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Objecting to family members' dates; gender-neutral?

Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Sun Oct 28, 2018 1:43 pm

You all know the TV/movie cliche about fathers objecting to who their daughters date. We've all heard of guys like that in real life too, and it stands to reason you'd expect as much; tribes that put the interests of the tribe over whatever traits our ancestors before that evolved to find attractive might've survived longer. Presumably, this would be magnified in girls, who for most of evolution couldn't get a second pregnancy for at least 9 months after the first, raising the decision stakes, as opposed to guys who could cause a new one sooner.

However, MLP:FIM had an interesting take on this a year ago; (damn, it's really been more than a year?) to depict mothers objecting as much; or at least almost as much; to who their sons dated as fathers did to who their daughters dated.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKvErCpVpZg#t=1m51s

And yet, even that ended with her getting over it and letting his girlfriend into the family.

Of course, this is the same show that previously portrayed a girl objecting to who her brother was dating.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zyJ51c-AWs#t=2m46s

One thing that rarely gets brought up is the extent to which the "overprotective dad/brother" can be gender-flipped. But now a fandom whose very existence has challenged other gender stereotypes is naturally catered to with a show that follows suit.

What I'm wondering is; how much truth is there to this stereotype, and/or gender-flips thereof? I can't help but notice that debates over the "nice guys finish last" stereotype; yes, even more so than others; are often made out to be about jealousy. Yet the fact that fathers object to who their daughters date suggests there's more to it than that, unless the people assuming such are accusing overprotective dads of being pedophile-wannabes.

In theory, taking the relationship to the level of marriage suggests copulating with her and only her. In practice, that's not always the case. And for most of evolution it never was. So the 9 months vs. sooner dichotomy is still a factor, if not the entirety. And even for our ancestors, adultery might've ended in an STD brought back to the wife, though it's unclear whether they might've managed to prevent that anyway by keeping it within the tribe. And even if they didn't, it'd still have been a tradeoff between "increasing genetic quality but otherwise diseased" vs "stagnant gene quality." Assuming they have some OTHER reason to consider genes for adultery "low quality."

How gender-neutral would you presume such things are or are not, NSG?
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Oct 28, 2018 1:51 pm

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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sun Oct 28, 2018 1:55 pm

Ifreann wrote:This is your brain on evo-psych.


Evo-psych with PONIES.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sun Oct 28, 2018 2:02 pm

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Ifreann wrote:This is your brain on evo-psych.


Evo-psych with PONIES.


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Postby Page » Sun Oct 28, 2018 2:03 pm

I think it is rather gender neutral overall. Overprotective fathers of daughters are the most stereotyped, but I know from experience as a male that family members and friends can be really judgmental about your significant others too.
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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Sun Oct 28, 2018 2:29 pm

Ifreann wrote:This is your brain on evo-psych.

What's your proposed alternative, then?
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:1. The PRC is not a Communist State, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.

How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.

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Postby Ifreann » Sun Oct 28, 2018 2:32 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Ifreann wrote:This is your brain on evo-psych.


Evo-psych with PONIES.

I used to wonder why people did things
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Until I read online it's evolutionary
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Oct 28, 2018 2:48 pm

What? This is the most pseudoscientific gobbledygook I’ve seen in a while.

And yes fathers can and will object to their sons date as will mothers to their daughters and on and on.
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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Sun Oct 28, 2018 2:49 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Evo-psych with PONIES.

I used to wonder why people did things
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Until I read online it's evolutionary

Pfft, like you weren't known for referencing the show a lot yourself.

Now are you going to address the points made or no?
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2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
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How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.

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Postby The New California Republic » Sun Oct 28, 2018 2:59 pm

You seem to have been blindsided by the phenomenon of fathers objecting to who their lesbian daughter dates, or mothers objecting to who their gay son dates, both in non-homophobic ways. It's a thing.
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Postby New haven america » Sun Oct 28, 2018 3:09 pm

Family members can be judgmental about who their children or siblings date.

In other news, water is wet and the Pope shits in the woods, more on these stories at 11.
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Postby Saiwania » Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:18 pm

I feel that it wouldn't be my place to physically interfere with my children's love life or whatever, but it does not however- mean that I have to approve. I think the best course of action is to give them the freedom to make their own choice, but to make them aware that it isn't without consequence.

If I didn't raise a daughter to be a race traitor, they will more or less- have to choose between me or their Black, Asian, whatever boyfriend. I will have to disown them if I can't tolerate it in good conscience.

MLP:FIM, hmm? I remember that series being a bigger deal back in 2010. Since then, my tastes in media have evolved. I do feel obligated to eventually get back to MLP (because I've seen most of the series' episodes) but damn, I just can't get into it very much anymore. It has increased its emphasis on being for little girls rather than a general audience and has become filled with more liberal claptrap that is "in your face." I don't know when or if I can force myself to get back to that cartoon, it won't be for a while yet.

I've enjoyed this vintage live action show from the 1970s so much more, as of late.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:09 pm

Goddamnit dude, I'm currently watching the last season of MLP:FiM (and no, I ain't a brony, I just watched it many years ago and felt like catching up again), and you seriously had to make a thread about the episode I was just about to watch!?

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Postby Katganistan » Sun Oct 28, 2018 10:46 pm

I was not a fan of my sibling's first spouse from the beginning, but smiled, kept my mouth shut, and was civil.

Seems I was right.

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Postby Rojava Free State » Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:01 pm

Then there's that dad who's like "you better bring my daughter back by 10. the shell casings move faster then."

Um BITCH I THINK THE FUCK NOT. If you are gonna shoot a guy for having your daughter out past a certain time, that makes you a damn nut job. I mean, im pretty sure serving 25 years to life over your daughter not coming home on time is gonna be WAAAAAY worse for your child than learning how to fuck off.
Beyond that, there's also the dilemma of the fact that maybe your daughter's boyfriend owns a damn gun himself. So now your crazy ass is firing your damn AR-15 or shotgun at the kid, he's ducking into his car and grabbing his tech nine, and the neighborhood is turning into a shooting range cause your impulsive planet of the apes ass had to get ill over a damn time.
Assuming her boyfriend doesnt shoot your stupid ass and kill you, either you killed him as threatened before and go to prison, or you and him both get arrested for weapons offenses (you turned your street into Afghanistan over a time limit and a young boy). Congratulations dickhead, your either sitting in a jail cell or laying in a freezer at the morgue because you are way too overprotective and controlling of your daughter, who you have yet to realize isnt your property or something that needs special protection. She's a young woman. let her find her way, and stop trying to show us how much of a "real man" you think your firearm makes you. I could shoot you in the head and walk away, and it wouldnt even be something to gloat about. anyone could do it.

If i dont like my sister's boyfriend, I may tell her how i feel and give advice, but i would never demand she stop dating him and sure as hell wouldnt pull a gun on a random kid and risk losing everything over what's less likely real concern for my sister and more likely my fragile masculine ego. I have no right to do that. My sister is an independent human being who is allowed to associate with whoever she wants to. She's not a small child who needs to be protected from the world, or a slave.

And I think based on the gender of a majority of victims of violent crime, you should be more worried for your son out there than your daughter or sister. The FBI stats good news is that she isnt in the most danger out in the world
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:04 pm

Saiwania wrote:I feel that it wouldn't be my place to physically interfere with my children's love life or whatever, but it does not however- mean that I have to approve. I think the best course of action is to give them the freedom to make their own choice, but to make them aware that it isn't without consequence.

If I didn't raise a daughter to be a race traitor, they will more or less- have to choose between me or their Black, Asian, whatever boyfriend. I will have to disown them if I can't tolerate it in good conscience.

MLP:FIM, hmm? I remember that series being a bigger deal back in 2010. Since then, my tastes in media have evolved. I do feel obligated to eventually get back to MLP (because I've seen most of the series' episodes) but damn, I just can't get into it very much anymore. It has increased its emphasis on being for little girls rather than a general audience and has become filled with more liberal claptrap that is "in your face." I don't know when or if I can force myself to get back to that cartoon, it won't be for a while yet.

I've enjoyed this vintage live action show from the 1970s so much more, as of late.


If you cut off your kid because they fell in love with someone whose skin tone is darker than theirs or yours (or lighter if you're a black racist), you frankly dont deserve to see any of your kids again. I would never make my kid choose between me and their partner over anything. That's controlling and manipulative, and is often a sign of psychopathic tendencies.
Besides, the main point is that you should be able to love your grandkids regardless of their skin color. If my kids or grandkids were black or asian instead of hispanic, i would still love them just as much because they are the new human lives i was responsible for making
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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:50 am

The New California Republic wrote:You seem to have been blindsided by the phenomenon of fathers objecting to who their lesbian daughter dates, or mothers objecting to who their gay son dates, both in non-homophobic ways. It's a thing.

Either sound like they could be side-effects of this instinct. The former has "who one's daughter is dating" in common with it, the latter has "which male one's offspring are dating" in common with it.

Also, I wouldn't be entirely sure homophobia isn't a factor. The use of "gay" and "fag" as generic insults wouldn't have caught on unless we all at least a little homophobic.

Of course, none of this proves it's held as intensely so as the "which guy your daughter's dating" thing. (Or less intensely, for that matter.)
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Postby Valgora » Tue Oct 30, 2018 1:42 pm

I wouldn't consider the Brony Fandom as one that challenged many gender stereotypes. Although it's existentance did challenge gender stereotypes involving watching TV I guess, considering the fact that we are mostly males who watch a TV that was originally intended for little girls.

But anyways... I'll be honest. I have no clue what your talking about with all this stuff about evolution and whatever in this context.
I will say that objecting to family members' dates can be gender neutral. It is just expected that fathers and brothers are more likely to due such a thing when a daughter or sister begins dating, and it is expected that a mother will be less likely to do such a thing but it ain't unheard of.
Being overprotective in general is gender neutral; however, certain situations will result in different expectations for different genders since the usual stereotype is that women are more warm while men ain't that warm.
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Postby The Holy Therns » Tue Oct 30, 2018 2:36 pm

Saiwania wrote:I feel that it wouldn't be my place to physically interfere with my children's love life or whatever, but it does not however- mean that I have to approve. I think the best course of action is to give them the freedom to make their own choice, but to make them aware that it isn't without consequence.

If I didn't raise a daughter to be a race traitor, they will more or less- have to choose between me or their Black, Asian, whatever boyfriend. I will have to disown them if I can't tolerate it in good conscience.

MLP:FIM, hmm? I remember that series being a bigger deal back in 2010. Since then, my tastes in media have evolved. I do feel obligated to eventually get back to MLP (because I've seen most of the series' episodes) but damn, I just can't get into it very much anymore. It has increased its emphasis on being for little girls rather than a general audience and has become filled with more liberal claptrap that is "in your face." I don't know when or if I can force myself to get back to that cartoon, it won't be for a while yet.

I've enjoyed this vintage live action show from the 1970s so much more, as of late.


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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Tue Oct 30, 2018 3:27 pm

I'm going to do my best to ignore the ham-fisted brony shit and actually get into the issue.

I think that, if you never object to someone's choices, you must not care about them or don't have very strong beliefs. Objecting to someone's choices isn't necessarily malicious, though it can appear that way. Personally, I would object to any relationship a relative has that I think would be harmful to them; however, at the end of the day, it's not my decision to make and I can only be in an advisory role.
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Postby Vince Vaughn » Thu Nov 01, 2018 5:40 pm

Parents make judgements about their kid's dating choices often out of sense of care and love. They don't want you to only date certain people because they want to be controlling, but because, as a parent, they think it's in their kids best interest.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Nov 01, 2018 6:44 pm

I'm really confused.

I read the OP several times and it's... not really saying anything clear to me somehow?

What do you mean, "is it gender-neutral"... which aspect of fathers objecting to daughters' choice of dates are we meant to discuss?

In fact, I can't even flesh out or summarise what you thought on anything


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