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Postby Caladaria » Sat Aug 17, 2013 11:37 am

Why does anyone who oppose gay marriage have to be labeled a hypocrite, a bigot, or a homophobe? I don't have to be any of those things. Now you all, I respect your opinions and I respect your support for gay marriage. But that does not mean that I have to support it. And yet, I believe that gay rights and civil rights are of two different planes. The history of humankind has also demonstrated that man and woman complement each other. It has not been until this past three or four decades, that gay marriage has emerged, in its present form. You may all think that I am bigoted and that I am ignorant. I am not. I mean only the greatest of respect for all people, although I don't have to agree on certain matters. There are so many issues which I would prefer to see addressed......

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Postby Dyakovo » Sat Aug 17, 2013 11:37 am

Secroli wrote:It harms their relationship with God.

How? Which "god"?
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Postby Arglorand » Sat Aug 17, 2013 11:37 am

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And you can't prove he can't exist.

You can't prove that Ba'al doesn't exist. Therefore, Ba'al must exist?

Clearly.

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Postby Blasveck » Sat Aug 17, 2013 11:38 am

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How so?

Because of Leviticus? That only applies to Jewish Holy Men.
[...]

Jews, holy or not.

I always get that bit messed up.
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Postby Federal Female Asian States » Sat Aug 17, 2013 11:38 am

Einsiev wrote:It needs to be banned. Homosexuality is a sin.

Glutany is a sin, greed is a sin, murder is a sin, disobedience is a sin, etc. Does that mean that we should arrest anyone who does those things? In that case, arrest everyone!
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Postby Menassa » Sat Aug 17, 2013 11:38 am

Blasveck wrote:
Menassa wrote:Jews, holy or not.

I always get that bit messed up.

Well, you are dealing with the Greek name for a Hebrew book.

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Postby Boo-Hoo Place » Sat Aug 17, 2013 11:38 am

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Boo-Hoo Place wrote:Well, there is a such thing as AIDS.

Anyone can get aids. It isn't just limited to homosexuals.

I know. I was simply acknowledging the fact that the rates of it are much higher among gay people, though.

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Postby Luveria » Sat Aug 17, 2013 11:38 am

Liriena wrote:
Luveria wrote:Even if the trans girl is attracted to females? :S Wouldn't that make them heterosexual according to Akena? We both know the trans female would be a lesbian.
And how am I in the closet when I'm open about my gender and sexual orientation?

No! A gay guy is...female...I...I'm trying really hard to explain that guy's logic...but...it's convoluted as hell. :unsure:

I'm very confused by it.

>says if you're attracted to yourself you're gay
>implies homosexuality and being transgender are the same thing. :blink:

I don't understand.

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Postby Geilinor » Sat Aug 17, 2013 11:38 am

Caladaria wrote: And yet, I believe that gay rights and civil rights are of two different planes.

Why are gay rights not civil rights? LGBT people are a full part of society.
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Postby Secroli » Sat Aug 17, 2013 11:39 am

Tlaceceyaya wrote:
Secroli wrote:
And you can't prove he can't exist.

You can't prove that Ba'al doesn't exist. Therefore, Ba'al must exist?


Before you demonize Christians try to actually prove that billions of people are wrong in what they worship.

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Postby Blasveck » Sat Aug 17, 2013 11:39 am

Caladaria wrote:Why does anyone who oppose gay marriage have to be labeled a hypocrite, a bigot, or a homophobe? I don't have to be any of those things. Now you all, I respect your opinions and I respect your support for gay marriage. But that does not mean that I have to support it. And yet, I believe that gay rights and civil rights are of two different planes. The history of humankind has also demonstrated that man and woman complement each other. It has not been until this past three or four decades, that gay marriage has emerged, in its present form. You may all think that I am bigoted and that I am ignorant. I am not. I mean only the greatest of respect for all people, although I don't have to agree on certain matters. There are so many issues which I would prefer to see addressed......


You do know that the death penalty for being gay exists in 7 countries, right?
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Postby Dyakovo » Sat Aug 17, 2013 11:39 am

Caladaria wrote:Why does anyone who oppose gay marriage have to be labeled a hypocrite, a bigot, or a homophobe?

Opposing equal rights makes you a bigot. Having an aversion to homosexuals makes you a homophobe.
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Postby The Norgan Alliance » Sat Aug 17, 2013 11:39 am

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Einsiev wrote:It needs to be banned. Homosexuality is a sin.

Glutany is a sin, greed is a sin, murder is a sin, disobedience is a sin, etc. Does that mean that we should arrest anyone who does those things?

Yes
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Postby Menassa » Sat Aug 17, 2013 11:39 am

Secroli wrote:
Tlaceceyaya wrote:You can't prove that Ba'al doesn't exist. Therefore, Ba'al must exist?


Before you demonize Christians try to actually prove that billions of people are wrong in what they worship.

Whoa, hey, let's slow your role.

How many Christians do you believe there are?

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Postby Blasveck » Sat Aug 17, 2013 11:40 am

Guys, this isn't a discussion about whether or not God exists.

It's about if gay marriage harms anyone.

So drop it.
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Postby Secroli » Sat Aug 17, 2013 11:40 am

Dyakovo wrote:
Secroli wrote:It harms their relationship with God.

How? Which "god"?


God. One God.

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Postby The Norgan Alliance » Sat Aug 17, 2013 11:40 am

Geilinor wrote:
Caladaria wrote: And yet, I believe that gay rights and civil rights are of two different planes.

Why are gay rights not civil rights? LGBT people are a full part of society.

Doesn't make it okay.
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Postby Belligerent Alcoholics » Sat Aug 17, 2013 11:40 am

Caladaria wrote:Why does anyone who oppose gay marriage have to be labeled a hypocrite, a bigot, or a homophobe?

Because that's what people who oppose equal protection of law for all citizens are?

Caladaria wrote:And yet, I believe that gay rights and civil rights are of two different planes.

And you'd be wrong.

Caladaria wrote:You may all think that I am bigoted and that I am ignorant. I am not.

Yes... Yes, you certainly are.

Caladaria wrote:I mean only the greatest of respect for all people

Are you trying to convince us of that, or yourself? :roll:

Caladaria wrote:There are so many issues which I would prefer to see addressed...

Because societies can't multitask. :roll:
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Postby Blasveck » Sat Aug 17, 2013 11:40 am

The Norgan Alliance wrote:
Federal Female Asian States wrote:Glutany is a sin, greed is a sin, murder is a sin, disobedience is a sin, etc. Does that mean that we should arrest anyone who does those things?

Yes


No.
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Postby Dyakovo » Sat Aug 17, 2013 11:40 am

The Norgan Alliance wrote:
Federal Female Asian States wrote:Glutany is a sin, greed is a sin, murder is a sin, disobedience is a sin, etc. Does that mean that we should arrest anyone who does those things?

Yes

Wrong.
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Postby Jormengand » Sat Aug 17, 2013 11:40 am

Blasveck wrote:You do know that the death penalty for being gay exists in 7 countries, right?

Eh? I thought it was nine. Though, a couple are only under specific circumstances (like being a guy).
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Postby Farnhamia » Sat Aug 17, 2013 11:41 am

Blasveck wrote:Guys, this isn't a discussion about whether or not God exists.

It's about if gay marriage harms anyone.

So drop it.

I was just going to say that very thing.
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Postby Arglorand » Sat Aug 17, 2013 11:41 am

Secroli wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:How? Which "god"?


God. One God.

Perun is reportedly perfectly okay with homosexuality as long as you pay the regular tribute of nine sheep per village every winter.
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Postby Pandeeria » Sat Aug 17, 2013 11:41 am

Caladaria wrote:Why does anyone who oppose gay marriage have to be labeled a hypocrite, a bigot, or a homophobe? I don't have to be any of those things. Now you all, I respect your opinions and I respect your support for gay marriage. But that does not mean that I have to support it. And yet, I believe that gay rights and civil rights are of two different planes. The history of humankind has also demonstrated that man and woman complement each other. It has not been until this past three or four decades, that gay marriage has emerged, in its present form. You may all think that I am bigoted and that I am ignorant. I am not. I mean only the greatest of respect for all people, although I don't have to agree on certain matters. There are so many issues which I would prefer to see addressed......


You are a hypocrite because you are for human rights, but against gay marriage.

Definition of bigoted:


big·ot·ed
/ˈbigətid/
Adjective
Obstinately convinced of the superiority or correctness of one's own opinions and prejudiced against those who hold different opinions.
Expressing or characterized by prejudice and intolerance.
Synonyms
fanatical - fanatic

So you are also a bigot. You are homophobic because you believe gays shouldn't be equal to you.

And yes, you are bigoted and ignorant. After all the evidence we throw at you, you just keep saying "I respect you opinions, but gay marriage and rights are different."
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Postby Jormengand » Sat Aug 17, 2013 11:41 am

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Einsiev wrote:It needs to be banned. Homosexuality is a sin.

Glutany is a sin, greed is a sin, murder is a sin, disobedience is a sin, etc. Does that mean that we should arrest anyone who does those things? In that case, arrest everyone!

Murder? Yes. The others? No.
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