Repeal the NFA?

[Republic of Coldwater]

For those who don't know, here in America, one of the biggest federal gun laws is the National Firearms Act of 1934. What the law does is that it regulates rifles with barrels less than 16 inches, shotguns with barrels less than 18 inches, and fully automatic weapons. You can still own SBRs, SBS' and full auto weapons, but it requires you to fill out a long, meticulous and highly bureaucratic process that also requires you to pay $200 to the ATF.

Read more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act

So NSG, what should we do with the NFA? Strengthen it by banning all fully automatic weapons? Increasing the tax stamp and adjust it for inflation? Or should we repeal it?

[Zorga]

Ban it boy! 100% for the repeal!

[Big Jim P]

Repeal it along with any other gun-control law that goes beyond the Second Amendment (essentially all of them).

[Republic of Coldwater]

Repeal it along with any other gun-control law that goes beyond the Second Amendment (essentially all of them).

YES!

Full auto AR-15 for $800 instead of $80,000

[Gun Manufacturers]

For those who don't know, here in America, one of the biggest federal gun laws is the National Firearms Act of 1934. What the law does is that it regulates rifles with barrels less than 16 inches, shotguns with barrels less than 18 inches, and fully automatic weapons. You can still own SBRs, SBS' and full auto weapons, but it requires you to fill out a long, meticulous and highly bureaucratic process that also requires you to pay $200 to the ATF.

Read more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act

So NSG, what should we do with the NFA? Strengthen it by banning all fully automatic weapons? Increasing the tax stamp and adjust it for inflation? Or should we repeal it?

What's your opinion?

I don't care for the NFA, but if I had to choose ONE thing to repeal, it would be the Hughes amendment to FOPA, which did nothing at all to reduce crime.

[Gun Manufacturers]

Repeal it along with any other gun-control law that goes beyond the Second Amendment (essentially all of them).

YES!

Full auto AR-15 for $800 instead of $80,000

Last time I looked, they were $15k-$20k.

[Big Jim P]

YES!

Full auto AR-15 for $800 instead of $80,000

Last time I looked, they were $15k-$20k.

And really only useful for wasting expensive ammo.

[Republic of Coldwater]

For those who don't know, here in America, one of the biggest federal gun laws is the National Firearms Act of 1934. What the law does is that it regulates rifles with barrels less than 16 inches, shotguns with barrels less than 18 inches, and fully automatic weapons. You can still own SBRs, SBS' and full auto weapons, but it requires you to fill out a long, meticulous and highly bureaucratic process that also requires you to pay $200 to the ATF.

Read more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act

So NSG, what should we do with the NFA? Strengthen it by banning all fully automatic weapons? Increasing the tax stamp and adjust it for inflation? Or should we repeal it?

What's your opinion?

I don't care for the NFA, but if I had to choose ONE thing to repeal, it would be the Hughes amendment to FOPA, which did nothing at all to reduce crime.

Oops, forgot to include.

Basically I support repealing the NFA and all of the other gun laws in place. The 16" Barrel regulation is simply absurd, as it is still possible to conceal a 16" Barrel weapon, especially when they are in a bullpup format, and there has yet to be a credible study that shows that shorter barrels somehow contribute to more crime and create a more deadly weapon. If anything, shorter barrels actually decrease the range and accuracy of a weapon. Not only do I support repealing the NFA, I also support repealing the Hughes Amendment, as it has been circumvented thousands of times. Bumpfire stocks, light pull triggers.

The NFA won't stop any crime, nothing says it would stop any crime, as light pull triggers (still Semi-Auto) and bump fire stocks (ATF says its still semi-auto) can circumvent the tax stamp, and shorter barrels won't somehow be more dangerous. Really, all laws on guns are unconstitutional and should be repealed as they are illegal and completely ineffective at killing people. Also note that the FBI report shows that 323 people died of rifles, the vast majority of gun crime victims are pistol victims.

[Republic of Coldwater]

YES!

Full auto AR-15 for $800 instead of $80,000

Last time I looked, they were $15k-$20k.

Still, they are quite expensive, and the law has been circumvented many times.

[Grinning Dragon]

Yes, 100% + infinity, repeal it, along with the gca, and the hughes amendment.

[Paddy O Fernature]

Yes, 100% + infinity, repeal it, along with the gca, and the hughes amendment.

^ This.

[Dyakovo]

For those who don't know, here in America, one of the biggest federal gun laws is the National Firearms Act of 1934. What the law does is that it regulates rifles with barrels less than 16 inches, shotguns with barrels less than 18 inches, and fully automatic weapons. You can still own SBRs, SBS' and full auto weapons, but it requires you to fill out a long, meticulous and highly bureaucratic process that also requires you to pay $200 to the ATF.

Read more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act

So NSG, what should we do with the NFA? Strengthen it by banning all fully automatic weapons? Increasing the tax stamp and adjust it for inflation? Or should we repeal it?

Strengthen it.

[Ifreann]

Ban everything except ye olde muskets. Because it would be funny.

[Republic of Coldwater]

For those who don't know, here in America, one of the biggest federal gun laws is the National Firearms Act of 1934. What the law does is that it regulates rifles with barrels less than 16 inches, shotguns with barrels less than 18 inches, and fully automatic weapons. You can still own SBRs, SBS' and full auto weapons, but it requires you to fill out a long, meticulous and highly bureaucratic process that also requires you to pay $200 to the ATF.

Read more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act

So NSG, what should we do with the NFA? Strengthen it by banning all fully automatic weapons? Increasing the tax stamp and adjust it for inflation? Or should we repeal it?

Strengthen it.

How?

Hopefully you don't include so called "military style" assault rifles, since free standing pistol grips and retractable stocks aren't really going to help or deter you in a shooting.

[Republic of Coldwater]

Ban everything except ye olde muskets. Because it would be funny.

Yeah a .58 Caliber Minie Ball isn't the nicest thing to be hit by.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini%C3%A9_ball

[Equusia]

SBR restrictions don't make any sense, but remove fully automatic weapon restrictions? I know I am going to sound like an anti-gunner when I say this, but there is no use for a fully automatic weapon.

[Ifreann]

Ban everything except ye olde muskets. Because it would be funny.

Yeah a .58 Caliber Minie Ball isn't the nicest thing to be hit by.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini%C3%A9_ball

I defy you to find a bullet that is nice to be hit by.

[Ashmoria]

we should modernize it and add on a bunch of new regulations.

[Valaran]

Ban everything except ye olde muskets. Because it would be funny.

Keep blunderbusses as well, for the same logic.

[Kelinfort]

Modernise, but not repeal. I usually support gun rights, but there is a point where it becomes ridiculous.

[Republic of Coldwater]

Yeah a .58 Caliber Minie Ball isn't the nicest thing to be hit by.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini%C3%A9_ball

I defy you to find a bullet that is nice to be hit by.

My point's that a Minie ball is probably one of the deadliest things to be hit by. One minie ball that hits your bones, and you get an amputation.

Oh yeah, how will you stop people from forming black markets and owning pistols, rifles, machine guns and other weapons that you would need to ban (like 95% of the weapons in the USA)? Banning all modern weapons probably one of the most unenforceable laws, as with such a demand for something beyond a gun that can fire 2-3 rounds a minute, there would inevitably be a black market being formed. Its already happening on the Deep Web, and with 3D Printers and other technologies, gun control is becoming one of the hardest things to control. Now it costs as little as $1200 to have a gun making 3D printer, and there are other 3D printers that can print aluminum and other materials. Are we going to ban metal (and carbon fiber, and other hard material) printing 3D printers now?

Finally, there are an estimated 270 million guns in the USA, probably 269 million of them are non-muskets. How can you stop transactions of such firearms when it is becoming increasingly hard to even control the manufacture of such weapons?

http://www.wired.com/2014/10/cody-wilson-ghost-gunner/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1911_pist ... ts_replica)

[Valaran]

Being a non-american, I never understood gun rights.

But, eh, different values and all. I support whatever kills less people, though this is not necessarily more gun regulation in the case of the US (it usually is elsewhere though).

[Ifreann]

I defy you to find a bullet that is nice to be hit by.

My point's that a Minie ball is probably one of the deadliest things to be hit by. One minie ball that hits your bones, and you get an amputation.

I said ban guns, not travel back in time to the 1800s.

Oh yeah, how will you stop people from forming black markets and owning pistols, rifles, machine guns and other weapons that you would need to ban (like 95% of the weapons in the USA)?

Because it would be funny.

guise wat is joek

[Teemant]

I don't see why automatic weapon is as deadly as semi-automatic. I see no reason why they should be banned.

[The Tyler]

A handgun should be considered legal to own. However tougher restrictions should be created to minimize the use, acquisition and ownership of fully automatic weapons and assault rifles.