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Postby Dyakovo » Fri Nov 22, 2013 7:07 am

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Hurdegaryp wrote:Well, the Russian Orthodox church seems to think he's a gift from God, so why not?


Well, dunno about the gift from God part, but how anyone hate Putin? He is dah boss

Easily. He's a petty tyrant.
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Postby Arglorand » Fri Nov 22, 2013 7:07 am

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Why? I support him

He's homophobic, a religious nut, he jails his political opponents, and he supports dictators. I see no reason to like him.

Not to mention being one.
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Postby Divair » Fri Nov 22, 2013 7:08 am

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Divair wrote:He's homophobic, a religious nut, he jails his political opponents, and he supports dictators. I see no reason to like him.

Not to mention being one.

But.. but.. Medvedev! ;)
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Postby Inyourfaceistan » Fri Nov 22, 2013 7:08 am

The yoshin empire wrote:
DrakoLand wrote:
Well, dunno about the gift from God part, but how anyone hate Putin? He is dah boss

He is dah homophobic ,gullag makin , freedom breakin,, kgb reinstatin , ego inflatin, tsar impersonatin , king of russia


InB4 "Putin is friends with Assad who is greatest leader ever!"

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Postby Arglorand » Fri Nov 22, 2013 7:12 am

Divair wrote:
Arglorand wrote:Not to mention being one.

But.. but.. Medvedev! ;)

But... but... 102% turnout in some regions of the Northern Caucasus proves that the people love Putin!
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Postby DrakoLand » Fri Nov 22, 2013 7:12 am

Inyourfaceistan wrote:
The yoshin empire wrote:He is dah homophobic ,gullag makin , freedom breakin,, kgb reinstatin , ego inflatin, tsar impersonatin , king of russia


InB4 "Putin is friends with Assad who is greatest leader ever!"


Assad is by far the greatest, but still better than the terrorists that opposed him.
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Postby Divair » Fri Nov 22, 2013 7:13 am

Inyourfaceistan wrote:
The yoshin empire wrote:He is dah homophobic ,gullag makin , freedom breakin,, kgb reinstatin , ego inflatin, tsar impersonatin , king of russia


InB4 "Putin is friends with Assad who is greatest leader ever!"

Good leaders shoot up their own people.
*nod*

Not that the rebellion is innocent, but nobody forced Putin to take a side.

Arglorand wrote:
Divair wrote:But.. but.. Medvedev! ;)

But... but... 102% turnout in some regions of the Northern Caucasus proves that the people love Putin!

So democratic.
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Postby DrakoLand » Fri Nov 22, 2013 7:13 am

Arglorand wrote:
Divair wrote:But.. but.. Medvedev! ;)

But... but... 102% turnout in some regions of the Northern Caucasus proves that the people love Putin!


What's so bad about dictators?
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Fri Nov 22, 2013 7:16 am

DrakoLand wrote:
Arglorand wrote:But... but... 102% turnout in some regions of the Northern Caucasus proves that the people love Putin!

What's so bad about dictators?

You really have to ask? Tsk.
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Postby Divair » Fri Nov 22, 2013 7:16 am

Hurdegaryp wrote:
DrakoLand wrote:What's so bad about dictators?

You really have to ask? Tsk.

Tsk indeed.
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Postby DrakoLand » Fri Nov 22, 2013 7:16 am

Hurdegaryp wrote:
DrakoLand wrote:What's so bad about dictators?

You really have to ask? Tsk.


Yes I really have to ask.
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Fri Nov 22, 2013 7:17 am

Divair wrote:
Hurdegaryp wrote:You really have to ask? Tsk.

Tsk indeed.

The rampant lack of insight of some people should not surprise me anymore, but sometimes it still does. I really should stop doing that.
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Postby The yoshin empire » Fri Nov 22, 2013 7:17 am

DrakoLand wrote:
Hurdegaryp wrote:You really have to ask? Tsk.


Yes I really have to ask.

You really wanna know?
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Postby Inyourfaceistan » Fri Nov 22, 2013 7:17 am

DrakoLand wrote:
Inyourfaceistan wrote:
InB4 "Putin is friends with Assad who is greatest leader ever!"


Assad is by far the greatest, but still better than the terrorists that opposed him.


I never said the rebels were any better, I was just throwing that out there before Sourya Al-Assad or the like shows up and praises Putin for supporting their dear leader...

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Postby -Transilvania- » Fri Nov 22, 2013 7:18 am

Putin have right gentleman 8)
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Postby Rahm-Izad » Fri Nov 22, 2013 7:18 am

Wow, how short-sighted. Look at all of the former communist countries and what a great job the USSR did for them...the only reason Russia and Putin have their tendrils in Ukraine is because most of Europe's gas supplies come through there. If Ukraine joined the EU (which it should, only way it could get much worse there is if the Russians were in control again), it would be able to resist Putin.

...and really Russia, is Putin the best choice for leader? The guy lags behind Assad, Ahmedinejad and Berlesconi as one of the most infamous leaders/former leaders, but the guy thinks the Cold War is still going or something. He's a dinosaur of another political era.
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Postby Liriena » Fri Nov 22, 2013 7:21 am

I fail to see how this is worthy of celebration. Most of the time, when a nation flips the bird at an international organization with a strong stance for human rights, it's because said nation doesn't want to be held accountable for whatever insidious antics they are trying to pull back home.
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Postby Dyakovo » Fri Nov 22, 2013 7:21 am

Rahm-Izad wrote:Wow, how short-sighted. Look at all of the former communist countries Soviet satellite states and what a great job the USSR did for them...the only reason Russia and Putin have their tendrils in Ukraine is because most of Europe's gas supplies come through there. If Ukraine joined the EU (which it should, only way it could get much worse there is if the Russians were in control again), it would be able to resist Putin.

...and really Russia, is Putin the best choice for leader? The guy lags behind Assad, Ahmedinejad and Berlesconi as one of the most infamous leaders/former leaders, but the guy thinks the Cold War is still going or something. He's a dinosaur of another political era.

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Postby Inyourfaceistan » Fri Nov 22, 2013 7:21 am

Rahm-Izad wrote:Wow, how short-sighted. Look at all of the former communist countries and what a great job the USSR did for them...the only reason Russia and Putin have their tendrils in Ukraine is because most of Europe's gas supplies come through there. If Ukraine joined the EU (which it should, only way it could get much worse there is if the Russians were in control again), it would be able to resist Putin.

...and really Russia, is Putin the best choice for leader? The guy lags behind Assad, Ahmedinejad and Berlesconi as one of the most infamous leaders/former leaders, but the guy thinks the Cold War is still going or something. He's a dinosaur of another political era.


Or the Ukrainians could control their own damn resources, and remain independent from the EU...

Also, InB4 "You forgot George Bush" and "USSR waz capitalist pigs!"...

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Postby The yoshin empire » Fri Nov 22, 2013 7:22 am

-Transilvania- wrote:Putin have right gentleman 8)

Huh?
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Postby Draakonite » Fri Nov 22, 2013 7:23 am

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Postby Arglorand » Fri Nov 22, 2013 7:23 am

Inyourfaceistan wrote:Or the Ukrainians could control their own damn resources, and remain independent from the EU...

Except they couldn't. If you'd know even the remotest thing about Eastern Europe's political situation, you'd know that not integrating yourself further with the EU is basically drawing ever closer to a day when Putin gains economic control over your nation.
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Postby Divair » Fri Nov 22, 2013 7:25 am

Liriena wrote:I fail to see how this is worthy of celebration. Most of the time, when a nation flips the bird at an international organization with a strong stance for human rights, it's because said nation doesn't want to be held accountable for whatever insidious antics they are trying to pull back home.

Ah, Ukraine. You have no clue how bad the human rights situation is until you go there. I may have told this story before on NS, I cannot recall. I work a lot with orphanages in Ukraine (hence the dozen visits), and one story stands out every time Ukraine is mentioned. One kid "graduated" from an orphanage. Now you see, you need to understand that Ukraine's police have a quota system. So.. they decide to blame a murder on him despite a lack of evidence. He's taken to a jail full of incredibly sick, incredibly tough criminals. There, he is beaten and tortured (the most horrifying tactic was to put a gas mask on his head, and then drain the air) to attempt to get a confession out of him. The wife of the deceased told the courts that he wasn't the murderer. She "disappeared". Eventually, a group of people who supported this bloke (me included, which is why I know all this) hired a very experienced lawyer from the States to come and deal with the case. It took a long time, and the lawyer was heavily injured after an assassination attempt, but we managed to get him on an EU torture watch-list. In the middle of the night a few years ago, he was randomly released from jail after the state had gotten sick of his supporters.


Ukraine. Not even once.
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Postby Lipnitia » Fri Nov 22, 2013 7:25 am

The EU does nothing but sucks out money from poor nations. I'm sure it'll break-up, sooner or later.
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Postby DrakoLand » Fri Nov 22, 2013 7:25 am

Arglorand wrote:
Inyourfaceistan wrote:Or the Ukrainians could control their own damn resources, and remain independent from the EU...

Except they couldn't. If you'd know even the remotest thing about Eastern Europe's political situation, you'd know that not integrating yourself further with the EU is basically drawing ever closer to a day when Putin gains economic control over your nation.


And how is that worse than ending up like Greece?
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