by Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Fri Apr 18, 2014 3:57 pm
by NERVUN » Fri Apr 18, 2014 4:27 pm
by Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Fri Apr 18, 2014 4:36 pm
NERVUN wrote:When we've done this dance two or three times, then we start talking about DOS.
by NERVUN » Fri Apr 18, 2014 4:41 pm
by Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Fri Apr 18, 2014 4:46 pm
NERVUN wrote:Hopefully not. Hopefully losing a nation makes someone pull back. Losing two should be a clear sign that something's wrong.
But, yes, I have seen people go from 0 to DOS within a week and having lost a couple of nations in the process.
by Totally Not Leningrad Union » Fri Apr 18, 2014 6:10 pm
NERVUN wrote:There's no hard and fast rule, but in general it's usually informal warning > warning(s) > short ban > longer ban > DEAT. When we've done this dance two or three times, then we start talking about DOS.
Now mind you, DOS is applied when it becomes apparent that the user in question is simply not going to follow the rules. That's why we say we take history into consideration, is this the same ol' from the same ol'? Have we tried the whole list a few times? Well then... But, of course, we do make exceptions for insta-DOS when we run into something that is completely unacceptable including porn, gore, or threats to the game.
by Dyakovo » Fri Apr 18, 2014 6:18 pm
Totally Not Leningrad Union wrote:NERVUN wrote:There's no hard and fast rule, but in general it's usually informal warning > warning(s) > short ban > longer ban > DEAT. When we've done this dance two or three times, then we start talking about DOS.
Now mind you, DOS is applied when it becomes apparent that the user in question is simply not going to follow the rules. That's why we say we take history into consideration, is this the same ol' from the same ol'? Have we tried the whole list a few times? Well then... But, of course, we do make exceptions for insta-DOS when we run into something that is completely unacceptable including porn, gore, or threats to the game.
By this logic, Yehuddah and I should be DOS by now.
by Forsher » Fri Apr 18, 2014 7:02 pm
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote: DoS (that is often interpreted, also with a context-based tone for humor, as short for Deleted on Sight).
Some of us are also increasingly surprised with the way how some of these rules are applied, causing people to wonder why long-term, experienced users with seemingly well-endowed social and intellectual skills have deletions of accounts for a list of historical engagement in the aforementioned abuses.
But, as far as I could tell, we've never exactly been told what would be counted to a thermometer with tolerance for your behavior as a long-term forum poster, especially these with no particularly yawning, cumbersome individual rule-violations (e.g. everything past non-PG-13 and flaming but short of gore-spamming or potentially compromising the sites' status in either security, technical or law terms - to which what leads to a DoS status would be obvious), in spite or not of your status as a player who already lost a nation.
Totally Not Leningrad Union wrote:NERVUN wrote:There's no hard and fast rule, but in general it's usually informal warning > warning(s) > short ban > longer ban > DEAT. When we've done this dance two or three times, then we start talking about DOS.
Now mind you, DOS is applied when it becomes apparent that the user in question is simply not going to follow the rules. That's why we say we take history into consideration, is this the same ol' from the same ol'? Have we tried the whole list a few times? Well then... But, of course, we do make exceptions for insta-DOS when we run into something that is completely unacceptable including porn, gore, or threats to the game.
By this logic, Yehuddah and I should be DOS by now? I've heard mixed things about DOS. I hear it's just when you get DEATed over and over during a period of time, but I also hear that it is only for the worst people (i.e. Verbluffen, Kazakov). Please enlighten me.
by NERVUN » Fri Apr 18, 2014 8:08 pm
Totally Not Leningrad Union wrote:NERVUN wrote:There's no hard and fast rule, but in general it's usually informal warning > warning(s) > short ban > longer ban > DEAT. When we've done this dance two or three times, then we start talking about DOS.
Now mind you, DOS is applied when it becomes apparent that the user in question is simply not going to follow the rules. That's why we say we take history into consideration, is this the same ol' from the same ol'? Have we tried the whole list a few times? Well then... But, of course, we do make exceptions for insta-DOS when we run into something that is completely unacceptable including porn, gore, or threats to the game.
By this logic, Yehuddah and I should be DOS by now? I've heard mixed things about DOS. I hear it's just when you get DEATed over and over during a period of time, but I also hear that it is only for the worst people (i.e. Verbluffen, Kazakov). Please enlighten me.
by Totally Not Leningrad Union » Fri Apr 18, 2014 8:10 pm
NERVUN wrote:Totally Not Leningrad Union wrote:By this logic, Yehuddah and I should be DOS by now? I've heard mixed things about DOS. I hear it's just when you get DEATed over and over during a period of time, but I also hear that it is only for the worst people (i.e. Verbluffen, Kazakov). Please enlighten me.
DOS means Delete on Sight, it means you have been uninvited to play NationStates, your access to the site in any form has been revoked, and if and when we spot you, we will delete you. We are channeling our inner Zod and screaming "I will find you!" There's no "Well, let's think about this" or "He's been good" it's See = Kill. And yes, it is used for the worst. Getting multiple nations deleted may not trigger a DOS depending on circumstances. I mean, was it a case of posting past ban? That's not quite DOS. Now someone posting past ban to post pron... THAT would trigger a DOS.
by Frisbeeteria » Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:38 pm
by Liberonscien » Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:46 pm
Frisbeeteria wrote:...snip...
The upshot of this is that you're not at the mercy of a trigger-happy mod who you're currently battling. There's always an investigation by uninvolved mods (assuming we can find any that haven't interacted with that player), and there are appeal processes in place that permit the player to respond. I will point out that appeals are NOT unlimited - you can't simply keep appealing after a Final Appeal decision has been handed out. By the time we get to final appeal, every moderator has usually signed off on the decision one way or the other.
by Frisbeeteria » Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:53 pm
Liberonscien wrote:What if all the mods are involved though?
by Dyakovo » Fri Apr 18, 2014 11:00 pm
Frisbeeteria wrote:Liberonscien wrote:What if all the mods are involved though?
Then we do the obvious - we ask the lesser involved mods to run the investigation. Also, the mod team recognizes that some of us are better at some tasks than others. Some are good at thread trawls, some are good at technical investigations, some are good at interacting with parents / schools / police, some are good with tricky ethical / psychological / emotional analysis. And some of us are good at yapping about proposals or making tacos. We self-select the best tools for the job.
by Ballotonia » Fri Apr 18, 2014 11:12 pm
by Empire of Narnia » Fri Apr 18, 2014 11:14 pm
by Lunatic Goofballs » Sat Apr 19, 2014 2:16 am
Dyakovo wrote:Frisbeeteria wrote:Then we do the obvious - we ask the lesser involved mods to run the investigation. Also, the mod team recognizes that some of us are better at some tasks than others. Some are good at thread trawls, some are good at technical investigations, some are good at interacting with parents / schools / police, some are good with tricky ethical / psychological / emotional analysis. And some of us are good at yapping about proposals or making tacos. We self-select the best tools for the job.
You heard it here.
The Mods are tools.
*nods*
couldn't resist...
by Dread Lady Nathicana » Sat Apr 19, 2014 1:52 pm
Bolrieg wrote:What was Sir Walter (Dingletron) ordered DOS for was it the spud-spam or was it something else?
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