Sygian II wrote:Nice report, but since when have you started reporting detags?
Since we started getting roped into doing them. It's a tragedy, but one we must deal with.
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by Tim-Opolis » Sun Dec 11, 2016 5:16 pm
Sygian II wrote:Nice report, but since when have you started reporting detags?
<Koth - 06/30/2020> I mean as far as GPers go, Tim is one of the most iconic
by Cormactopia II » Sun Dec 11, 2016 7:33 pm
by Altmoras » Sun Dec 11, 2016 8:05 pm
27 days ago: Regional Founder Cerian quilor ceased to exist.
68 days ago: Regional Founder The Memorial of Cerian Quilor ceased to exist.
97 days ago: Regional Founder The Memorial of Cerian Quilor ceased to exist.
by Lord Ravenclaw » Sun Dec 11, 2016 9:21 pm
by Altmoras » Sun Dec 11, 2016 10:00 pm
Lord Ravenclaw wrote:Osiris has been friendly with Kantrias since late 2012, early 2013. It is not a stretch that Osiris might have sought to reinforce a former close friend who had fallen to the depths of time.
The Wardens on the other hand, given Kantrias' gameplay alignment in the past, are very unlikely to support one of the former imperial heavyweights.
Lord Ravenclaw wrote:A liberation it was not, indeed.
by Roavin » Mon Dec 12, 2016 2:08 am
Amerikaner Free States wrote:Hmm, this region looks pretty dead.... I used to be a member here a long time ago. Oh well.
Godas Slade wrote:come back, let's revive this place!
12/11/2016, 2:10:46 AM: Godas Slade lodged a message on the Kantrias Regional Message Board.
12/11/2016, 2:08:59 AM: Godas Slade relocated from Ainur to Kantrias.
12/10/2016, 7:13:49 PM: Godas Slade's influence in Ainur rose from "Zero" to "Nipper".
12/10/2016, 5:50:36 PM: Godas Slade endorsed Amerikaner Free States.
by Frattastan II » Mon Dec 12, 2016 3:51 am
<@Guy> well done, fuckhead.
* @Guy claps for frattastan
by Glen-Rhodes » Mon Dec 12, 2016 11:57 am
Lord Ravenclaw wrote:The Wardens on the other hand, given Kantrias' gameplay alignment in the past, are very unlikely to support one of the former imperial heavyweights.
by Cormactopia II » Mon Dec 12, 2016 5:41 pm
Frattastan II wrote:It's still unclear why Osiris would "invade" a known invader region, stealthily or not.
by Altmoras » Mon Dec 12, 2016 5:49 pm
by Brunhizzle » Mon Dec 12, 2016 5:54 pm
Cormactopia II wrote:Brunhilde, the Minister of Foreign Affairs from Europeia, can confirm that I contacted her shortly after we took Kantrias' Delegacy to ask if anyone in Europeia was still in contact with Cerian Quilor, the original Founder of Kantrias.
by Cormactopia II » Mon Dec 12, 2016 5:55 pm
Altmoras wrote:Kantrias
Truly a devastated battleground horrifically invaded by The Grey Wardens. The way we restored the region to its original state before raiders defaced it, truly the dastardly work of hardened villains.
Hate to break it to you, but the only Warden to invade Kantrias is former Warden-Commander Cormac Stark.
by Altmoras » Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:01 pm
by Cormactopia II » Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:06 pm
Altmoras wrote:And who is going to attack it? As I recall when KGB went for it there was a bit of an uproar. And it's not like TBR is still around to deface any region unfortunate enough to lose its founder regardless of history.
So far the only one to take advantage of Kantrias' vulnerable state is you.
by Altmoras » Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:08 pm
Cormactopia II wrote:Altmoras wrote:And who is going to attack it? As I recall when KGB went for it there was a bit of an uproar. And it's not like TBR is still around to deface any region unfortunate enough to lose its founder regardless of history.
So far the only one to take advantage of Kantrias' vulnerable state is you.
Who knows who might attack Kantrias? New raider regions with no connection to mainstream raiderdom and no concept of raider unity spring up on a regular basis, and there's always Nazi Europa and other fascist regions as well.
We were securing Kantrias because we thought you would eventually invade it (and you did, and you still might again). But there are plenty of others who might invade Kantrias. Kantrias made many friends but also plenty of enemies. Hence why we wanted to secure it.
by Cormactopia II » Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:12 pm
Altmoras wrote:There's a difference between raiding a region and securing one with good intentions. Someone with your wealth of defending experience should know the difference.
by Gatito » Mon Dec 12, 2016 7:01 pm
Cormactopia II wrote:Altmoras wrote:There's a difference between raiding a region and securing one with good intentions. Someone with your wealth of defending experience should know the difference.
We were securing Kantrias with good intentions. That we did not follow defender procedure, in that we made an addition to Kantrias' WFE, does not mean we didn't have good intentions. I know defenders have trouble with this concept, but other regions are not required to do things your way and follow your procedures. You will not dictate our military policy and procedures to us.
You are correct that there's a difference between raiding a region and securing one with good intentions. The difference is that we were doing the latter, and you were doing the former. As a result of our actions, Kantrias would eventually have been secured; as a result of yours, it remains vulnerable to invasion and destruction. No so-called "detag" will change that.
by Tim-Opolis » Mon Dec 12, 2016 7:11 pm
Cormactopia II wrote:Yes, you "restored" it to its vulnerable condition.
<Koth - 06/30/2020> I mean as far as GPers go, Tim is one of the most iconic
by Cormactopia II » Mon Dec 12, 2016 8:11 pm
Tim-Opolis wrote:I wouldn't call a 1-endo point who doesn't even log in at update a very secure hold either.
Let's make it very clear, Cormac. If we wanted to invade Kantrias, Kantrias would be flying a Grey Warden flag right now. Call it an invasion all you want, but it was a textbook liberation.
by Eostitorie » Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:28 pm
Cormactopia II wrote:Tim-Opolis wrote:I wouldn't call a 1-endo point who doesn't even log in at update a very secure hold either.
Let's make it very clear, Cormac. If we wanted to invade Kantrias, Kantrias would be flying a Grey Warden flag right now. Call it an invasion all you want, but it was a textbook liberation.
I was unfortunately unavailable at that particular minor update and I don't make any excuses for that. That said, had the Wardens not interfered with what was clearly an operation to secure Kantrias, I would have accumulated more endorsements and would have been available at most updates until the region could have been fully secured. That would clearly have been more secure than the condition in which the Grey Wardens have left Kantrias, founderless with no WA Delegate, no active native WA nations in the region, and no password. You're like police who have responded to someone feeding a neighbor's cat while they're away on vacation by arresting the neighbor for breaking and entering, then leaving the door not only unlocked, but wide open, for actual burglars to just waltz in and take whatever they want whenever they want it.
I will never concede that your operation was a liberation because to do so would be to concede that our operation was an invasion, which would be a lie. More fundamentally, it would mean conceding that counter-invasion operations can only be valid if they are undertaken according to defender policies and procedures, the same abysmal policies and procedures that will in all likelihood now lead to Kantrias being invaded by a hostile force. Intentional or otherwise, you invaded Kantrias to remove forces friendly to Kantrias who were attempting to secure the region against invasion. You have now left Kantrias as vulnerable to invasion as it was before you invaded it, and then called attention to its vulnerable state by boasting about "liberating" it in Gameplay. Great job. With defenders like these, who needs raiders?
by Funkadelia » Mon Dec 12, 2016 10:11 pm
Cormactopia II wrote:-snip-
by Cormactopia II » Mon Dec 12, 2016 11:33 pm
by WARDEN DRAKE » Tue Dec 13, 2016 12:00 am
by Altmoras » Tue Dec 13, 2016 5:42 am
Intentional or otherwise, you invaded Kantrias to remove forces friendly to Kantrias who were attempting to secure the region against invasion.
Cormac Stark wrote:Well, I was the one who suggested the raid of Kantrias to Vac so I suppose I'm the "disreputable source." There was no "faulty intelligence"; I pointed out to Vac that Kantrias had been an ally of The LKE and I thought it still was -- that turned out to be incorrect, but it was on Vac to confirm -- and I also pointed out to Vac that The LKE were not the only ones who would be angry if Kantrias was raided. These were risks of which Vac was well informed, and he opted to move forward with the raid anyway, as did you, Your Majesty.
The difference between Asgard and The Kingdom of Great Britain -- besides the former having a more competent founder who has never destroyed a forum -- is that I didn't try to lie my way out of my actions to save Asgard from the anger of people I already knew would be angry.
While I'm here, I'll apologize to Albion as well. I apologize for raiding your treaty ally trying to be loyal and helpful to this lying farce of a King. Won't make that mistake again.
*Bolding mine.Cormac Stark wrote:We would be remiss if we didn't also say a few words about the Great Heathen Army's participation in the attempted raid of Kantrias by The Kingdom of Great Britain. Asgard was happy to assist in this attempted raid despite the ostensibly impressive imperialist treaty network that Kantrias still enjoys, because we firmly believe that neither the extremely dead Kantrias nor any of its withering Old Imperialist allies offer anything of value to Asgard now or in the future. Instead, we look forward to working with upcoming, thriving regions like our own in the future.
We also look forward to watching The Land of Kings and Emperors, Albion, Europeia, The New Inquisition (it still exists, right?), et al., commit the troops and time necessary to either a) lock Kantrias behind an invisible password, depriving it of any population growth, or b) re-found, with the potential that the region will be permanently swiped by hostile forces. Because if you don't take the necessary security measures, we'll try again. Vikings are tenacious.
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