by The Licentian Isles » Mon Nov 11, 2013 5:12 pm
by Liventia » Mon Nov 11, 2013 5:20 pm
by Vilita » Mon Nov 11, 2013 5:22 pm
Farfadillis
AOCAF Cup 38
Campionato Esportiva 5
Copa Rushmori 16
by Farfadillis » Mon Nov 11, 2013 5:55 pm
Liventia wrote:Why are you not revealing your RP grading system? Unlike at the World Cup, where voters will compete and thus knowing the scale could be seen as an advantage, that is far less true of the BoF. Indeed, one might argue because RP is such an integral part of the BoF, you should reveal your scale for the EWCC to be able to properly judge your bid.
by Liventia » Mon Nov 11, 2013 6:13 pm
Farfadillis wrote:Liventia wrote:Why are you not revealing your RP grading system? Unlike at the World Cup, where voters will compete and thus knowing the scale could be seen as an advantage, that is far less true of the BoF. Indeed, one might argue because RP is such an integral part of the BoF, you should reveal your scale for the EWCC to be able to properly judge your bid.
Actually, it is completely irrelevant to begin with. We could easily be using a scale that goes from 0 to 50 or one that goes from 0 to 1, and the results would be the same (if the grading was equal in both cases, like 25 in the former and 0.5 in the latter, that is). I'll have to ask Licen if he wants to reveal it, though. I can't find any reason not to do it. I also can't find any reason to do it.
by Farfadillis » Mon Nov 11, 2013 6:16 pm
Liventia wrote:Because RP is integral to the BoF, despite the "irrelevant" claim? You're not persuading me to want to vote for your bid with that kind of tone.
by Karditan » Mon Nov 11, 2013 6:18 pm
Liventia wrote:Because RP is integral to the BoF, despite the "irrelevant" claim? You're not persuading me to want to vote for your bid with that kind of tone.
by Vilita » Mon Nov 11, 2013 6:23 pm
Farfadillis wrote:Liventia wrote:Because RP is integral to the BoF, despite the "irrelevant" claim? You're not persuading me to want to vote for your bid with that kind of tone.
I don't think you got what I meant. The RPs are not irrelevant, but the scale is. The scale could be any, and as the comparison between teams to scorinate is a division and not a substraction, what matters is the relation between the ranks, not the difference. Hence, the scale is irrelevant, as long as the relation is maintained.
by Polar Islandstates » Mon Nov 11, 2013 6:25 pm
by Starblaydia » Tue Nov 12, 2013 12:40 am
Liventia wrote:You're not persuading me to want to vote for your bid with that kind of tone.
The Licentian Isles wrote:Lastly, why should we trust you with our young’uns?
You shouldn’t. You really, really shouldn’t.
by Liventia » Tue Nov 12, 2013 5:27 am
by Buyan » Tue Nov 12, 2013 6:12 am
by Cassadaigua » Tue Nov 12, 2013 7:36 am
by Gregoryisgodistan » Tue Nov 12, 2013 7:53 am
Cassadaigua wrote:
What? Without previous notice? It's not difficult to provide notice. I've pulled over on the side of the interstate before to use my phone to post on the forum that a MD's scores would be delayed. You can always provide notice, and that's important as we deal with newer nations.
by Northern Sunrise Islands » Tue Nov 12, 2013 8:03 am
Cassadaigua wrote:The Licentian Isles wrote:Matches can and will be delayed by twelve hours without previous notice.
What? Without previous notice? It's not difficult to provide notice. I've pulled over on the side of the interstate before to use my phone to post on the forum that a MD's scores would be delayed. You can always provide notice, and that's important as we deal with newer nations.
by San Jose Guayabal » Tue Nov 12, 2013 8:13 am
Northern Sunrise Islands wrote:Cassadaigua wrote:
What? Without previous notice? It's not difficult to provide notice. I've pulled over on the side of the interstate before to use my phone to post on the forum that a MD's scores would be delayed. You can always provide notice, and that's important as we deal with newer nations.
I know I shouldn't really be answering it for them, but it's just a joke. At IRC, Farf said they were putting some jokes to ligthen the mood of it a bit, so it's probably just IC with the incompetence of the FFF.
by Cassadaigua » Tue Nov 12, 2013 8:17 am
Northern Sunrise Islands wrote:Cassadaigua wrote:
What? Without previous notice? It's not difficult to provide notice. I've pulled over on the side of the interstate before to use my phone to post on the forum that a MD's scores would be delayed. You can always provide notice, and that's important as we deal with newer nations.
I know I shouldn't really be answering it for them, but it's just a joke. At IRC, Farf said they were putting some jokes to ligthen the mood of it a bit, so it's probably just IC with the incompetence of the FFF.
by The Licentian Isles » Tue Nov 12, 2013 10:54 am
Karditan wrote:Oh, wait, actually: I don't think the bid mentions if it's degrading or purely cumulative. That might be nice to know.
Starblaydia wrote:Irony, thy name is Liventia.
Liventia wrote:Do you really want to know what is actually irrelevant to this bid? Taking pot shots at other people not connected to this bid in this bid thread just so you can win a few points.
Buyan wrote:You'ld prefer a single or a double-round robin group stage?
(and if it depends on the group size, which size would be the breaker?)
Buyan wrote:And would there be a live draw?
Cassadaigua wrote:Between the two proposed co-hosts, is Licentian Isles considered the senior host of you two based on your communications with each other?
In other words, is there a hosting relationship here where TLI will be advising Farf throughout and assisting him (TLI as teacher and Farf as student)?
Is Farf prepared to accept that role as well? (meaning if a tough situation comes about, will you always seek TLI's advice, or will you make a unilateral decision?)
Or is your relationship where you two feel you have equivalent experience?
The only way I can support this bid is if the co-hosts promise to have a teacher/student type relationship with TLI as the senior partner, and right now it almost seems like the opposite is going to happen.
Cassadaigua wrote:The Licentian Isles wrote:Matches can and will be delayed by twelve hours without previous notice.
What? Without previous notice? It's not difficult to provide notice. I've pulled over on the side of the interstate before to use my phone to post on the forum that a MD's scores would be delayed. You can always provide notice, and that's important as we deal with newer nations.
by Cassadaigua » Tue Nov 12, 2013 12:10 pm
The Licentian Isles wrote:Cassadaigua wrote:Between the two proposed co-hosts, is Licentian Isles considered the senior host of you two based on your communications with each other?
In other words, is there a hosting relationship here where TLI will be advising Farf throughout and assisting him (TLI as teacher and Farf as student)?
Is Farf prepared to accept that role as well? (meaning if a tough situation comes about, will you always seek TLI's advice, or will you make a unilateral decision?)
Or is your relationship where you two feel you have equivalent experience?
The only way I can support this bid is if the co-hosts promise to have a teacher/student type relationship with TLI as the senior partner, and right now it almost seems like the opposite is going to happen.
I think I would be considered the senior host purely based on my WCC hosting experience, yes, but, although I intend to advice Farf, I don't intend to patronise him with advice on stuff he already knows. He is an experienced host for taking the junior position, and certainly much more experienced than I was when I hosted my first Baptism of Fire with Aguazul. I wouldn't call it a "teacher-student relationship", more a bit of mentoring from me, if and when Farf needs it.
by Farfadillis » Tue Nov 12, 2013 3:01 pm
Vilita wrote:Farfadillis wrote:I don't think you got what I meant. The RPs are not irrelevant, but the scale is. The scale could be any, and as the comparison between teams to scorinate is a division and not a substraction, what matters is the relation between the ranks, not the difference. Hence, the scale is irrelevant, as long as the relation is maintained.
Well, the scale isn't necessarily irrelevant.
For example, when you say 1-5 or 1-50 what do you mean?
If your method of scorinating will be to start all teams at 0KPB, and each RP is worth 1 KPB points, that could be statistically significant compared with saying each RP is worth 10 KPB points.
Buyan wrote:You'ld prefer a single or a double-round robin group stage?
(and if it depends on the group size, which size would be the breaker?)
And would there be a live draw?
Cassadaigua wrote:Between the two proposed co-hosts, is Licentian Isles considered the senior host of you two based on your communications with each other?
In other words, is there a hosting relationship here where TLI will be advising Farf throughout and assisting him (TLI as teacher and Farf as student)?
Is Farf prepared to accept that role as well? (meaning if a tough situation comes about, will you always seek TLI's advice, or will you make a unilateral decision?)
Or is your relationship where you two feel you have equivalent experience?
The only way I can support this bid is if the co-hosts promise to have a teacher/student type relationship with TLI as the senior partner, and right now it almost seems like the opposite is going to happen.
Cassadaigua wrote:
What? Without previous notice? It's not difficult to provide notice. I've pulled over on the side of the interstate before to use my phone to post on the forum that a MD's scores would be delayed. You can always provide notice, and that's important as we deal with newer nations.
Karditan wrote:Liventia wrote:Because RP is integral to the BoF, despite the "irrelevant" claim? You're not persuading me to want to vote for your bid with that kind of tone.
Erm... he's actually got a point here, Liv. The only reason RP grading systems matter in other bids is in how they relate to the ranks--as in, a 0-4 RP bonus is significantly different from a 0-10 one in the WC because it allows a lower-ranked nation to overtake those above them much quickly. Other than that factor... it's not really a factor. Like, statistically. It makes no difference.
Oh, wait, actually: I don't think the bid mentions if it's degrading or purely cumulative. That might be nice to know.
Cassadaigua wrote:Fair enough and good enough, I suppose. For the record though, I am not big on regional cups being great experience-boosters. Generally, there is minimal RP in them.
by Polar Islandstates » Tue Nov 12, 2013 3:14 pm
Cassadaigua wrote:Fair enough and good enough, I suppose. For the record though, I am not big on regional cups being great experience-boosters. Generally, there is minimal RP in them.
by Maklohi Vai » Tue Nov 12, 2013 4:11 pm
I believe Cass may be indirectly referring to the American big 4: WBC, World Bowl, IBC, and WCoH.Polar Islandstates wrote:Cassadaigua wrote:Fair enough and good enough, I suppose. For the record though, I am not big on regional cups being great experience-boosters. Generally, there is minimal RP in them.
I know where you're coming from, but what else is there to build experience? For a nation without WCC experience, they need to have hosted something before they tackle a WCC event, right? If not regional championships, then, what else?
by The Licentian Isles » Tue Nov 12, 2013 4:17 pm
Maklohi Vai wrote:I believe Cass may be indirectly referring to the American big 4: WBC, World Bowl, IBC, and WCoH.Polar Islandstates wrote:I know where you're coming from, but what else is there to build experience? For a nation without WCC experience, they need to have hosted something before they tackle a WCC event, right? If not regional championships, then, what else?
by Polar Islandstates » Tue Nov 12, 2013 4:18 pm
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