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by Sinaryt » Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:24 am
by Greed and Death » Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:30 am
Thafoo wrote:Iseran wrote:My country, Belgium, has some of the strictest arms control laws in the world (even pepper spray is illegal) and has seen five mass killings over the last four years, four of which targeted young children and one of which resulted in over 125 casualties.
This country is so dangerous that i have been robbed three times in broad daylight (once at knife point), i have seen a youth gang vandalize a truck with metal pipes while they hurled abuse at the terrified driver, i have witnessed two armed robberies, i have heard of 3 home invasions taking place in my street over the last year and i have been threatened in public on countless occasions, all in what is supposedly a "safe" part of the country.
Upon conducting some research i discovered that Europe is much worse off than the united states in terms of violent crime, in fact two European nations (the UK and Austria) are so bad that they are worse off than South Africa.
After a brief comparison it becomes obvious that European countries which have virtually banned self-defense such as Belgium, the Netherlands and the UK have extremely high crime rates while the countries which allow individuals to carry weapons (i.e pepper spray) for self defense in addition to having more relaxed gun laws such as Switzerland, Hungary and the Czech republic have very low crime rates.
The same situation can be found in Asia, where we can see that middle-eastern countries with very lax gun laws such as Saudi Arabia have very low crime rates, while other Asian countries with strict gun control such as the PRC have very high crime (and suicide) rates.
Ditto for America, where we can see that the USA with it's lax gun control has a much lower crime rate than the Latin American nations with strict gun control.
The only logical conclusion is that legalizing armed self-defense (not necessarily with firearms, but at the very least with less-lethal weapons such as pepper spray) will lower violent crime rates significantly.
Americans: please don't give up your guns, otherwise you will end up like us; having to fight for the right to defend yourselves against junkies and sadists with pepper spray.
I don't see the harm in illegalizing assault weapons. A pistol may be a good defense weapon. A bushmaster is like using a minefield to defend against a few wolves.
by Norcroft » Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:30 am
Thafoo wrote:Iseran wrote:My country, Belgium, has some of the strictest arms control laws in the world (even pepper spray is illegal) and has seen five mass killings over the last four years, four of which targeted young children and one of which resulted in over 125 casualties.
This country is so dangerous that i have been robbed three times in broad daylight (once at knife point), i have seen a youth gang vandalize a truck with metal pipes while they hurled abuse at the terrified driver, i have witnessed two armed robberies, i have heard of 3 home invasions taking place in my street over the last year and i have been threatened in public on countless occasions, all in what is supposedly a "safe" part of the country.
Upon conducting some research i discovered that Europe is much worse off than the united states in terms of violent crime, in fact two European nations (the UK and Austria) are so bad that they are worse off than South Africa.
After a brief comparison it becomes obvious that European countries which have virtually banned self-defense such as Belgium, the Netherlands and the UK have extremely high crime rates while the countries which allow individuals to carry weapons (i.e pepper spray) for self defense in addition to having more relaxed gun laws such as Switzerland, Hungary and the Czech republic have very low crime rates.
The same situation can be found in Asia, where we can see that middle-eastern countries with very lax gun laws such as Saudi Arabia have very low crime rates, while other Asian countries with strict gun control such as the PRC have very high crime (and suicide) rates.
Ditto for America, where we can see that the USA with it's lax gun control has a much lower crime rate than the Latin American nations with strict gun control.
The only logical conclusion is that legalizing armed self-defense (not necessarily with firearms, but at the very least with less-lethal weapons such as pepper spray) will lower violent crime rates significantly.
Americans: please don't give up your guns, otherwise you will end up like us; having to fight for the right to defend yourselves against junkies and sadists with pepper spray.
I don't see the harm in illegalizing assault weapons. A pistol may be a good defense weapon. A bushmaster is like using a minefield to defend against a few wolves.
by Chinese Regions » Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:31 am
Iseran wrote:My country, Belgium, has some of the strictest arms control laws in the world (even pepper spray is illegal) and has seen five mass killings over the last four years, four of which targeted young children and one of which resulted in over 125 casualties.
This country is so dangerous that i have been robbed three times in broad daylight (once at knife point), i have seen a youth gang vandalize a truck with metal pipes while they hurled abuse at the terrified driver, i have witnessed two armed robberies, i have heard of 3 home invasions taking place in my street over the last year and i have been threatened in public on countless occasions, all in what is supposedly a "safe" part of the country.
Upon conducting some research i discovered that Europe is much worse off than the united states in terms of violent crime, in fact two European nations (the UK and Austria) are so bad that they are worse off than South Africa.
After a brief comparison it becomes obvious that European countries which have virtually banned self-defense such as Belgium, the Netherlands and the UK have extremely high crime rates while the countries which allow individuals to carry weapons (i.e pepper spray) for self defense in addition to having more relaxed gun laws such as Switzerland, Hungary and the Czech republic have very low crime rates.
The same situation can be found in Asia, where we can see that middle-eastern countries with very lax gun laws such as Saudi Arabia have very low crime rates, while other Asian countries with strict gun control such as the PRC have very high crime (and suicide) rates.
Ditto for America, where we can see that the USA with it's lax gun control has a much lower crime rate than the Latin American nations with strict gun control.
The only logical conclusion is that legalizing armed self-defense (not necessarily with firearms, but at the very least with less-lethal weapons such as pepper spray) will lower violent crime rates significantly.
Americans: please don't give up your guns, otherwise you will end up like us; having to fight for the right to defend yourselves against junkies and sadists with pepper spray.
by Kvatchdom » Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:34 am
by Greed and Death » Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:40 am
Kvatchdom wrote:Here in Finland we have so many guns rolling around the old towns that it would be economic and political suicide to even try and make guns illegal. Just trying to find them all would take about 50 years.
by Great Nepal » Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:41 am
Norcroft wrote:theres no kill like overkill.
by Pine Mountain » Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:01 am
by Warshania » Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:03 am
by Freiheit Reich » Thu Jan 31, 2013 4:51 am
by United Ethia » Thu Jan 31, 2013 5:02 am
by Everbeek » Thu Jan 31, 2013 5:17 am
Iseran wrote:My country, Belgium, has some of the strictest arms control laws in the world (even pepper spray is illegal) and has seen five mass killings over the last four years, four of which targeted young children and one of which resulted in over 125 casualties.
Cromarty wrote:Antifa, the Internationale and the Red Fleet are encased in the largest glass house in existence, and they're not throwing stones, they're firing boulders from catapults.
by Iseran » Thu Jan 31, 2013 5:54 am
Freiheit Reich wrote:It is ridiculous pepper spray is banned in Belgium. It is also banned in PRC. Pepper spray and protect women from rape. It is a good self-defense weapon.
Freiheit Reich wrote:Europeans are probably getting into the gangster rap of the USA and trying to think acting like a thug makes them a good person. It is sad so many people think the gang culture is cool.
I am against music censorship on principle (ex. slippery slope theory) but my heart wishes we could ban gangster rap and any songs that glorify rape and cop killing.
by Big Jim P » Thu Jan 31, 2013 6:01 am
Caninope wrote:Big Jim P wrote:
Caninope is right.
I'll take a gander at why you agree with me. I get the feeling that you, like me, think that there's absolutely nothing wrong with people like my dad simply because he has two hunting rifles and three hunting shotguns. You think there's absolutely nothing wrong with people like my granddad with multiple shotguns, rifles, and handguns (and had more before they were stolen about a decade ago). Both are law abiding citizens, and you (like me) do not think there is anything wrong with them simply because they own so many guns.
I could give a list of reasons why a person would dislike my dad (as I suppose every son could), but nowhere on that list is the fact that he owns multiple firearms.
by Big Jim P » Thu Jan 31, 2013 6:03 am
Tule wrote:Nua Corda wrote:
Which was always hilarious to me, since it's just as deadly for mass shootings as an AR-15.
Nobody ever mentions this lead spitting monster in the gun control debate.
It can fire 108 .32 cal projectiles in less than 2 seconds, which rivals virtually every SMG out there.
But that's OK cuz shotguns r fur hunting.
by Dyakovo » Thu Jan 31, 2013 6:15 am
Big Jim P wrote:Caninope wrote:I'll take a gander at why you agree with me. I get the feeling that you, like me, think that there's absolutely nothing wrong with people like my dad simply because he has two hunting rifles and three hunting shotguns. You think there's absolutely nothing wrong with people like my granddad with multiple shotguns, rifles, and handguns (and had more before they were stolen about a decade ago). Both are law abiding citizens, and you (like me) do not think there is anything wrong with them simply because they own so many guns.
I could give a list of reasons why a person would dislike my dad (as I suppose every son could), but nowhere on that list is the fact that he owns multiple firearms.
You pretty much nailed it. Just like owning more than one car, there is nothing wrong with owning more than one gun.
by Yes Im Biop » Thu Jan 31, 2013 6:24 am
[violet] wrote:Urggg... trawling through ads looking for roman orgies...
Idaho Conservatives wrote:FST creates a half-assed thread, goes on his same old feminist rant, and it turns into a thirty page dogpile in under twenty four hours. Just another day on NSG.
Immoren wrote:Saphirasia and his ICBCPs (inter continental ballistic cattle prod)
by Dyakovo » Thu Jan 31, 2013 6:29 am
by Yes Im Biop » Thu Jan 31, 2013 6:35 am
[violet] wrote:Urggg... trawling through ads looking for roman orgies...
Idaho Conservatives wrote:FST creates a half-assed thread, goes on his same old feminist rant, and it turns into a thirty page dogpile in under twenty four hours. Just another day on NSG.
Immoren wrote:Saphirasia and his ICBCPs (inter continental ballistic cattle prod)
by Albion Rhodesia » Thu Jan 31, 2013 6:47 am
by Yes Im Biop » Thu Jan 31, 2013 6:49 am
[violet] wrote:Urggg... trawling through ads looking for roman orgies...
Idaho Conservatives wrote:FST creates a half-assed thread, goes on his same old feminist rant, and it turns into a thirty page dogpile in under twenty four hours. Just another day on NSG.
Immoren wrote:Saphirasia and his ICBCPs (inter continental ballistic cattle prod)
by Risottia » Thu Jan 31, 2013 6:52 am
Iseran wrote:My country, Belgium, has some of the strictest arms control laws in the world (even pepper spray is illegal) and has seen five mass killings over the last four years, four of which targeted young children and one of which resulted in over 125 casualties.
This country is so dangerous that i have been robbed three times in broad daylight (once at knife point), i have seen a youth gang vandalize a truck with metal pipes while they hurled abuse at the terrified driver, i have witnessed two armed robberies, i have heard of 3 home invasions taking place in my street over the last year and i have been threatened in public on countless occasions, all in what is supposedly a "safe" part of the country.
by Risottia » Thu Jan 31, 2013 6:52 am
Big Jim P wrote:Self defense is a basic human right.
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