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Nakarisaune
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Founded: Sep 17, 2011
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Postby Nakarisaune » Tue Oct 15, 2019 1:14 pm

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Fellow South Pacificans,

the recent coup of our ally the East Pacific has brought out several revelations with regards to the Rahl family. Despite their rhetoric that they are only a RP family comprising mutually friendly individuals, we now have received clear and convincing evidence that they are, as many have foretold and suspected, operating as a political entity. With their destabilizing machinations uncovered, and the roots of their family in the infamous Empire, which in years past orchestrated several coups, there is no doubt that any member of the Rahl family, no matter how innocent themselves, is an inherent threat to the security of any region that allows that member to call it their "home".

The screenshots below are from a chat planning the coup, provided by Tim Stark.

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Furthermore, the same evidence also reveals both the masterminds and the willing participants of the recent coup. This was not a spontaneous coup "for the lulz", but rather had been many, many months in the planning. Even Fedele's re-election as Delegate was masterminded by this same group, using voter importation (primarily from Rahl members and affiliates), strategic misdirection, and other methods to ensure that their desired candidate won the election. This is inexcusable.

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Last but not least, the evidence lends credence to the suspicion that it was Rahl operatives that attempted to interfere in the last Delegate elections in the South Pacific, by bringing in puppets to vote for Roavin at the last minute over Aumeltopia. Roavin was assumed by the coup perpetrators to be more likely to support their coup and therefore more valuable to have in the South Pacifican Delegacy.

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The Coalition of the South Pacific is the oldest extant democracy in NationStates, and it is both our duty and our heritage to promote the democratic ideals that have led to the longevity and prosperity of this great region. Promoting these democratic ideals does not only mean advocating for them, and fighting for them as we have done once again, but also condemning violations of these principles wherever they are abused and violated.

For the acts mentioned above, the Cabinet together with the Council on Regional Security hereby issue the following proscriptions, to take effect immediately:

The Rahl family shall be considered regionally proscribed as per Article 1.1.a (overthrowing the legitimate government of an ally), 1.1.d (Exploiting, manipulating, or unduly influencing elections or votes), 1.2 (Conspiracy), and 1.3 (Complicity) of the Proscription Act. The reasons are detailed and illustrated with screenshots above, and should be obvious to any reader.

Furthermore, any member of the Rahl family that is a current or former Head of House, Patriarch, or Matriarch shall be considered fully proscribed for the same reasons. These individuals form the "inner circle" of the family, the one responsible for planning their political machinations, while compartmentalizing access so that regular members, unaware, can be used alternately as shields or pawns.

The individuals known as Fedele/Scardino, Aleister/Lamb Stone, Funkadelia, and Davelands shall be considered regionally proscribed as per Article 1.1.a (overthrowing the legitimate government of an ally), 1.1.d (Exploiting, manipulating, or unduly influencing elections or votes), 1.2 (Conspiracy) of the Proscription Act. The reasons are detailed and illustrated by screenshots above, and should be obvious to any reader. In the case of Aleister and Funkadelia, this proscription stands in addition to their extant proscription for similar bad faith acts in Lazarus.

Tim Stark shall be considered regionally proscribed as per Article 1.2 (Conspiracy) of the Proscription Act for taking part in the planning of this coup from at least June to August of this year.

The individuals known as Dalimbar, Kshrlmnt/Elindra, Arkadia Universalis/United Arkadia, and Neenee/Minineenee shall be considered regionally proscribed as per Article 1.3 (Complicity) for their role as imported voters in the East Pacific. This item is separate and in addition to their coverage by other proscriptions, if applicable.

We encourage other regions in the world, particularly our fellow game-created regions, to recognize the Rahl threat for what it is and take similar measures against them.

Signed,

The Cabinet of the South Pacific
The Council on Regional Security
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Cormactopia Prime
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Postby Cormactopia Prime » Tue Oct 15, 2019 1:19 pm

A good move by the South Pacific, and I hope to see other regions, game-created and user-created alike, soon following suit.
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Davelands
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Postby Davelands » Tue Oct 15, 2019 1:20 pm

MY FIRST PROSCRIPTION!!! YEA!

Thank you!
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Frattastan IV
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Postby Frattastan IV » Tue Oct 15, 2019 1:24 pm

"She wasn't inside enough to see planning or any other internal stuff among the Patriarchs" sounds dystopian and creepy af, by the way. :P
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Dream Killers
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Postby Dream Killers » Tue Oct 15, 2019 1:41 pm

Nakarisaune wrote:
The individuals known as [...] Cain/Dream Killers shall be considered regionally proscribed as per Article 1.3 (Complicity) for their role as imported voters in the East Pacific. This item is separate and in addition to their coverage by other proscriptions, if applicable.

We encourage other regions in the world, particularly our fellow game-created regions, to recognize the Rahl threat for what it is and take similar measures against them.

Signed,

The Cabinet of the South Pacific
The Council on Regional Security[/align][/box]


Sorry to disappoint you but I never did this.

Source: https://forum.theeastpacific.com/june-2 ... 2-s30.html
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Davelands
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Postby Davelands » Tue Oct 15, 2019 1:46 pm

Dream Killers wrote:Sorry to disappoint you but I never did this.
Source: https://forum.theeastpacific.com/june-2 ... 2-s30.html

Yeah, I can confirm that Cain was not even a citizen or even in TEP for the past year.
Now, if someone from TSP had come to me first, I would have cleared things up, but that would have gotten in the way of their righteous indignation.

EDIT: (fixed my signature)
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Nakarisaune
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Postby Nakarisaune » Tue Oct 15, 2019 1:48 pm

Dream Killers wrote:
Nakarisaune wrote:
The individuals known as [...] Cain/Dream Killers shall be considered regionally proscribed as per Article 1.3 (Complicity) for their role as imported voters in the East Pacific. This item is separate and in addition to their coverage by other proscriptions, if applicable.

We encourage other regions in the world, particularly our fellow game-created regions, to recognize the Rahl threat for what it is and take similar measures against them.

Signed,

The Cabinet of the South Pacific
The Council on Regional Security[/align][/box]


Sorry to disappoint you but I never did this.

Source: https://forum.theeastpacific.com/june-2 ... 2-s30.html


Apologies - we had a list of those who they requested to vote, and a list of those who actually did. Everyone else on the list both was asked to vote in the screenshots and did in fact vote. You were accidentally included on the list of those who did, and will be removed. Thanks.
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Davelands
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Postby Davelands » Tue Oct 15, 2019 1:51 pm

Nakarisaune wrote:Apologies - we had a list of those who they requested to vote, and a list of those who actually did. Everyone else on the list both was asked to vote in the screenshots and did in fact vote. You were accidentally included on the list of those who did, and will be removed. Thanks.

Shoddy work... tsk, tsk
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Dream Killers
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Postby Dream Killers » Tue Oct 15, 2019 1:51 pm

Nakarisaune wrote:
Dream Killers wrote:
Sorry to disappoint you but I never did this.

Source: https://forum.theeastpacific.com/june-2 ... 2-s30.html


Apologies - we had a list of those who they requested to vote, and a list of those who actually did. Everyone else on the list both was asked to vote in the screenshots and did in fact vote. You were accidentally included on the list of those who did, and will be removed. Thanks.


Appreciated.
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Lord Dominator
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Postby Lord Dominator » Tue Oct 15, 2019 1:54 pm

I appreciate the pun & fascinating information.
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Flying Falcons
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Postby Flying Falcons » Tue Oct 15, 2019 2:00 pm

Toads. was. Lightyears head of this game. warned you all. They banned him because of this.

Toads knew and warned and you all sat back and mocked toads. Just like the NPO drama he told you about you all ran him off the game.

All he did was show truth.

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Llorens
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Postby Llorens » Tue Oct 15, 2019 2:02 pm

Davelands wrote:
Nakarisaune wrote:Apologies - we had a list of those who they requested to vote, and a list of those who actually did. Everyone else on the list both was asked to vote in the screenshots and did in fact vote. You were accidentally included on the list of those who did, and will be removed. Thanks.

Shoddy work... tsk, tsk

I seem to remember some other shoddy work also... was it a failed coup of TEP? ;)
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ArenaC
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Postby ArenaC » Tue Oct 15, 2019 2:21 pm

Davelands wrote:
Nakarisaune wrote:Apologies - we had a list of those who they requested to vote, and a list of those who actually did. Everyone else on the list both was asked to vote in the screenshots and did in fact vote. You were accidentally included on the list of those who did, and will be removed. Thanks.

Shoddy work... tsk, tsk

Like that coup you failed at completing, David?
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Aleister
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Postby Aleister » Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:46 pm

Like I said in the other thread:

"Tim was isolated from the actual group chat since like July maybe earlier...

But if you want to know why it failed, hit me up! I'm just as baffled in a lot of ways at the performance."

Also, I stand by my statement that Roavin is way cooler than Somyrion and I think it's hilarious that was included in this post! :rofl:

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Postby Queen Yuno » Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:25 pm

Dream Killers wrote:
Nakarisaune wrote:
The individuals known as [...] Cain/Dream Killers shall be considered regionally proscribed as per Article 1.3 (Complicity) for their role as imported voters in the East Pacific. This item is separate and in addition to their coverage by other proscriptions, if applicable.

We encourage other regions in the world, particularly our fellow game-created regions, to recognize the Rahl threat for what it is and take similar measures against them.

Signed,

The Cabinet of the South Pacific
The Council on Regional Security[/align][/box]


Sorry to disappoint you but I never did this.

Source: https://forum.theeastpacific.com/june-2 ... 2-s30.html


No. You participated in much worse.
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Tim-Opolis
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Postby Tim-Opolis » Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:30 pm

If you’re going to use my logs, have the decency to credit me eh?
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Nakarisaune
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Postby Nakarisaune » Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:45 pm

Tim-Opolis wrote:If you’re going to use my logs, have the decency to credit me eh?


With so many anonymous logs flying around it honestly didn't cross my mind that crediting logs was a thing. :P Apologies, I can add that in.
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Postby Lord Dominator » Tue Oct 15, 2019 5:05 pm

Nakarisaune wrote:
Tim-Opolis wrote:If you’re going to use my logs, have the decency to credit me eh?


With so many anonymous logs flying around it honestly didn't cross my mind that crediting logs was a thing. :P Apologies, I can add that in.

Agreed, that's something I've never heard of before, though amusing.
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Tim-Opolis
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Postby Tim-Opolis » Tue Oct 15, 2019 7:19 pm

Nakarisaune wrote:
Tim-Opolis wrote:If you’re going to use my logs, have the decency to credit me eh?


With so many anonymous logs flying around it honestly didn't cross my mind that crediting logs was a thing. :P Apologies, I can add that in.

Good thing then that my release wasn’t anonymous, and that literally all the logs you are using come from my release ;)

Do your fucking research next time
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Cormactopia Prime
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Postby Cormactopia Prime » Tue Oct 15, 2019 7:39 pm

Tim-Opolis wrote:Good thing then that my release wasn’t anonymous, and that literally all the logs you are using come from my release ;)

Do your fucking research next time

I think her point was usually people who leak logs wish to remain anonymous, so it just never occurred to her to credit anyone, even though you weren't anonymous. I think it's a fair point, given in my 7 1/2 years of playing NS I don't recall ever seeing anyone credited for a log leak.

In any case, she said she would credit you, so I think "do your fucking research next time" was a tone that was uncalled for to say the least.
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Escade
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Postby Escade » Tue Oct 15, 2019 7:42 pm

Cormactopia Prime wrote:
Tim-Opolis wrote:Good thing then that my release wasn’t anonymous, and that literally all the logs you are using come from my release ;)

Do your fucking research next time

I think her point was usually people who leak logs wish to remain anonymous, so it just never occurred to her to credit anyone, even though you weren't anonymous. I think it's a fair point, given in my 7 1/2 years of playing NS I don't recall ever seeing anyone credited for a log leak.

In any case, she said she would credit you, so I think "do your fucking research next time" was a tone that was uncalled for to say the least.


I mean the irony is strong here so I don't think the tone is uncalled for. It seems like TSP finally found something real to ban Tim for otherwise the "tone" would be used to cry boo hoo and fake another ban. Or wait, is that the next step?

:roll:
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The tanks of herp
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Postby The tanks of herp » Tue Oct 15, 2019 7:45 pm

Is it ok if I post here again?

Last time I did I got yelled at :(

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Borovan entered the region as he
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Postby Borovan entered the region as he » Tue Oct 15, 2019 8:38 pm

The tanks of herp wrote:Is it ok if I post here again?

Last time I did I got yelled at :(

Not a representative but I'll would assume that it's not ideal to be posting funny stuff like doggos delivering package to ppl on the forum that would be reserved for government foreign or citizens announcement. It makes it look mess up the government announcements or official business. Any funny stuff can belong in the another place. You can still be funny but must be done appropriately. That being said someone else can like clarify better easier.

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Postby Escade » Tue Oct 15, 2019 8:42 pm

The tanks of herp wrote:Is it ok if I post here again?

Last time I did I got yelled at :(



Hey you, hope you've been doing well. I'm not sure what happened as I generally don't follow this thread but no one can keep you from posting anywhere as long as it's not spammy or breaking rules. Or just come hang out in TEP, like most of NS it's not without its quandries but at least its not a quagmire of repulsive behavior like this particular region.

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Postby North Prarie » Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:04 pm

Escade wrote:
The tanks of herp wrote:Is it ok if I post here again?

Last time I did I got yelled at :(



Hey you, hope you've been doing well. I'm not sure what happened as I generally don't follow this thread but no one can keep you from posting anywhere as long as it's not spammy or breaking rules. Or just come hang out in TEP, like most of NS it's not without its quandries but at least its not a quagmire of repulsive behavior like this particular region.

did you just call a region you were banned from a “quagmire of disgusting behavior” and then advertise for a region that just got couped by your political allies
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