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Postby The Licentian Isles » Mon Nov 11, 2013 5:12 pm

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Oh Christ, Farfadillis?

Wait a second, hear me out, he’s a nice guy.

Sort of.

Farfadillis is a very, very… special nation. There’s somewhat of a gap between the rich and the poor, even though the government is pretty centrist (it just happens that politics in Farfadillis is a joke). There are nine states: Ferdullaele, Frion, Induja, Pacifista, Shojercia, Shotomalpa, Karuvis, Puerto Farolero and the poorest, most despised, most avoided, most dangerous, Ruland. The Farf Department of Statistics is known for utterly exaggerating, though some of their statistics are not that far from reality (Like the statistic that says that there’s a 110% chance of you being shot if you’re in Ruland). Ruland is, however, the place where many good Farf footballers are born, such as Yurpá Mêndêlöíndçêl and Risko Kâí. Also, the names of the Rulandese are very difficult to type. The FFFF (Freisan Farf Freitball Francitian), the governing body for football, is known for being one of the least organized and most incompetent federations around the world.

Matches can and will be delayed by twelve hours without previous notice.

The national team is known throughout the world, even if they’re not particularly successful. They’re considered an up and rising team, having debuted in World Cup 60, sky-rocketing to the quarterfinals in just four World Cups. They’re now ranked 23rd in the world. They’re renowned for their insanely attacking style, and their abundance of midfielders and strikers, while defenders struggle to excel. Their most notable players are Friekder Dandalleion, who has been in two World Cup Ideal Elevens and an AO All-Star team, Ichi Tuzzio, Yurpá Mêndêlöíndçêl and Erfaon Lisdiren. Three of them play for Vilitan teams, with Mêndêlöíndçêl being the only exception, playing for Oyardo from Astograth, often renowned as the best player of that team (at least that’s what they say here in Farfadillis). Farf crowds can often get bored if your team is defensive, so expect aggressiveness from some of them if your team is boring. If your team is entertaining, however, expect the Farf crowd to cheer for you.

As a user, Farfadillis is frequently known as “that annoying Uruguayan who can’t take anything seriously”, “that guy that shouts 1950 at the Brazilians a lot”, or just Farf. He’s been in NS since February of 2012, joining NS Sport not long after. He will cut-off at around 11 pm GMT. Or whatever time Licen wants (probably 11pm GMT). He’s also on holidays (or, actually, will be very soon. Plus, you, the reader, are statistically not, so be jealous).

And the Licentian Isles? Sounds like a bit of a weirdo to me.

Oi, I’ll have less of that.

The Licentian Isles, as the name would suggest, are an island nation, in the south of Esportiva, separated from Apox by the Licentian Channel. The nation is made up of five inhabited islands, which make up four parishes, three of which, Montfort, Abingdon and Colesham, are on the main island, known as Licentiapacisterra (the original name for the nation), while St Bart’s Parish makes up the outlying islands.

The nation is ruled, as it has been for almost two centuries, by the de Montfort family. The current Grand Duke is Alasdair John, who was crowned after the death of his father, Luke Thomas II, while the four parishes are each ruled by a Duke, all of whom are sons of the Grand Duke. These positions are currently empty, as Alasdair John is childless. The Licentian Isles previously had an elected parliament; however, this was removed by Grand Duke Alasdair John, on the premise of a nation being stronger with a powerful, decision making leader.

The nation has a population of 5,754,786 people, ethnically made up of a mix of Latin peoples and Celts. The previous minority populations, mostly Uitbregener (or Cyborg Dutch) and Apoxian, were expelled by the recently crowned Grand Duke. The capital of the Licentian Isles is Montfort, where the royal family and parliament have been based for all of living memory. Other major cities are Colesham, Abingdon, Carrington and St Bart’s.

The people of the Licentian Isles are sports-mad. The Sixty-Seventh World Cup, following the Fifty-Fourth Baptism of Fire, will be the ninth in which the Licentian Isles have competed, under three different names (Licentiapacisterra from WCs 59-64, the Licentian Islands in WC65, and the Licentian Isles in WC66). The Cyan-and-Gold, as the national team is known colloquially, have qualified for three World Cups, failing to get out of the group stage in each one. The Licentian Isles were the home of many quality players in the past, including Alex Gardiner-Stewart, Jack Kerr and Logan Moran. The current crop of stars includes Nate Parkinson, Ruaraidh Donaldson (known as the Lion of Abingdon) and Alex Keir. They have previously won two tournaments, both of which were the Campionato Esportiva, in its third and eighth editions.

OOCly, the Licentian Isles, previously known as Licentiapacisterra, and also known as Licen, TLI, or “that annoying Scottish git in the corner”, has been a regular on NS Sports for almost eighteen months, regularly participating in tournaments for that time, aside of a small hiatus earlier this year, and has been on NS since December 2011. As he is in the UK, his cutoffs would be likely to come at 11pm GMT, though that will be confirmed closer to the time.

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What do you intend to use to scorinate? Dice?

Nope, we would be using the most recent version of Xkoranate, with the SQIS formula.

What kind of bonuses do you intend to use to reward people that roleplay well (See: Performance-Enhancing Drugs)?

We would prefer not to reveal the scale here. However, RPs will be judged on a flexible scale (by flexible, we mean scores such as 0.4, 1.52 and 1.234 are all possibilities, even if too stupidly detailed to actually be taken seriously). RP will be judged on creativity and effort, with quality over quantity. That being said, while you don't need to write War and Peace to gain a high bonus, two lines of RP will not cut it.

How do you intend to set out this tournament? Please tell me it isn’t the Casaran again…

It is not, though we did consider it. Anyway, we are planning on 8 groups of x nations, if the number of nations allow it. Otherwise, we’ll have to work our way around it. We do have a contingency that allows for 9 groups of x nations, and then play-offs with the worst-ranked second placed teams, but we would prefer a multiple of 8.

What about style modifiers?

They’ll go from -5 to 5. They’ll be additive. That’s about it really.

Do you intend to encourage RP during this tournament with any incentives?

Affirmative. Farfadillis will frequently include details about his federation’s complex way of making everything run as not smoothly as possible. He might or might not do something like he did last Copa Rushmori (cards for players). No promises, and it’s not like it incentives a lot of RPing.

The Licentian Isles intends to include short snippets of roleplay at cutoff time. These could take into account previous RPs from competitors, or could be inclusive RPing ideas, to encourage RPing based on the rather strange situation in his nation.

Finally, as has become almost traditional in the Baptism of Fire, there will be an ideal XI announced, made up of players from the nations involved in the tournament. Nations may want to indicate the players they would like included (only their players, though), but we won’t take just that into consideration. The ideal XI will then go on to play an exhibition match against first the Cyan and Gold and then La Vherderoja. The money made will be donated to the fascist Licentian monarch’s project to reduce poverty and hunger, (and definitely not a war in the Inevitable Syndicate; no sir) in the first case, and will be burned accidentally by the incompetent functionaries of the FFFF in the second. The football will be quality, though.

We may or may not attempt to buy members of the ideal XI (or other players, maybe). This depends on whether UG and Asto are alright with this or not. It was their idea, after all. All credit goes to them if we do go with that. Our leagues aren’t as prestigious, though, but they’re fairly prestigious anyway. And they’re RPed. Don’t forget that.

Lastly, why should we trust you with our young’uns?

You shouldn’t. You really, really shouldn’t.

Any other questions?

Why are you asking us? Ask them!

Yes, there is a lot of incredibly bad jokes in this bid. I apologise sincerely if anyone is offended by our terrible sense of humour.
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Postby Liventia » Mon Nov 11, 2013 5:20 pm

Why are you not revealing your RP grading system? Unlike at the World Cup, where voters will compete and thus knowing the scale could be seen as an advantage, that is far less true of the BoF. Indeed, one might argue because RP is such an integral part of the BoF, you should reveal your scale for the EWCC to be able to properly judge your bid.

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Postby Vilita » Mon Nov 11, 2013 5:22 pm


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Postby Farfadillis » Mon Nov 11, 2013 5:55 pm

Liventia wrote:Why are you not revealing your RP grading system? Unlike at the World Cup, where voters will compete and thus knowing the scale could be seen as an advantage, that is far less true of the BoF. Indeed, one might argue because RP is such an integral part of the BoF, you should reveal your scale for the EWCC to be able to properly judge your bid.

Actually, it is completely irrelevant to begin with. We could easily be using a scale that goes from 0 to 50 or one that goes from 0 to 1, and the results would be the same (if the grading was equal in both cases, like 25 in the former and 0.5 in the latter, that is). I'll have to ask Licen if he wants to reveal it, though. I can't find any reason not to do it. I also can't find any reason to do it.

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:unsure:


Yes, it's a record I hold. :P
However, the CR is not finished yet.
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Postby Liventia » Mon Nov 11, 2013 6:13 pm

Farfadillis wrote:
Liventia wrote:Why are you not revealing your RP grading system? Unlike at the World Cup, where voters will compete and thus knowing the scale could be seen as an advantage, that is far less true of the BoF. Indeed, one might argue because RP is such an integral part of the BoF, you should reveal your scale for the EWCC to be able to properly judge your bid.

Actually, it is completely irrelevant to begin with. We could easily be using a scale that goes from 0 to 50 or one that goes from 0 to 1, and the results would be the same (if the grading was equal in both cases, like 25 in the former and 0.5 in the latter, that is). I'll have to ask Licen if he wants to reveal it, though. I can't find any reason not to do it. I also can't find any reason to do it.

Because RP is integral to the BoF, despite the "irrelevant" claim? You're not persuading me to want to vote for your bid with that kind of tone.
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Postby Farfadillis » Mon Nov 11, 2013 6:16 pm

Liventia wrote:Because RP is integral to the BoF, despite the "irrelevant" claim? You're not persuading me to want to vote for your bid with that kind of tone.

I don't think you got what I meant. The RPs are not irrelevant, but the scale is. The scale could be any, and as the comparison between teams to scorinate is a division and not a substraction, what matters is the relation between the ranks, not the difference. Hence, the scale is irrelevant, as long as the relation is maintained.
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Postby Karditan » Mon Nov 11, 2013 6:18 pm

Liventia wrote:Because RP is integral to the BoF, despite the "irrelevant" claim? You're not persuading me to want to vote for your bid with that kind of tone.


Erm... he's actually got a point here, Liv. The only reason RP grading systems matter in other bids is in how they relate to the ranks--as in, a 0-4 RP bonus is significantly different from a 0-10 one in the WC because it allows a lower-ranked nation to overtake those above them much quickly. Other than that factor... it's not really a factor. Like, statistically. It makes no difference.

Oh, wait, actually: I don't think the bid mentions if it's degrading or purely cumulative. That might be nice to know.
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Postby Liventia » Mon Nov 11, 2013 6:20 pm

Information like daily RP caps, how you're inputting RP bonuses into xkoranate, etc.

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Postby Vilita » Mon Nov 11, 2013 6:23 pm

Farfadillis wrote:
Liventia wrote:Because RP is integral to the BoF, despite the "irrelevant" claim? You're not persuading me to want to vote for your bid with that kind of tone.

I don't think you got what I meant. The RPs are not irrelevant, but the scale is. The scale could be any, and as the comparison between teams to scorinate is a division and not a substraction, what matters is the relation between the ranks, not the difference. Hence, the scale is irrelevant, as long as the relation is maintained.


Well, the scale isn't necessarily irrelevant.

For example, when you say 1-5 or 1-50 what do you mean?

If your method of scorinating will be to start all teams at 0KPB, and each RP is worth 1 KPB points, that could be statistically significant compared with saying each RP is worth 10 KPB points.
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Postby Polar Islandstates » Mon Nov 11, 2013 6:25 pm

It's a bid, and only one of the bidders is Farf...

Close enough.
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Postby Starblaydia » Tue Nov 12, 2013 12:40 am

Irrelevant to bid:
Liventia wrote:You're not persuading me to want to vote for your bid with that kind of tone.

Irony, thy name is Liventia.


Relevant to bid:
The Licentian Isles wrote:Lastly, why should we trust you with our young’uns?

You shouldn’t. You really, really shouldn’t.

That swings it for me.
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Postby Liventia » Tue Nov 12, 2013 5:27 am

Starblaydia wrote:Irrelevant to bid:
Liventia wrote:You're not persuading me to want to vote for your bid with that kind of tone.

Irony, thy name is Liventia.

Do you really want to know what is actually irrelevant to this bid? Taking pot shots at other people not connected to this bid in this bid thread just so you can win a few points.

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Postby Buyan » Tue Nov 12, 2013 6:12 am

You'ld prefer a single or a double-round robin group stage?
(and if it depends on the group size, which size would be the breaker?)

And would there be a live draw?
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Postby Cassadaigua » Tue Nov 12, 2013 7:36 am

Between the two proposed co-hosts, is Licentian Isles considered the senior host of you two based on your communications with each other?

In other words, is there a hosting relationship here where TLI will be advising Farf throughout and assisting him (TLI as teacher and Farf as student)?
Is Farf prepared to accept that role as well? (meaning if a tough situation comes about, will you always seek TLI's advice, or will you make a unilateral decision?)
Or is your relationship where you two feel you have equivalent experience?

The only way I can support this bid is if the co-hosts promise to have a teacher/student type relationship with TLI as the senior partner, and right now it almost seems like the opposite is going to happen.


The Licentian Isles wrote:Matches can and will be delayed by twelve hours without previous notice.



What? Without previous notice? It's not difficult to provide notice. I've pulled over on the side of the interstate before to use my phone to post on the forum that a MD's scores would be delayed. You can always provide notice, and that's important as we deal with newer nations.
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Postby Gregoryisgodistan » Tue Nov 12, 2013 7:53 am

Cassadaigua wrote:
The Licentian Isles wrote:Matches can and will be delayed by twelve hours without previous notice.



What? Without previous notice? It's not difficult to provide notice. I've pulled over on the side of the interstate before to use my phone to post on the forum that a MD's scores would be delayed. You can always provide notice, and that's important as we deal with newer nations.


I think the delay is IC only. It's meant as a joke. Farf will have to clarify though.
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Postby Northern Sunrise Islands » Tue Nov 12, 2013 8:03 am

Cassadaigua wrote:
The Licentian Isles wrote:Matches can and will be delayed by twelve hours without previous notice.


What? Without previous notice? It's not difficult to provide notice. I've pulled over on the side of the interstate before to use my phone to post on the forum that a MD's scores would be delayed. You can always provide notice, and that's important as we deal with newer nations.


I know I shouldn't really be answering it for them, but it's just a joke. At IRC, Farf said they were putting some jokes to ligthen the mood of it a bit, so it's probably just IC with the incompetence of the FFF.
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Postby San Jose Guayabal » Tue Nov 12, 2013 8:13 am

Northern Sunrise Islands wrote:
Cassadaigua wrote:
What? Without previous notice? It's not difficult to provide notice. I've pulled over on the side of the interstate before to use my phone to post on the forum that a MD's scores would be delayed. You can always provide notice, and that's important as we deal with newer nations.


I know I shouldn't really be answering it for them, but it's just a joke. At IRC, Farf said they were putting some jokes to ligthen the mood of it a bit, so it's probably just IC with the incompetence of the FFF.


They won't do that, is only a joke, like the FFFF incompetence (Great bid, I like it)
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Postby Cassadaigua » Tue Nov 12, 2013 8:17 am

Northern Sunrise Islands wrote:
Cassadaigua wrote:
What? Without previous notice? It's not difficult to provide notice. I've pulled over on the side of the interstate before to use my phone to post on the forum that a MD's scores would be delayed. You can always provide notice, and that's important as we deal with newer nations.


I know I shouldn't really be answering it for them, but it's just a joke. At IRC, Farf said they were putting some jokes to ligthen the mood of it a bit, so it's probably just IC with the incompetence of the FFF.


Fair enough.
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Postby The Licentian Isles » Tue Nov 12, 2013 10:54 am

Rather large post incoming; apologies for that.

Karditan wrote:Oh, wait, actually: I don't think the bid mentions if it's degrading or purely cumulative. That might be nice to know.


I'm currently clarifying this with Farf. I believe the intention was for cumulative bonus, but we must've missed it out in the bid, and I don't have a log of our conversation on IRC as we wrote this. I'll confirm it when we've discussed it; he's currently offline, so it may be a little while.

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Liventia wrote:Do you really want to know what is actually irrelevant to this bid? Taking pot shots at other people not connected to this bid in this bid thread just so you can win a few points.


I'd appreciate less of the snark from both of you, if you don't mind. Leave your past at the door, stop point-scoring, and if this really needs to be sorted, do it by TG, not in our bid thread. Ta muchly.

Buyan wrote:You'ld prefer a single or a double-round robin group stage?
(and if it depends on the group size, which size would be the breaker?)


I think it'll be based on the group size, with 6 probably being the switching point from double to single.

Buyan wrote:And would there be a live draw?


Since the BoF is for mostly new users, I personally don't see the need. If we decide to do so, it will be announced in advance.

Cassadaigua wrote:Between the two proposed co-hosts, is Licentian Isles considered the senior host of you two based on your communications with each other?

In other words, is there a hosting relationship here where TLI will be advising Farf throughout and assisting him (TLI as teacher and Farf as student)?
Is Farf prepared to accept that role as well? (meaning if a tough situation comes about, will you always seek TLI's advice, or will you make a unilateral decision?)
Or is your relationship where you two feel you have equivalent experience?

The only way I can support this bid is if the co-hosts promise to have a teacher/student type relationship with TLI as the senior partner, and right now it almost seems like the opposite is going to happen.


I think I would be considered the senior host purely based on my WCC hosting experience, yes, but, although I intend to advice Farf, I don't intend to patronise him with advice on stuff he already knows. He is an experienced host for taking the junior position, and certainly much more experienced than I was when I hosted my first Baptism of Fire with Aguazul. I wouldn't call it a "teacher-student relationship", more a bit of mentoring from me, if and when Farf needs it.

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The Licentian Isles wrote:Matches can and will be delayed by twelve hours without previous notice.


What? Without previous notice? It's not difficult to provide notice. I've pulled over on the side of the interstate before to use my phone to post on the forum that a MD's scores would be delayed. You can always provide notice, and that's important as we deal with newer nations.


That comment is entirely IC. If it was OOC, I wouldn't be bidding with him in the first place.
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Postby Cassadaigua » Tue Nov 12, 2013 12:10 pm

The Licentian Isles wrote:
Cassadaigua wrote:Between the two proposed co-hosts, is Licentian Isles considered the senior host of you two based on your communications with each other?

In other words, is there a hosting relationship here where TLI will be advising Farf throughout and assisting him (TLI as teacher and Farf as student)?
Is Farf prepared to accept that role as well? (meaning if a tough situation comes about, will you always seek TLI's advice, or will you make a unilateral decision?)
Or is your relationship where you two feel you have equivalent experience?

The only way I can support this bid is if the co-hosts promise to have a teacher/student type relationship with TLI as the senior partner, and right now it almost seems like the opposite is going to happen.


I think I would be considered the senior host purely based on my WCC hosting experience, yes, but, although I intend to advice Farf, I don't intend to patronise him with advice on stuff he already knows. He is an experienced host for taking the junior position, and certainly much more experienced than I was when I hosted my first Baptism of Fire with Aguazul. I wouldn't call it a "teacher-student relationship", more a bit of mentoring from me, if and when Farf needs it.


Fair enough and good enough, I suppose. For the record though, I am not big on regional cups being great experience-boosters. Generally, there is minimal RP in them.
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Postby Farfadillis » Tue Nov 12, 2013 3:01 pm

Vilita wrote:
Farfadillis wrote:I don't think you got what I meant. The RPs are not irrelevant, but the scale is. The scale could be any, and as the comparison between teams to scorinate is a division and not a substraction, what matters is the relation between the ranks, not the difference. Hence, the scale is irrelevant, as long as the relation is maintained.


Well, the scale isn't necessarily irrelevant.

For example, when you say 1-5 or 1-50 what do you mean?

If your method of scorinating will be to start all teams at 0KPB, and each RP is worth 1 KPB points, that could be statistically significant compared with saying each RP is worth 10 KPB points.

When I said 1-5 and 1-50, I meant them as scales. As for what you said below that, no, it could not be like that with SQIS and a lack of ranks, because it's the relation between Ranks (which is, in this case, the total RP bonus) that matters, not the difference. Therefore, as long as I make my grading constant (say, 2.5 in the first case, 25 in the latter), it won't matter. As I said, the scale is literally irrelevant in this case.

Polar Islandstates wrote:It's a bid, and only one of the bidders is Farf...

Close enough.

Charruterran/Farf bid for the CoH coming?

Buyan wrote:You'ld prefer a single or a double-round robin group stage?
(and if it depends on the group size, which size would be the breaker?)

And would there be a live draw?

We have yet to agree on this. There's plenty of time, however, and we'll announce it in due time. What Licen just said is purely tentative. As for the live draw, what Licen said.

Cassadaigua wrote:Between the two proposed co-hosts, is Licentian Isles considered the senior host of you two based on your communications with each other?

In other words, is there a hosting relationship here where TLI will be advising Farf throughout and assisting him (TLI as teacher and Farf as student)?
Is Farf prepared to accept that role as well? (meaning if a tough situation comes about, will you always seek TLI's advice, or will you make a unilateral decision?)
Or is your relationship where you two feel you have equivalent experience?

The only way I can support this bid is if the co-hosts promise to have a teacher/student type relationship with TLI as the senior partner, and right now it almost seems like the opposite is going to happen.

TLI is the senior partner of this bid, yes. Let's just say I'm a junior partner with a bit more experience than normal. So, well, I won't be taking decisions unilaterally, but I doubt Licen will either.
Also, when he went to bed yesterday, he left me in charge of the bid thread, which is (I think) what you referred to in the last sentence.


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The Licentian Isles wrote:Matches can and will be delayed by twelve hours without previous notice.



What? Without previous notice? It's not difficult to provide notice. I've pulled over on the side of the interstate before to use my phone to post on the forum that a MD's scores would be delayed. You can always provide notice, and that's important as we deal with newer nations.


My bad. I sometimes write things as if everybody knew the contect. The FFFF, my federation, is terribly incompetent (it's hinted in the bid details too). ICly, obviously.

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Liventia wrote:Because RP is integral to the BoF, despite the "irrelevant" claim? You're not persuading me to want to vote for your bid with that kind of tone.


Erm... he's actually got a point here, Liv. The only reason RP grading systems matter in other bids is in how they relate to the ranks--as in, a 0-4 RP bonus is significantly different from a 0-10 one in the WC because it allows a lower-ranked nation to overtake those above them much quickly. Other than that factor... it's not really a factor. Like, statistically. It makes no difference.

Oh, wait, actually: I don't think the bid mentions if it's degrading or purely cumulative. That might be nice to know.


Bolded part is just me emphasizing, as that part explains what I've been trying to say about the RP scale very clearly.

As for the second part, Licen and I had already agreed upon it being cumulative, we just forgot to add it to the bid. He should be adding/have added it by now.

Cassadaigua wrote:Fair enough and good enough, I suppose. For the record though, I am not big on regional cups being great experience-boosters. Generally, there is minimal RP in them.


One of them, I must admit, was somewhat disappointing (the CE). This Copa Rushmori, however, has seemed better at least. However, the AOCAF Cup was RP'd regularly by some users, and the RP's were of pretty high. It was just a great experience, and I can't recall laughing so much. I do get where you come from, but minimal is not the term I'd use.
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Cassadaigua wrote:Fair enough and good enough, I suppose. For the record though, I am not big on regional cups being great experience-boosters. Generally, there is minimal RP in them.

I know where you're coming from, but what else is there to build experience? For a nation without WCC experience, they need to have hosted something before they tackle a WCC event, right? If not regional championships, then, what else?

Personally, that looks to me like Farf has been trusted by the users of the three big sporting nations to take charge of their main football tournament. That's a reasonable amount of trust, there. Enough for a BoF, I'd say.
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Cassadaigua wrote:Fair enough and good enough, I suppose. For the record though, I am not big on regional cups being great experience-boosters. Generally, there is minimal RP in them.

I know where you're coming from, but what else is there to build experience? For a nation without WCC experience, they need to have hosted something before they tackle a WCC event, right? If not regional championships, then, what else?
I believe Cass may be indirectly referring to the American big 4: WBC, World Bowl, IBC, and WCoH.
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Maklohi Vai wrote:
Polar Islandstates wrote:I know where you're coming from, but what else is there to build experience? For a nation without WCC experience, they need to have hosted something before they tackle a WCC event, right? If not regional championships, then, what else?
I believe Cass may be indirectly referring to the American big 4: WBC, World Bowl, IBC, and WCoH.


Since many people outside of North America will struggle to RP those tournaments, I don't see why they would be worthy hosts for them. The best experience builder, for me, is hosting what you know; clearly, Farf knows football.
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Postby Polar Islandstates » Tue Nov 12, 2013 4:18 pm

Aren't most of those bigger than the BoF? Would seem counter-intuitive to encourage nations to cut their teeth on larger tournaments before tackling the BoF with a co-host in tow, no? Also many of those tournaments listed are multi-stage and therefore not that comparable to the BoF. I don't necessarily take much part in the 'american big four', but to suggest their main tournaments are lesser deals than the BoF would be to do those four sports a disservice, no?

FWIW, I'd always count regional football tournaments as better experience for the BoF than hosting a big tournament from another sport.
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