Homosexuality and Culture

[Mardla]

Has homosexuality made any positive contributions to our culture? Why? Or why not?

I argue that homosexuality becoming tolerated has added zero to our culture. Homosexuality, being incompatible with our cultural norms, created a fundamentally opposed culture. It was almost an anti culture, as its basis was grotesque caricature of our culture. This culminated in homosexual marriage, which is a grotesque caricature of heterosexual marriage; even the homosexual ancient Greeks would see homosexual marriage as a farce of heterosexual marriage.

And not only that: I go so far to assert that our culture's immune system has become deficient due to homosexual culture. For a culture's ability to reject certain elements is just as important for its preservation as its ability to accept. By accepting homosexuality, a counter-culture built purely on negation and "spoof" of its host culture, our culture was confronted by a sort of mocking reflection of itself which it was told it must credit. As a result, we have lost our strength to resist culture which attacks and totally undermines our own. We have even fallen to a sort of self-hate and continual guilt-tripping of our culture, through which the only posited way to atone is by ceasing to resist antithetical cultures and values.

[Erythrean Thebes]

Has homosexuality made any positive contributions to our culture? Why? Or why not?

I argue that homosexuality becoming tolerated has added zero to our culture. Homosexuality, being incompatible with our cultural norms, created a fundamentally opposed culture. It was almost an anti culture, as its basis was grotesque caricature of our culture. This culminated in homosexual marriage, which is a grotesque caricature of heterosexual marriage; even the homosexual ancient Greeks would see homosexual marriage as a farce of heterosexual marriage.

And not only that: I go so far to assert that our culture's immune system has become deficient due to homosexual culture. For a culture's ability to reject certain elements is just as important for its preservation as its ability to accept. By accepting homosexuality, a counter-culture built purely on negation and "spoof" of its host culture, our culture was confronted by a sort of mocking reflection of itself which it was told it must credit. As a result, we have lost our strength to resist culture which attacks and totally undermines our own. We have even fallen to a sort of self-hate and continual guilt-tripping of our culture, through which the only posited way to atone is by ceasing to resist antithetical cultures and values.

This is a novice mistake. What you're talking about is the sight, in media or presumably in real life, of homosexuality being demonstrated openly with the acceptance of others. It's not "part of our culture" now, its a culture of its own.

[Katganistan]

I propose that people who don't like homosexuality should mind their business and stop obsessing about it.

[Valgora]

I haven't seen homosexual "culture" as being really any different than heterosexual "culture".
If sexuality even had culture that is.

But homosexuality ain't a "counter-culture built purely on negation and 'spoof' of its host culture". I don't see where you even got the idea of that. It just makes no sense.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I propose that people who don't like homosexuality should mind their business and stop obsessing about it.

Absolutely.

[The Burke Islands]

Homosexuality isn’t an anti-culture, counter-culture, or even a culture at all. A culture is a learned way of living, you don’t learn how to be gay.

[Mardla]

I propose that people who don't like homosexuality should mind their business and stop obsessing about it.

Someone who doesn't concern themselves with society, who just minds his own business, was called an "idiotes" in ancient Greece.

[Erythrean Thebes]

I haven't seen homosexual "culture" as being really any different than heterosexual "culture".
If sexuality even had culture that is.

But homosexuality ain't a "counter-culture built purely on negation and 'spoof' of its host culture". I don't see where you even got the idea of that. It just makes no sense.

I disagree. There is a gay culture, even if not all people who are homosexual practice or participate in it. There is unambiguously a wing of the homosexual population that constitutes its own culture, because of the idiosyncratic ideas they hold about sexual identity, sexual prowess, the libido, the penis etc. It could be, that some of the ideas of the culture are reproduced elsewhere in heterosexual women. But nevertheless, the point is much truer than it is not.

That being said, it's a culture of its own, and it's not "part" of Anglo culture for some reason I can't imagine.

[Valgora]

I haven't seen homosexual "culture" as being really any different than heterosexual "culture".
If sexuality even had culture that is.

But homosexuality ain't a "counter-culture built purely on negation and 'spoof' of its host culture". I don't see where you even got the idea of that. It just makes no sense.

I disagree. There is a gay culture, even if not all people who are homosexual practice or participate in it. There is unambiguously a wing of the homosexual population that constitutes its own culture, because of the idiosyncratic ideas they hold about sexual identity, sexual prowess, the libido, the penis etc. It could be, that some of the ideas of the culture are reproduced elsewhere in heterosexual women. But nevertheless, the point is much truer than it is not.

That being said, it's a culture of its own, and it's not "part" of Anglo culture for some reason I can't imagine.

If a gay culture does exist, it would be more of a sub-culture in my opinion.

[Mardla]

I haven't seen homosexual "culture" as being really any different than heterosexual "culture".
If sexuality even had culture that is.

But homosexuality ain't a "counter-culture built purely on negation and 'spoof' of its host culture". I don't see where you even got the idea of that. It just makes no sense.

I disagree. There is a gay culture, even if not all people who are homosexual practice or participate in it. There is unambiguously a wing of the homosexual population that constitutes its own culture, because of the idiosyncratic ideas they hold about sexual identity, sexual prowess, the libido, the penis etc. It could be, that some of the ideas of the culture are reproduced elsewhere in heterosexual women. But nevertheless, the point is much truer than it is not.

That being said, it's a culture of its own, and it's not "part" of Anglo culture for some reason I can't imagine.

It is the cultural equivalent of a tumor

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I disagree. There is a gay culture, even if not all people who are homosexual practice or participate in it. There is unambiguously a wing of the homosexual population that constitutes its own culture, because of the idiosyncratic ideas they hold about sexual identity, sexual prowess, the libido, the penis etc. It could be, that some of the ideas of the culture are reproduced elsewhere in heterosexual women. But nevertheless, the point is much truer than it is not.

That being said, it's a culture of its own, and it's not "part" of Anglo culture for some reason I can't imagine.

It is the cultural equivalent of a tumor

It isn't. Your way of thinking is the tumor.

[Erythrean Thebes]

I disagree. There is a gay culture, even if not all people who are homosexual practice or participate in it. There is unambiguously a wing of the homosexual population that constitutes its own culture, because of the idiosyncratic ideas they hold about sexual identity, sexual prowess, the libido, the penis etc. It could be, that some of the ideas of the culture are reproduced elsewhere in heterosexual women. But nevertheless, the point is much truer than it is not.

That being said, it's a culture of its own, and it's not "part" of Anglo culture for some reason I can't imagine.

If a gay culture does exist, it would be more of a sub-culture in my opinion.

In terms of sociology, that's probably right

[Valgora]

I disagree. There is a gay culture, even if not all people who are homosexual practice or participate in it. There is unambiguously a wing of the homosexual population that constitutes its own culture, because of the idiosyncratic ideas they hold about sexual identity, sexual prowess, the libido, the penis etc. It could be, that some of the ideas of the culture are reproduced elsewhere in heterosexual women. But nevertheless, the point is much truer than it is not.

That being said, it's a culture of its own, and it's not "part" of Anglo culture for some reason I can't imagine.

It is the cultural equivalent of a tumor

No it's not.

[The Burke Islands]

I disagree. There is a gay culture, even if not all people who are homosexual practice or participate in it. There is unambiguously a wing of the homosexual population that constitutes its own culture, because of the idiosyncratic ideas they hold about sexual identity, sexual prowess, the libido, the penis etc. It could be, that some of the ideas of the culture are reproduced elsewhere in heterosexual women. But nevertheless, the point is much truer than it is not.

That being said, it's a culture of its own, and it's not "part" of Anglo culture for some reason I can't imagine.

It is the cultural equivalent of a tumor

You can troll pretty well.

[Katganistan]

I propose that people who don't like homosexuality should mind their business and stop obsessing about it.

Someone who doesn't concern themselves with society, who just minds his own business, was called an "idiotes" in ancient Greece.

But it literally has nothing to do with you. How homosexuals live: no impact on you or anyone else. Does it take money from your pocket? Are you bullied for not being homosexual? Are there homosexual conversion camps?

What you're complaining about is the fact they're allowed to exist and breathe the same air you do, marry their partners as you may choose to do, work in a job of their choice as you do, become educated as you may. And forgive me, but your psuedo-intellectual "people who mind their own business was called an idiotes in ancient Greece" is fucking ironic given the prevalence and normalcy of homosexuality in Ancient Greece.

Is your argument then hypocritical, or simply ignorant?

[Mardla]

It is the cultural equivalent of a tumor

It isn't. Your way of thinking is the tumor.

Only if the tumor predicates the body.

[Bombadil]

Countering the prevailing point of view is the very thing that advances our culture. In that sense I'd argue they're rather valuable.

[Mardla]

Countering the prevailing point of view is the very thing that advances our culture. In that sense I'd argue they're rather valuable.

A degree of negation is necessary for growth, of course. But pure negation is death

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

If anything, the discrimination and oppression of homosexuality has made negative contributions to our culture, especially in America where the ideals of liberty and freedom are supposed to be essential cornerstones to it.

I propose that people who don't like homosexuality should mind their business and stop obsessing about it.

Agreed on this 100%.

[Joohan]

I propose that people who don't like homosexuality should mind their business and stop obsessing about it.

hear no evil...

[Erythrean Thebes]

Athens, by all means the predominant representative of Greek culture in historical memory, in a land of thin and miserable soil, was created only because the rocky outcropping of the future Acropolis served as a haven for exiles and fugitives from the more oppressive neighboring lands. For the same reason, what would normally just be horny men has adopted the schema of a culture, under the comparable pressure of persecution and external hostility. We don't say, for example, that women are their own culture - rather different cultures have a script for women. Perhaps you, Parkus, could try and create a script for gays, in Anglo culture?

[Mardla]

If anything, the discrimination and oppression of homosexuality has made negative contributions to our culture, especially in America where the ideals of liberty and freedom are supposed to be essential cornerstones to it.

I propose that people who don't like homosexuality should mind their business and stop obsessing about it.

Agreed on this 100%.

You will pardon me if I doubt "liberty and freedom" signified fellatio to the Minutemen.

[Ihury]

I propose that people who don't like homosexuality should mind their business and stop obsessing about it.

Someone who doesn't concern themselves with society, who just minds his own business, was called an "idiotes" in ancient Greece.

Firstly, it's a bit of a straw-man to say that tolerating other people's lifestyle choices equates to not caring about society. I may disagree with people who think mayonnaise is delicious and should be added to everything, but just because I don't go out of my way to dictate what they should or should not do with their mayonnaise doesn't mean that I have no interest in society.

Secondly, we don't live in Ancient Greece.

[Valgora]

If anything, the discrimination and oppression of homosexuality has made negative contributions to our culture, especially in America where the ideals of liberty and freedom are supposed to be essential cornerstones to it.


Agreed on this 100%.

You will pardon me if I doubt "liberty and freedom" signified fellatio to the Minutemen.

It doesn't matter whether or not that's what they thought of liberty and freedom.

[The South Falls]

I can imagine you busting into people's rooms, telling them exactly what position to use.

If people are homosexual, they can't change that.