Abortion: Pro-Choice or Pro-Life?

[Lunatic Goofballs]

I was gonna check that actually. It did seem very hit and runnish.

Awfully suspicious to have one's "Forum last visited" time be the same to the minute as the time one posted one's thread. Especially when it's a post that clearly took some time and contrivance to write.

Or did it? *pulls out a magnifying glass and starts checking for clues*

[Ifreann]

Awfully suspicious to have one's "Forum last visited" time be the same to the minute as the time one posted one's thread. Especially when it's a post that clearly took some time and contrivance to write.

Or did it? *pulls out a magnifying glass and starts checking for clues*

Don't forget your bubble pipe and hat!

[Lunatic Goofballs]

Or did it? *pulls out a magnifying glass and starts checking for clues*

Don't forget your bubble pipe and hat!

That would be imprudent.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

After careful examination, the OP does not appear to be the puppet of a long standing nation. Based on his prior activity with this and any other puppets he may have, appears to be an infrequent poster in general and it's only been a few hours. In addition, I can find no evidence of copypasta. So I am content to leave the thread for a bit longer. I may lock it if the OP has abandoned the thread; seeing that it is in the vicinity of the 'trolling' line.

[Sanctissima]

A Modest Proposal

[Austria and Bavaria]

Great job making sweeping generalizations about people you clearly don't know.

Considering the fact that lots of "pro-lifers" are already lining up to not adopt children, I doubt it's an inaccurate generalization...

You don't get out and actually meet many Pro-Lifers do you?

[Lunatic Goofballs]

Considering the fact that lots of "pro-lifers" are already lining up to not adopt children, I doubt it's an inaccurate generalization...

You do get out and actually meet many Pro-Lifers do you?

I have a good friend who is pro-life. He's very religious. However, he practices what he preaches. He's generous, forgiving and non-judgmental. He and his wife ARE foster parents for two youngsters they are now raising along with their own daughter. It's probably why we're such good friends.

[Kazarogkai]

I always figured the best solution to the debate of both abortions and unwanted children in general(orphans, Runaways,etc) was a super soldier program of sorts whereby said children will be used in military applications as combat soldiers. They will be reared until they reach roughly the age of 8 and when that occurs their training will begin for the next 8 years for when they become 16 years of age and are ready to take their place. They will be trained to think of nothing of nothing but the military and their identity will be of the military. They will never surrender, they will only retreat when told to, they will not think for themselves and only care for whatever orders they have been given(even if it means death), and they will be far better trained then their predecessors. Best of all we wont even have to pay them except with nourishment and shelter, as a result we actually may save some money. Not only that since they are totally expendable, nobody wants them and nobody cares, we have to care less about wasting resources on life saving equipment that reduce collateral damage but are far less effective than they could be. All the advantages of drones(obedient, disciplined, No retirement ) without all the drawbacks(need for human caretakers, ability to be hacked, etc). We will make use of them until they become too sickly and injure riddled or die and at which point they will be retired(euthanize, organs harvested, cremated). They will only move when the state wishes so, they will only kill when the state wishes so, they will only think when the state wishes so, they will be the ultimate killing machines whose purpose and desire is nothing but the fulfillment of the states desires and the terrorizing and ultimate extermination of the states enemies. They will be the perfect soldiers.

Pro-life is happy because no babies are being "murdered".
Pro-Choice is happy because they don't have to have children they do not wish to have.

Everyone's happy.

Best of all war fatigue will be lowered among the general population who will not have to share the burden of war except via taxation. No more news media outlets making stories about how "the goberment killed my son in this unjust war" for no one will want these children and care about them in the slightest(they were just about to abort them anyways) as such they are completely expendable for no one will care if they die. figures of combat casualties will not have to be shown in broad daylight, or letters sent home since it's not like these people are wanted or desired as such again we won't have protest from the general public which is generated by casualties among troops. They have no families nor friends or connections as such people will be able to associate themselves with them dying, since it's not like they will ever be in their shoes. No more conscription or need to recruit volunteers, we will have a nice ready base of troops ready at a moments notice.

In order to help this along though we should extend this order to any unwanted children who are below the age of 8. Runaways, orphans, former slaves from human smugglers, children from abusive homes and currently in foster care, the children of unfit parents, alongside the normal "aborted" children. "Abortion" will in this case more or less having the woman in question wait until she is roughly 6 months pregnant(or the earliest we can with modern medicine) and then inducing pregnancy while at the same time hoping her up on tremendous amounts of painkillers(that or place her in deep sleep) and then taking the kid away. No harm no foul. Woman in question has what she wanted, no kid, and state has it's soldier. The main reason for abortion is people sometimes do not want to have a kid, this makes it so that that desire is fulfilled while also bringing about a productive end for the state.

[Dyakovo]

Considering the fact that lots of "pro-lifers" are already lining up to not adopt children, I doubt it's an inaccurate generalization...

You don't get out and actually meet many Pro-Lifers do you?

So most "pro-lifers" are making an effort to adopt all the children languishing in fostercare? The sheer number of American children awaiting adoption indicates otherwise.

[Anywhere Else But Here]

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[American Imperial Union]

I think with the exception of rape and molestation, those women " sowed their own oats", as they say in my home country.

You are responsible for your own actions. Don't have sex unless you are able to handle the potential consequences. If you attempt to murder or successful murder a baby you should be arrested, tried charged and convicted for first degree murder and hung /shot/guilottined. Guillotine is my preference, I think it is more humane.

[Kazarogkai]

I think with the exception of rape and molestation, those women " sowed their own oats", as they say in my home country.

You are responsible for your own actions. Don't have sex unless you are able to handle the potential consequences. If you attempt to murder or successful murder a baby you should be arrested, tried charged and convicted for first degree murder and hung /shot/guilottined. Guillotine is my preference, I think it is more humane.

Mental illness is a thing... also in many abortions are a result of medical need, they have to get an abortion in order to not die and the like. Just putting it out there.

Personally I would allow Abortion on demand in the first trimester while making it legal in the second and third for cases of maternal life, mental health, health, rape, fetal defects, and/or socioeconomic factors.

[Dyakovo]

I think with the exception of rape and molestation, those women " sowed their own oats", as they say in my home country.

You are responsible for your own actions. Don't have sex unless you are able to handle the potential consequences. If you attempt to murder or successful murder a baby you should be arrested, tried charged and convicted for first degree murder and hung /shot/guilottined. Guillotine is my preference, I think it is more humane.

Mental illness is a thing... also in many abortions are a result of medical need, they have to get an abortion in order to not die and the like. Just putting it out there.

Personally I would allow Abortion on demand in the first trimester while making it legal in the second and third for cases of maternal life, mental health, health, rape, fetal defects, and/or socioeconomic factors.

Better yet, stop thinking you know better than the woman and her doctor what is best for her.

[American Imperial Union]

Mental illness is a thing... also in many abortions are a result of medical need, they have to get an abortion in order to not die and the like. Just putting it out there.

Personally I would allow Abortion on demand in the first trimester while making it legal in the second and third for cases of maternal life, mental health, health, rape, fetal defects, and/or socioeconomic factors.

Better yet, stop thinking you know better than the woman and her doctor what is best for her.

I don't, she should just be responsible for her actions.

Or do you think she is too dumb to know that sex creates babies? And the mentally ill should be sterilized if they are dependant.

[The United Colonies of Earth]

Has anyone noticed yet that the first letter of each paragraph in the OP spells out 'A Modest Proposal'?

I thought it was gibber.
This won't solve the problem. Rather, the anti-abortionists will be inflamed by such a program and probably launch some Butlerian Jihad on the brain storage facilities.

[Nioya]

I feel one important aspect in this debate is the existence of a soul.

[New DeCapito]

Better yet, stop thinking you know better than the woman and her doctor what is best for her.

I don't, she should just be responsible for her actions.

Or do you think she is too dumb to know that sex creates babies? And the mentally ill should be sterilized if they are dependant.

The first bit I can counter with the fact that the child would be raised in a non-caring family. The second slid into insanity. The third is called eugenics.

[American Imperial Union]

I don't, she should just be responsible for her actions.

Or do you think she is too dumb to know that sex creates babies? And the mentally ill should be sterilized if they are dependant.

The first bit I can counter with the fact that the child would be raised in a non-caring family. The second slid into insanity. The third is called eugenics.

Babies should only be born to people who want them? That's demographically dangerous to our race. Having babies is a responsibility, getting married to an opposite sex person is a responsibility to society for mentally and physically fit persons with good genes.

[Dyakovo]

Better yet, stop thinking you know better than the woman and her doctor what is best for her.

I don't

You clearly do.

she should just be responsible for her actions.
Having a abortion is taking responsibility.

Or do you think she is too dumb to know that sex creates babies?

Having sex, even without contraceptives, rarely results in a baby.

And the mentally ill should be sterilized if they are dependant.

I have no idea whatsoever where this idiocy came from.

[Dyakovo]

I feel one important aspect in this debate is the existence of a soul.

Okay. Feel free to prove the existence of a soul.

[The United Colonies of Earth]

I feel one important aspect in this debate is the existence of a soul.

Okay. Feel free to prove the existence of a soul.

I thought that if one existed it would probably just die with you, as an emergent process of the brain...but I dunno how to prove any of that so I'll just hit-and-run here.

[Infected Mushroom]

The abortion debate has a very simple solution.

Just make it legal and always legal in all and every instance. There's just absolutely no downside to it whatsoever.

[Othelos]

I don't think it's every going to seriously conclude, but it would be best if everyone read up on why women get abortions in the first place before making judgments.

[Diopolis]

The title says it's a solution to the abortion debate, but the OP offers nothing of the sort.

[Othelos]

The title says it's a solution to the abortion debate, but the OP offers nothing of the sort.

did you read the whole thing? I couldn't get past the second paragraph.