inherent silliness to the "protecc muh infantile anime waifu" brand of anti-SJWism that's worth mocking. It's dorky as fuck, specially when framed in terms of "I'm gonna cheer for homophobic censorship because it makes 'SJWs' mad and they allegedly took my video game lolis away".
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Postby Torrocca » Thu May 23, 2019 7:47 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
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I'm gonna stop you right there, chief.

First and fore-fucking-most, there's literally nothing "dodgy" about criticizing the depiction of kids being sexualized and/or literally fucked, animated or not. Secondly, there's the fact of the matter that both the normalization of pedophilia by accepting loli and the concept of supply and demand exist, which means that A) pedophiles who might not previously go after children because of societal norms might very well be emboldened to actually fucking do it if society allows pedophilic media to be consumed in the form of animated bullshit, and B) demand for more and more extreme forms of child sexualization/fucking very easily could rise to a fuckton more child porn than already exists.

All in all, whatever defense you're making for lolicon is bullshit.


Do you have any actual evidence or any of these claims of yours, like scientific evidence, or is it just assertions based in your worldview that the overwhelming majority of people are sick of and think is broken already?


Literally just look at any fucking scenario where the supply and demand for something have been normalized and/or legalized ffs, like holy shit this isn't rocket science. If you normalize something like pedophilia through the accepted consumption of animated acts of child sexualization/porn, then the fucking logical outcome is an inevitable increase in actual child sexualization/porn.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu May 23, 2019 7:48 am

Liriena wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:The entire debate is dumb and hinges on some pretty dodgy morality on the part of those criticizing loli.

Firstly you've got the fact that it's fictional and nobody is being harmed.
Secondly you've got the fact that, as has already been noted, often the character is not a child.

And a bunch of other stuff.

The problem with pedophilia is the disparity in the mind. Which is more objectionable, an 8 year old magicked into a 20 year olds body and then getting fucked, or a 20 year old into a 8 year olds body? If you answered the second one, there is something wrong with you, but that appears to be the ethical framework being utilized here. I.E, the objection is based around it being physically unattractive and it's bad if you find it physically attractive.

No. That's not the problem. It's not even A Problem. It's certainly not helpful to the discussion either, and is out of step with our other understanding of sex, sexuality, and consent. Basically all the complaints revolve around having certain prefernces being "Immoral.".

A feeling cannot be immoral.

Okay, so you find it gross. Get a grip? That's literally the same ethical framework people use to shut down gay sex on tv and so on. You should not be attacking people for their sexuality and making them feel bad for it, that's bad behavior.

You may as well be wailing about how people who legit masturbate to two girls one cup are ethically repugnant and them pretending its about public health concerns to cover up what you're actually doing.

Guess what. This is also why being a Furry is okay, and fucking animals isn't. I'd expect you to know that Liriena, but I guess not.

Let's say it's loli. It's even child loli. The anime boobs and all. The most extreme, explicit case you can think of.
It's still not a problem, because there is no actual victim here.

You do have a point on the fact that, at least in principle, attraction to lolis (or shotas) is a victimless crime that's not even a crime in the first place and, yeah, innermost feelings, attractions, aren't immoral.

That said... there is an inherent silliness to the "protecc muh infantile anime waifu" brand of anti-SJWism that's worth mocking. It's dorky as fuck, specially when framed in terms of "I'm gonna cheer for homophobic censorship because it makes 'SJWs' mad and they allegedly took my video game lolis away".


If you're arguing about anime waifus in general, you're being dorky too. Everyone involved in this discussion is a dork. If you're mad about people fapping over anime waifus because they're not the right type of waifu, that is being a dork of a whole other level compared to just fapping over an anime waifu and wanting people to mind their own business.

SJWs have no business mocking anybody, it's merely a bullying tactic they use to make people feel bad about themselves and to shut down dissent, same as they do on practically all other topics.

Mate.
At this point, the SJWs are clearly the major threat to society. I can bet you Poles clapped when they saw Soviet tanks on the horizon in 44 and 45.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu May 23, 2019 7:49 am

Torrocca wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Do you have any actual evidence or any of these claims of yours, like scientific evidence, or is it just assertions based in your worldview that the overwhelming majority of people are sick of and think is broken already?


Literally just look at any fucking scenario where the supply and demand for something have been normalized and/or legalized ffs, like holy shit this isn't rocket science. If you normalize something like pedophilia through the accepted consumption of animated acts of child sexualization/porn, then the fucking logical outcome is an inevitable increase in actual child sexualization/porn.


Do you think violence in tv programmes has led to a rise in violence in real life?
Because you'd be wrong.

Unlike much of the progressive left on this topic, most people can in fact tell the difference between fiction and reality, and understand normalizing a fictional trope is not the same thing as normalizing a behavior.

This is the same broken worldview used by your movement in general, and it usually has terrible results. We have studies on this, like the comprehensive decades long study on video games and misogyny that debunked feminist paranoia on that topic too.
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Postby Liriena » Thu May 23, 2019 7:54 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Liriena wrote:You do have a point on the fact that, at least in principle, attraction to lolis (or shotas) is a victimless crime that's not even a crime in the first place and, yeah, innermost feelings, attractions, aren't immoral.

That said... there is an inherent silliness to the "protecc muh infantile anime waifu" brand of anti-SJWism that's worth mocking. It's dorky as fuck, specially when framed in terms of "I'm gonna cheer for homophobic censorship because it makes 'SJWs' mad and they allegedly took my video game lolis away".


If you're arguing about anime waifus in general, you're being dorky too. Everyone involved in this discussion is a dork. If you're mad about people fapping over anime waifus because they're not the right type of waifu, that is being a dork of a whole other level compared to just fapping over an anime waifu and wanting people to mind their own business.

SJWs have no business mocking anybody, it's merely a bullying tactic they use to make people feel bad about themselves and to shut down dissent, same as they do on practically all other topics.

Mate.
At this point, the SJWs are clearly the major threat to society. I can bet you Poles clapped when they saw Soviet tanks on the horizon in 44 and 45.

Because they allegedly took away one guy's child waifu???

Nevermind the fact that what anime and gamer dorks accuse SJWs of is, more often than not, totally harmless stuff ("forced diversity" because there's a gay character, "feminism" because some Mortal Kombat characters now look more like realistically sexy women, "SJW insanity" because someone somewhere wrote a piece on video game accessibility and the need for easy modes) or just plain conspiracy theories (Mass Andromeda turned out the way it did because SJWs infiltrated Bioware and spent too much time writing LGBT characters and purposefully designing female characters to look ugly, rather than them simply being forced to go through an extremely rushed development cycle).
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Postby Torrocca » Thu May 23, 2019 7:55 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Literally just look at any fucking scenario where the supply and demand for something have been normalized and/or legalized ffs, like holy shit this isn't rocket science. If you normalize something like pedophilia through the accepted consumption of animated acts of child sexualization/porn, then the fucking logical outcome is an inevitable increase in actual child sexualization/porn.


Do you think violence in tv programmes has led to a rise in violence in real life?
Because you'd be wrong.

Unlike much of the progressive left on this topic, most people can in fact tell the difference between fiction and reality, and understand normalizing a fictional trope is not the same thing as normalizing a behavior.

This is the same broken worldview used by your movement in general, and it usually has terrible results. We have studies on this, like the comprehensive decades long study on video games and misogyny that debunked feminist paranoia on that topic too.


Weird how in all your inane rambling you didn't even bother to fact-check if you were wrong or not:

"The resulting report and a follow-up report in 1982 by the National Institute of Mental Health identified these major effects of seeing violence on television:

  • Children may become less sensitive to the pain and suffering of others.
  • Children may be more fearful of the world around them.
  • Children may be more likely to behave in aggressive or harmful ways toward others."
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu May 23, 2019 7:58 am

Liriena wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
If you're arguing about anime waifus in general, you're being dorky too. Everyone involved in this discussion is a dork. If you're mad about people fapping over anime waifus because they're not the right type of waifu, that is being a dork of a whole other level compared to just fapping over an anime waifu and wanting people to mind their own business.

SJWs have no business mocking anybody, it's merely a bullying tactic they use to make people feel bad about themselves and to shut down dissent, same as they do on practically all other topics.

Mate.
At this point, the SJWs are clearly the major threat to society. I can bet you Poles clapped when they saw Soviet tanks on the horizon in 44 and 45.

Because they allegedly took away one guy's child waifu???

Nevermind the fact that what anime and gamer dorks accuse SJWs of is, more often than not, totally harmless stuff ("forced diversity" because there's a gay character, "feminism" because some Mortal Kombat characters now look more like realistically sexy women, "SJW insanity" because someone somewhere wrote a piece on video game accessibility and the need for easy modes) or just plain conspiracy theories (Mass Andromeda turned out the way it did because SJWs infiltrated Bioware and spent too much time writing LGBT characters and purposefully designing female characters to look ugly, rather than them simply being forced to go through an extremely rushed development cycle).


"It's just Danzig, what's the problem?".

No, because of constant aggression, escalating hate towards outsiders, authoritarianism, and so on. You cannot force people to ignore a consistent pattern of aggression, authoritarianism, and so on, and you cannot force them to ignore the bad faith of the progressive movement and all that. We know how they operate and escalate now.

You're ignoring instances of SJWs going further than that, and ignoring how the "diversity" plays out in those cases mostly as shitty writing, coupled with hostile vitriol to noting that shitty writing because "diversity".
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Postby Nakena » Thu May 23, 2019 7:59 am

Torrocca wrote:Literally just look at any fucking scenario where the supply and demand for something have been normalized and/or legalized ffs, like holy shit this isn't rocket science. If you normalize something like pedophilia through the accepted consumption of animated acts of child sexualization/porn, then the fucking logical outcome is an inevitable increase in actual child sexualization/porn.


What about Japan then? The land of Animu has not banned loli.



So should we more regulate TV?

Thats not very anarchist.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu May 23, 2019 8:01 am

Torrocca wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Do you think violence in tv programmes has led to a rise in violence in real life?
Because you'd be wrong.

Unlike much of the progressive left on this topic, most people can in fact tell the difference between fiction and reality, and understand normalizing a fictional trope is not the same thing as normalizing a behavior.

This is the same broken worldview used by your movement in general, and it usually has terrible results. We have studies on this, like the comprehensive decades long study on video games and misogyny that debunked feminist paranoia on that topic too.


Weird how in all your inane rambling you didn't even bother to fact-check if you were wrong or not:

"The resulting report and a follow-up report in 1982 by the National Institute of Mental Health identified these major effects of seeing violence on television:

  • Children may become less sensitive to the pain and suffering of others.
  • Children may be more fearful of the world around them.
  • Children may be more likely to behave in aggressive or harmful ways toward others."


And if you bothered to keep reading you'd notice the far more modern challenges to that view. Ones which should be obvious.

Maybe if your kid is interacting with the tv 8 hours a day, it's not what's ON the tv causing their problems with connecting to other people. Same for video games.

The inane and trite observation that someone who drinks gallons of milk constantly develops health issues does not justify a paranoid conspiracy about how milk in general is bad for your health and needs to be banned.
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Postby Liriena » Thu May 23, 2019 8:03 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:You're ignoring instances of SJWs going further than that

Such as?

Ostroeuropa wrote:and ignoring how the "diversity" plays out in those cases mostly as shitty writing, coupled with hostile vitriol to noting that shitty writing because "diversity".

Examples?
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Postby Torrocca » Thu May 23, 2019 8:03 am

Nakena wrote:
Torrocca wrote:Literally just look at any fucking scenario where the supply and demand for something have been normalized and/or legalized ffs, like holy shit this isn't rocket science. If you normalize something like pedophilia through the accepted consumption of animated acts of child sexualization/porn, then the fucking logical outcome is an inevitable increase in actual child sexualization/porn.


What about Japan then? The land of Animu has not banned loli.


It's not looking as good as you'd think.



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